Campi with shimano derailleur

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My frame builder ran into a problem while putting together my bike with
FSA 165 cranks and campi chorus derailleur (I think there was a chain
drag or something like that). She is offering to install a shimano
ultegra derailleur with my otherwise campi chorus parts and says that
that will work fine. Some experienced cyclists in my life tell me it's
not a good idea to mix components like that. Your opinions would be
appriciated.

If it's a front derailleur, then yes, it should work fine, because Ergos
don't index in the front..

Rear would require a shiftmate to match the Ergo cable pull with the Shimano
derailleur travel.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, it's the front derailleur. Are you saying
that campi front doesn't index? My old bike with Shimano Ultegra did
index in the front. Do you know anyone who has this combination on
their bike and doesn't experience shifting problems?

Thanks again,
Marina

Quoted message said:

Thanks for your reply. Yes, it's the front derailleur. Are you saying
that campi front doesn't index? My old bike with Shimano Ultegra did
index in the front. Do you know anyone who has this combination on
their bike and doesn't experience shifting problems?

Thanks again,
Marina

Ergos don't index the front, it's a ratchet. And it will work fine.
Phil Brown

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Quoted message said:

Thanks for your reply. Yes, it's the front derailleur. Are you saying
that campi front doesn't index?

I believe those were my exact words, yes. 🙂

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My old bike with Shimano Ultegra did
index in the front.

Indexing is in the shifters, not the derailleurs, and you indicated the
shifters were Chorus, which like all Campys, have a "micro-indexing" front
mechanism, which means 3 or 4 clicks per chainring, and the ability to trim
the derailluer to the chain.

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Do you know anyone who has this combination on
their bike and doesn't experience shifting problems?

Well, my mom, for one. She has Mirage Ergos with a Shimano RSX FD and a
Dotek triple crank. No problems.

Hope that makes sense.

-Hank

rusalka said:

My frame builder ran into a problem while putting together my bike with
FSA 165 cranks and campi chorus derailleur (I think there was a chain
drag or something like that). She is offering to install a shimano
ultegra derailleur with my otherwise campi chorus parts and says that
that will work fine. Some experienced cyclists in my life tell me it's
not a good idea to mix components like that. Your opinions would be
appriciated.

Front derailleur? No problem at all. Though I am not sure what problem
there could be, except the hanger position if it's a braze-on (or weld-on)
hanger.

--

David L. Johnson

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(_)/ (_) | that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am
nothing. [1 Corinth. 13:2]

Quoted message said:

My frame builder ran into a problem while putting together my bike with
FSA 165 cranks and campi chorus derailleur (I think there was a chain
drag or something like that). She is offering to install a shimano
ultegra derailleur with my otherwise campi chorus parts and says that
that will work fine. Some experienced cyclists in my life tell me it's
not a good idea to mix components like that. Your opinions would be
appriciated.

Thank you.

When I bought a Trek 5200, and wanted to put my Campy Record components
on it, the LBS owner suggested that I keep the Shimano Ultegra front
derailleur, saying ot would perform better than the Campy. I've ridden
the bike over 30,000 km, and it has worked just fine.

Colin Campbell said:

When I bought a Trek 5200, and wanted to put my Campy Record components
on it, the LBS owner suggested that I keep the Shimano Ultegra front
derailleur, saying ot would perform better than the Campy. I've ridden
the bike over 30,000 km, and it has worked just fine.

Did the bike shop owner give a reason why the Ultegra front derailleur
"would perform better than the Campy" Record front derailleur? If he
had said it will perform just the same and will have no affect other
than appearance and a couple grams weight, makes sense. But better?

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

When I bought a Trek 5200, and wanted to put my Campy Record components
on it, the LBS owner suggested that I keep the Shimano Ultegra front
derailleur, saying ot would perform better than the Campy. I've ridden
the bike over 30,000 km, and it has worked just fine.

Did the bike shop owner give a reason why the Ultegra front derailleur
"would perform better than the Campy" Record front derailleur? If he
had said it will perform just the same and will have no affect other
than appearance and a couple grams weight, makes sense. But better?

I wish I could remember the reason. I think it had something to do with
the frame having been designed to take Shimano components.

I just took a quick look at my two road bikes. The other is a Simonetti
with Scandium tubing. The Campy Chorus Racing T front derailleur is
attached to the frame with a clamp that circles the seat tube. (I had
the Record components on this bike before I got the Trek; then I put the
original Chorus stuff back on the Simonetti.) The Trek has a bracket on
which the front derailleur is mounted.

Maybe the Trek's seat tube, being carbon fiber, isn't suited to a
clamp? Maybe the Trek bracket isn't compatible with a Campy front
derailleur? Maybe I should go by on my ride today and ask?

Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

When I bought a Trek 5200, and wanted to put my Campy Record components
on it, the LBS owner suggested that I keep the Shimano Ultegra front
derailleur, saying ot would perform better than the Campy. I've ridden
the bike over 30,000 km, and it has worked just fine.

Did the bike shop owner give a reason why the Ultegra front derailleur
"would perform better than the Campy" Record front derailleur? If he
had said it will perform just the same and will have no affect other
than appearance and a couple grams weight, makes sense. But better?

I wish I could remember the reason. I think it had something to do with
the frame having been designed to take Shimano components.

I just took a quick look at my two road bikes. The other is a Simonetti
with Scandium tubing. The Campy Chorus Racing T front derailleur is
attached to the frame with a clamp that circles the seat tube. (I had
the Record components on this bike before I got the Trek; then I put the
original Chorus stuff back on the Simonetti.) The Trek has a bracket on
which the front derailleur is mounted.

Maybe the Trek's seat tube, being carbon fiber, isn't suited to a
clamp? Maybe the Trek bracket isn't compatible with a Campy front
derailleur? Maybe I should go by on my ride today and ask?

Your Trek 5200 takes a braze on front derailleur. If your Record is a
clamp on front derailleur, then it won't fit on the Trek. So it
technically is true that the braze on Ultegra front derailleur would be
better than the clamp on Record front derailleur for your Trek 5200 for
the sole reason that the braze on will fit and the clamp on will not
fit. But if both the Record and Ultegra are braze on, then one working
better than the other is not correct.

Quoted message said:

My frame builder ran into a problem while putting together my bike with
FSA 165 cranks and campi chorus derailleur (I think there was a chain
drag or something like that). She is offering to install a shimano
ultegra derailleur with my otherwise campi chorus parts and says that
that will work fine. Some experienced cyclists in my life tell me it's
not a good idea to mix components like that. Your opinions would be
appriciated.

Check the rating of the changer. Perhaps you have a short
cage where a medium is required?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell wrote:

>When I bought a Trek 5200, and wanted to put my Campy Record components
>on it, the LBS owner suggested that I keep the Shimano Ultegra front
>derailleur, saying ot would perform better than the Campy. I've ridden
>the bike over 30,000 km, and it has worked just fine.
>
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Did the bike shop owner give a reason why the Ultegra front derailleur
"would perform better than the Campy" Record front derailleur? If he
had said it will perform just the same and will have no affect other
than appearance and a couple grams weight, makes sense. But better?

I wish I could remember the reason. I think it had something to do with
the frame having been designed to take Shimano components.

I just took a quick look at my two road bikes. The other is a Simonetti
with Scandium tubing. The Campy Chorus Racing T front derailleur is
attached to the frame with a clamp that circles the seat tube. (I had
the Record components on this bike before I got the Trek; then I put the
original Chorus stuff back on the Simonetti.) The Trek has a bracket on
which the front derailleur is mounted.

Maybe the Trek's seat tube, being carbon fiber, isn't suited to a
clamp? Maybe the Trek bracket isn't compatible with a Campy front
derailleur? Maybe I should go by on my ride today and ask?

Your Trek 5200 takes a braze on front derailleur. If your Record is a
clamp on front derailleur, then it won't fit on the Trek. So it
technically is true that the braze on Ultegra front derailleur would be
better than the clamp on Record front derailleur for your Trek 5200 for
the sole reason that the braze on will fit and the clamp on will not
fit. But if both the Record and Ultegra are braze on, then one working
better than the other is not correct.

Well, I did go by the LBS this afternoon and asked why the Shimano
derailleur was "better" than the Campy triple front derailleur. The
answer was: Because it works (better than the Campy part).

And you're right; I had a clamp on Campy, so I'd have had to order a
braze on. The shop had the Shimano part. So maybe what was "better"
was that they could finish the job without waiting several days for the
Campy part to come in.

If there IS a performance difference, it is probably small. As I said,
I have a Chorus triple on the other bike, and it shifts fine to me.

Quoted message said:

My frame builder ran into a problem while putting together my bike with
FSA 165 cranks and campi chorus derailleur (I think there was a chain
drag or something like that). She is offering to install a shimano
ultegra derailleur with my otherwise campi chorus parts and says that
that will work fine. Some experienced cyclists in my life tell me it's
not a good idea to mix components like that. Your opinions would be
appriciated.

Thank you.

As another poster has indicated, you really should get more info about
what exactly the problem is. Front derailer setup with Ergo is very
forgiving and, if this is a somewhat normal road frame and the chain,
cranks and chorus fd would normally be compatible with one another,
then the most likely problem is something specific to the frame you're
presumably buying.

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Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

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>Colin Campbell wrote:
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>>When I bought a Trek 5200, and wanted to put my Campy Record components
>>on it, the LBS owner suggested that I keep the Shimano Ultegra front
>>derailleur, saying ot would perform better than the Campy. I've ridden
>>the bike over 30,000 km, and it has worked just fine.
>>
>>
>>
>Did the bike shop owner give a reason why the Ultegra front derailleur
>"would perform better than the Campy" Record front derailleur? If he
>had said it will perform just the same and will have no affect other
>than appearance and a couple grams weight, makes sense. But better?
>
>
>
>
I wish I could remember the reason. I think it had something to do with
the frame having been designed to take Shimano components.

I just took a quick look at my two road bikes. The other is a Simonetti
with Scandium tubing. The Campy Chorus Racing T front derailleur is
attached to the frame with a clamp that circles the seat tube. (I had
the Record components on this bike before I got the Trek; then I put the
original Chorus stuff back on the Simonetti.) The Trek has a bracket on
which the front derailleur is mounted.

Maybe the Trek's seat tube, being carbon fiber, isn't suited to a
clamp? Maybe the Trek bracket isn't compatible with a Campy front
derailleur? Maybe I should go by on my ride today and ask?

Your Trek 5200 takes a braze on front derailleur. If your Record is a
clamp on front derailleur, then it won't fit on the Trek. So it
technically is true that the braze on Ultegra front derailleur would be
better than the clamp on Record front derailleur for your Trek 5200 for
the sole reason that the braze on will fit and the clamp on will not
fit. But if both the Record and Ultegra are braze on, then one working
better than the other is not correct.

Well, I did go by the LBS this afternoon and asked why the Shimano
derailleur was "better" than the Campy triple front derailleur. The
answer was: Because it works (better than the Campy part).

And you're right; I had a clamp on Campy, so I'd have had to order a braze
on. The shop had the Shimano part. So maybe what was "better" was that
they could finish the job without waiting several days for the Campy part
to come in.

If there IS a performance difference, it is probably small. As I said, I
have a Chorus triple on the other bike, and it shifts fine to me.

I am an avid Shimano user (Dura Ace) and the one thing that *is* Campy on my
principal bike, is the Record front derailleur. Perhaps my imagination, but
front shifts feel "crisper". (My other bike is now complete Chorus, just for
the fun of it!)

Basjan

Quoted message said:

My frame builder ran into a problem while putting together my bike with
FSA 165 cranks and campi chorus derailleur (I think there was a chain
drag or something like that). She is offering to install a shimano
ultegra derailleur with my otherwise campi chorus parts and says that
that will work fine. Some experienced cyclists in my life tell me it's
not a good idea to mix components like that. Your opinions would be
appriciated.

Thank you.

Campy Ergo levers, which are not indexed, will work almost any front
derailleur. The builder can use the front derailleur that shifts the
chainrings best.

David L. Johnson said:

Front derailleur? No problem at all. Though I am not sure what problem
there could be, except the hanger position if it's a braze-on (or weld-on)
hanger.

On some triple setups, when the chain is long and their is a large
difference between the largest ring and smallest, the chain will drag
on the bottom crossbar of the front derailleur in something like a 24
x 32. It is influenced by the lenght of the front derailleur cage and
the angle it gets when mounted to the downtube.

Quoted message said:

My frame builder ran into a problem while putting together my bike with
FSA 165 cranks and campi chorus derailleur (I think there was a chain
drag or something like that). She is offering to install a shimano
ultegra derailleur with my otherwise campi chorus parts and says that
that will work fine. Some experienced cyclists in my life tell me it's
not a good idea to mix components like that. Your opinions would be
appriciated.

Thank you.

On really short chainstay-ed bicycles, sometimes the FD, Campagnolo,
doesn't work all that well, particularly with triples. Campag is nice
in that any FD will work with left Campagnolo ERGO. If it works better,
use it.

Quoted message said:

Thanks for your reply. Yes, it's the front derailleur. Are you saying
that campi front doesn't index? My old bike with Shimano Ultegra did
index in the front. Do you know anyone who has this combination on
their bike and doesn't experience shifting problems?

Thanks again,
Marina

I have installed more than a few shimano(and even old Suntour, Mavic)
FD with ERGO. It is 'ratcheting friction'.

Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

When I bought a Trek 5200, and wanted to put my Campy Record components
on it, the LBS owner suggested that I keep the Shimano Ultegra front
derailleur, saying ot would perform better than the Campy. I've ridden
the bike over 30,000 km, and it has worked just fine.

Did the bike shop owner give a reason why the Ultegra front derailleur
"would perform better than the Campy" Record front derailleur? If he
had said it will perform just the same and will have no affect other
than appearance and a couple grams weight, makes sense. But better?

I wish I could remember the reason. I think it had something to do with
the frame having been designed to take Shimano components.

What a hoot. I'm gonna guess the guy just didn't have a clue, like most
'wrenches' in the bike biz these days.

Quoted message said:

I just took a quick look at my two road bikes. The other is a Simonetti
with Scandium tubing. The Campy Chorus Racing T front derailleur is
attached to the frame with a clamp that circles the seat tube. (I had
the Record components on this bike before I got the Trek; then I put the
original Chorus stuff back on the Simonetti.) The Trek has a bracket on
which the front derailleur is mounted.

Maybe the Trek's seat tube, being carbon fiber, isn't suited to a
clamp? Maybe the Trek bracket isn't compatible with a Campy front
derailleur? Maybe I should go by on my ride today and ask

Maybe you should. All road bikes are compatible with all road groups
now being made...and even new bikes are compatible with 'old' groups
and vice versa. This isn't brain surgery.

Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

[email hidden] wrote:

>Colin Campbell wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>When I bought a Trek 5200, and wanted to put my Campy Record components
>>on it, the LBS owner suggested that I keep the Shimano Ultegra front
>>derailleur, saying ot would perform better than the Campy. I've ridden
>>the bike over 30,000 km, and it has worked just fine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Did the bike shop owner give a reason why the Ultegra front derailleur
>"would perform better than the Campy" Record front derailleur? If he
>had said it will perform just the same and will have no affect other
>than appearance and a couple grams weight, makes sense. But better?
>
>
>
>
>
I wish I could remember the reason. I think it had something to do with
the frame having been designed to take Shimano components.

I just took a quick look at my two road bikes. The other is a Simonetti
with Scandium tubing. The Campy Chorus Racing T front derailleur is
attached to the frame with a clamp that circles the seat tube. (I had
the Record components on this bike before I got the Trek; then I put the
original Chorus stuff back on the Simonetti.) The Trek has a bracket on
which the front derailleur is mounted.

Maybe the Trek's seat tube, being carbon fiber, isn't suited to a
clamp? Maybe the Trek bracket isn't compatible with a Campy front
derailleur? Maybe I should go by on my ride today and ask?

Your Trek 5200 takes a braze on front derailleur. If your Record is a
clamp on front derailleur, then it won't fit on the Trek. So it
technically is true that the braze on Ultegra front derailleur would be
better than the clamp on Record front derailleur for your Trek 5200 for
the sole reason that the braze on will fit and the clamp on will not
fit. But if both the Record and Ultegra are braze on, then one working
better than the other is not correct.

Well, I did go by the LBS this afternoon and asked why the Shimano
derailleur was "better" than the Campy triple front derailleur. The
answer was: Because it works (better than the Campy part).

I guess in his eyes that having this in his hand makes it better. I
wonder if the guy knows you can take the clamp portion of the
Campagnolo FD off and install a braze-on portion from another FD. I'm
betting he didn't.

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And you're right; I had a clamp on Campy, so I'd have had to order a
braze on. The shop had the Shimano part. So maybe what was "better"
was that they could finish the job without waiting several days for the
Campy part to come in.

If there IS a performance difference, it is probably small. As I said,
I have a Chorus triple on the other bike, and it shifts fine to me.