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  1. The Catskill mountains aren't known for their high altitude, or for their
    accessibility. They're not in fact real mountains in a geological sense, but
    are a very deeply eroded plain carved out by the ice sheets in the most
    recent ice ages. However, nobody hiking in the Catskills would say they're
    not mountains after trekking up and down their steep climbs, which can be
    over a 1/2 mile of vertical in places.

    This Catskill 100 mile route is a tour of the most popular Catskill hiking
    trails, over the many of the most famous of the Catskill mountains. It first
    traverses the southern Slide mountain wilderness area, topping 6 mountains
    over 3500' in the first 28 miles. It then traverses the long east-west
    devil's path, bagging a further 7 3500 footers. After turning north, it
    grabs another 5 3500' peaks, touring the historic mountain houses area, and
    ending with the beautiful escarpment trail.

    The trek begins on peekamoose road west of ashokan reservoir. The first part
    of the trail takes you up a steady climb of 2600 vertical feet in 3.3 miles
    to the summit of peekamoose mountain (3843'😉, and in this you'll get a
    flavor of what the trail will be like the entire distance: very rough and
    very steep at times. Turning west, you'll soon top Table mountain (3847'😉
    before descending into a valley, crossing the east branch of the Neversink
    river before mounting a long steady climb up the shoulder of the Catskill's
    highest peak, Slide mountain (4180'😉. After descending the steep slide,
    you'll soon top Cornell (3860'😉 and Wittenburg (3780'😉, which has the best
    views of all the southern Catskill peaks. Descending into the woodland
    valley campground, you have your first car support before ascending up to
    Giant Ledge, and Panther mountain (3720'😉. This section ends as you cross
    route 28 on 3.5 miles of roads before plunging into the wilderness again.

    In order to join the devil's path, you'll have to go off-trail for about 4
    miles after ascending peck hollow road. Here's where that map and compass
    come in handy, even though the route is easy by backcountry standards:
    simply ascend peck hollow creek onto the shoulder of North Dome mountain
    (3610'😉, and then after summiting, turn magnetic east, descending to join
    the devil's path. Extra credit is earned if you also bag Mount Sherrill
    (3540'😉 to the west of North Dome. (This will add about 2.5 additional
    "off-trail" slow miles, depending what route you take, but it isn't part of
    the 100 mile route).

    Off-trail in the Catskills is very rugged, and you'll no doubt be very glad
    to be on a trail again, though the Devil's Path is no picnic. Mounting West
    Kill ridge, you'll eventually top West Kill mountain (3880'😉, then descend
    into diamond notch. And this is what you'll now be doing all day - ascending
    mountain tops, and descending steeply into deep ravines. Ascending the col
    between Southwest Hunter and Hunter mountains, you can get 2 more extra
    credit miles if you choose to bag Southwest Hunter (3740'😉, but you'll
    probably get lost in the dwarf spruce trees, so don't try. A bit further on,
    you must take the side trail up to the top of Hunter mountain (4040'😉, as
    this is part of the 100 mile route. Rejoining the devil's path, further
    descending/ascending follows over Plateau mountain (3840'😉, Sugarloaf
    mountain (3800'😉, Twin mountain (3640'😉, and Indian Head mountain (3573'😉.

    After about 60 miles, by now you'll be ready to make a deal with the devil,
    but, take heart, you're headed for what is arguably the most beautiful part
    of the Catskills: the falls and North/South Lake area. First you'll cross
    platte clove road on the long path, and then climb steadily up to the
    shoulder of Kaaterskill High Peak (3655'😉, which you must climb via another
    off-trail adventure, though this one is much easier than North Dome.
    Unmarked trails lead north off the summit and after you find the long path
    again, you'll cross above a few very scenic waterfalls before descending to
    cross route 23a.

    After ascending the harding road trail, you'll turn left onto the escarpment
    trail until you reach the short unmarked side trail to the kaaterskill falls
    overlook (required). Next take a short detour on the red trail north to
    rejoin the escarpment trail, which will bring you to the Catskill mountain
    house overlook and then to North lake, which is at about 78 miles.

    From here you'll begin the final long trek northwest, first ascending to the
    magnificent views of North Point before topping North mountain (3180'😉 and
    Stoppel Point (3420'😉. After descending into dutcher notch, you'll climb
    long and steep to Blackhead Mountain (3940'😉. Now, while the escarpment
    trail heads north, you must first bag Black Dome mountain (3980'😉 and then
    Thomas Cole mountain (3940'😉 to the west. Without this detour (and that of
    Hunter and Kaaterskill), the route wouldn't be 100 miles, and also most
    people hiking the escarpment trail don't want to detour to bag these two, so
    we must insist upon it. Reversing course back to Blackhead, you then descend
    steeply to the north now back on the escarpment trail, which bobs and weaves
    it's way around to and up Windham high peak (3524'😉, passing some marvelous
    views along the way. Down from Windham is a cruise and you'll soon be ready
    for a long rest.

    The total mileage is between 100 and 101 miles, depending on your off-trail
    skills. (If you get lost it could be considerably more). If you do the extra
    credit, you'll be at about 105 miles, but you could also have detoured south
    to Overlook mountain (3140'😉 before leaving the devil's path, and that would
    add a further 8.2 miles. The total climb is somewhere between 30,000 and
    40,000 feet, closer to the latter with the extra credit miles of course.
    Congratulations, you've just bagged 18 of the Catskill 3500' peaks (2 more
    with the extra credit), and the most rugged trails the Catskills have to
    offer.

    Required:

    Maps & compass, hydration bladder and water filter, first aid kit, long
    pants, long sleeve top, raingear, 2 kinds of fire starter, food, bivy sack,
    camera

    Overview map of southern section:
    http://i1.tinypic.com/nzlp29.jpg
    Overview Map of middle and northern sections:
    http://i1.tinypic.com/nzlpia.jpg
    For maps required to carry:
    http://www.nynjtc.org/

    Goals: "fast pack" it in '06, "run" it in '07, then consider attempting to
    make a race out of it. Anyone else interested let me know.

    -Tony

  2. why would you post this here at rec.running and not where it belongs
    over at alt.rec.hiking, or rec.sport.orienteering, or rec.backcountry?
    just asking...

  3. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    why would you post this here at rec.running and not where it belongs
    over at alt.rec.hiking, or rec.sport.orienteering, or rec.backcountry?
    just asking...

    Just to perplex you. But the longer answer is that it's a feat worth
    accomplishing in a single push as a runner, and would make a great, very
    challenging 100 mile foot race.

    -Tony

  4. Tony S. said:

    The Catskill mountains aren't known for their high altitude, or for their
    accessibility. They're not in fact real mountains in a geological sense, but
    are a very deeply eroded plain carved out by the ice sheets in the most
    recent ice ages. However, nobody hiking in the Catskills would say they're
    not mountains after trekking up and down their steep climbs, which can be
    over a 1/2 mile of vertical in places.

    This Catskill 100 mile route is a tour of the most popular Catskill hiking
    trails, over the many of the most famous of the Catskill mountains. It first
    traverses the southern Slide mountain wilderness area, topping 6 mountains
    over 3500' in the first 28 miles. It then traverses the long east-west
    devil's path, bagging a further 7 3500 footers. After turning north, it
    grabs another 5 3500' peaks, touring the historic mountain houses area, and
    ending with the beautiful escarpment trail.

    The trek begins on peekamoose road west of ashokan reservoir. The first part
    of the trail takes you up a steady climb of 2600 vertical feet in 3.3 miles
    to the summit of peekamoose mountain (3843'😉, and in this you'll get a
    flavor of what the trail will be like the entire distance: very rough and
    very steep at times. Turning west, you'll soon top Table mountain (3847'😉
    before descending into a valley, crossing the east branch of the Neversink
    river before mounting a long steady climb up the shoulder of the Catskill's
    highest peak, Slide mountain (4180'😉. After descending the steep slide,
    you'll soon top Cornell (3860'😉 and Wittenburg (3780'😉, which has the best
    views of all the southern Catskill peaks. Descending into the woodland
    valley campground, you have your first car support before ascending up to
    Giant Ledge, and Panther mountain (3720'😉. This section ends as you cross
    route 28 on 3.5 miles of roads before plunging into the wilderness again.

    In order to join the devil's path, you'll have to go off-trail for about 4
    miles after ascending peck hollow road. Here's where that map and compass
    come in handy, even though the route is easy by backcountry standards:
    simply ascend peck hollow creek onto the shoulder of North Dome mountain
    (3610'😉, and then after summiting, turn magnetic east, descending to join
    the devil's path. Extra credit is earned if you also bag Mount Sherrill
    (3540'😉 to the west of North Dome. (This will add about 2.5 additional
    "off-trail" slow miles, depending what route you take, but it isn't part of
    the 100 mile route).

    Off-trail in the Catskills is very rugged, and you'll no doubt be very glad
    to be on a trail again, though the Devil's Path is no picnic. Mounting West
    Kill ridge, you'll eventually top West Kill mountain (3880'😉, then descend
    into diamond notch. And this is what you'll now be doing all day - ascending
    mountain tops, and descending steeply into deep ravines. Ascending the col
    between Southwest Hunter and Hunter mountains, you can get 2 more extra
    credit miles if you choose to bag Southwest Hunter (3740'😉, but you'll
    probably get lost in the dwarf spruce trees, so don't try. A bit further on,
    you must take the side trail up to the top of Hunter mountain (4040'😉, as
    this is part of the 100 mile route. Rejoining the devil's path, further
    descending/ascending follows over Plateau mountain (3840'😉, Sugarloaf
    mountain (3800'😉, Twin mountain (3640'😉, and Indian Head mountain (3573'😉.

    After about 60 miles, by now you'll be ready to make a deal with the devil,
    but, take heart, you're headed for what is arguably the most beautiful part
    of the Catskills: the falls and North/South Lake area. First you'll cross
    platte clove road on the long path, and then climb steadily up to the
    shoulder of Kaaterskill High Peak (3655'😉, which you must climb via another
    off-trail adventure, though this one is much easier than North Dome.
    Unmarked trails lead north off the summit and after you find the long path
    again, you'll cross above a few very scenic waterfalls before descending to
    cross route 23a.

    After ascending the harding road trail, you'll turn left onto the escarpment
    trail until you reach the short unmarked side trail to the kaaterskill falls
    overlook (required). Next take a short detour on the red trail north to
    rejoin the escarpment trail, which will bring you to the Catskill mountain
    house overlook and then to North lake, which is at about 78 miles.

    From here you'll begin the final long trek northwest, first ascending to the
    magnificent views of North Point before topping North mountain (3180'😉 and
    Stoppel Point (3420'😉. After descending into dutcher notch, you'll climb
    long and steep to Blackhead Mountain (3940'😉. Now, while the escarpment
    trail heads north, you must first bag Black Dome mountain (3980'😉 and then
    Thomas Cole mountain (3940'😉 to the west. Without this detour (and that of
    Hunter and Kaaterskill), the route wouldn't be 100 miles, and also most
    people hiking the escarpment trail don't want to detour to bag these two, so
    we must insist upon it. Reversing course back to Blackhead, you then descend
    steeply to the north now back on the escarpment trail, which bobs and weaves
    it's way around to and up Windham high peak (3524'😉, passing some marvelous
    views along the way. Down from Windham is a cruise and you'll soon be ready
    for a long rest.

    The total mileage is between 100 and 101 miles, depending on your off-trail
    skills. (If you get lost it could be considerably more). If you do the extra
    credit, you'll be at about 105 miles, but you could also have detoured south
    to Overlook mountain (3140'😉 before leaving the devil's path, and that would
    add a further 8.2 miles. The total climb is somewhere between 30,000 and
    40,000 feet, closer to the latter with the extra credit miles of course.
    Congratulations, you've just bagged 18 of the Catskill 3500' peaks (2 more
    with the extra credit), and the most rugged trails the Catskills have to
    offer.

    Required:

    Maps & compass, hydration bladder and water filter, first aid kit, long
    pants, long sleeve top, raingear, 2 kinds of fire starter, food, bivy sack,
    camera

    Overview map of southern section:
    http://i1.tinypic.com/nzlp29.jpg
    Overview Map of middle and northern sections:
    http://i1.tinypic.com/nzlpia.jpg
    For maps required to carry:
    http://www.nynjtc.org/

    Goals: "fast pack" it in '06, "run" it in '07, then consider attempting to
    make a race out of it. Anyone else interested let me know.

    -Tony

    If I run it, I'll kick all your asses.

  5. Quoted message said:

    why would you post this here at rec.running

    Because the people doing it will be running part of the way ?

  6. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    why would you post this here at rec.running and not where it belongs
    over at alt.rec.hiking, or rec.sport.orienteering, or
    rec.backcountry?
    just asking...

    For the same reason all your posts are not in alt.lance.runner.wannabe

    -DF

  7. Quoted message said:

    a single push as a runner, and would make a great, very


    challenging 100 mile foot race.
    ___

    what's the purpose of the "2 kinds of fire starter"? and the "bivy
    sack"....well that's a sleeping bag.
    tony, you're wrong my friend. . the western states 100 is a "single
    push as a runner". you tony insult the WS100 and all the other 100
    mile races by suggesting your camping trip complete with sleeping bags
    is a "single push as a runner". for crissakes you're sleeping &
    roasting marhmellows or whatever the hell you're doing with your fire
    starter. you're a camper tony, not a "single push 100 mile distance
    runner". good grief.....long pants?...& a camera?....tony..have fun on
    this vacaation you're taking...

  8. "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Goals: "fast pack" it in '06, "run" it in '07, then consider
    attempting to
    make a race out of it. Anyone else interested let me know.

    I have run/hiked every inch of this route but never in one continuous
    attempt. This is one mother of trek. How many days and/or how many miles
    per day? When? Some or all of this sounds interesting but I'd have to
    see how it fits into my race/training schedule?

    I got an idea, let's bring Lance along and have him show us his trail
    prowess. 🙂

    -Doug

  9. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a single push as a runner, and would make a great, very


    challenging 100 mile foot race.
    ___

    what's the purpose of the "2 kinds of fire starter"? and the "bivy
    sack"....well that's a sleeping bag.
    tony, you're wrong my friend. . the western states 100 is a "single
    push as a runner". you tony insult the WS100 and all the other 100
    mile races by suggesting your camping trip complete with sleeping bags
    is a "single push as a runner". for crissakes you're sleeping &
    roasting marhmellows or whatever the hell you're doing with your fire
    starter. you're a camper tony, not a "single push 100 mile distance
    runner". good grief.....long pants?...& a camera?....tony..have fun on
    this vacaation you're taking...

    Yup it will be a backpacking trip the first time, using fast-packing gear,
    not the heavy stuff. Western States is obviously a great race, though I've
    never been there and done that. If and until (and those are big ifs) this
    would become a proper race, survival gear is necessary, and no, a bivy sack
    is not a sleeping bag. Anyone who knows the mountains, knows that it can be
    hypothermic even in summer time. Heck in the Daks and Whites it can even
    snow in summer. Only a fool would be out all night without clothes enough to
    cover himself in the event of an emergency, and hence the fire starters.
    While this is no Barkely, I'd venture to say it's easily much harder than
    western states.

    -Tony

  10. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:KlGJf.374$KZ1.290@trndny09...

    Quoted message said:

    Goals: "fast pack" it in '06, "run" it in '07, then consider
    attempting to
    make a race out of it. Anyone else interested let me know.

    I have run/hiked every inch of this route but never in one continuous
    attempt. This is one mother of trek. How many days and/or how many miles
    per day? When? Some or all of this sounds interesting but I'd have to
    see how it fits into my race/training schedule?

    Exactly, I've hiked 80% of it, and have run about 40% of it. I never did
    North Dome or West Kill, or the bushwack over there that links it up with
    the road up to the Panther trail, and I never did the long path section that
    links the devil's path with the escarpment trail.

    I'm thinking right now about sometime in the summer, maybe mid-august. Miles
    per day is a tough call; right now I'm thinking of shooting for 3 days. I'll
    keep you posted.

    Quoted message said:

    I got an idea, let's bring Lance along and have him show us his trail
    prowess. 🙂

    He would be bummed at the slow pace, so it would only be fair for him to
    carry most of the gear to even things out 😉

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    -Doug

  11. The last couple of years I did a few trail races in the area. Now
    I'm kicking myself for not taking my camera with me. The races
    are a dim memory and some will never be repeated.
    Very important. Must bring camera.
    ....thehick

  12. "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:TKMJf.1300$p02.408@trndny08...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I got an idea, let's bring Lance along and have him show us his trail
    prowess. 🙂

    He would be bummed at the slow pace, so it would only be fair for him
    to
    carry most of the gear to even things out 😉

    Good point. I figure about one day out he croaks and we shallow burry
    him with his butt up so the bikers can use him to rack their bikes.

    He hasn't been crowing about the Escarpment race. Hmmmm, ya think
    maybe, more smoke than fire? Never mind, we know he will never leave the
    dust/pebble free roads.

    -DF

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