Feeling ill from Induction

You didn't say how long you've been on induction. If just a few days, then
just hang in there. If you have done your two weeks, start adding carbs.

"Phoenix" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is
another Rick here already.
I been on strict Induction,less than 20 carbs/day,only possible
'cheat' is im allowing myself 2- 12 oz cans of Diet Rite per day.
Just like the first time, ive been feeling kinda ill. Lightheaded,
runny nose, nauseous,lower energy,hungry for carbs. I also feel a
burning sensation in my belly area.
Im sticking with the program,but is this common? Ive been drinking at
least 64 oz of water per day to help.
I wonder if I have a an overabundance of yeast in my body,like Atkins
described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most
cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc.

Phoenix said:

Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is
another Rick here already.
I been on strict Induction,less than 20 carbs/day,only possible
'cheat' is im allowing myself 2- 12 oz cans of Diet Rite per day

Why would you consider that a possible cheat? Diet Rite uses Splenda,
which is allowed. I also seem to remember that you said you had been
on induction for about a week, but then went off on some binge and had
also been eating frozen ice cream with sugar alcohols, no? That is
something to worry about. By doing that, you may be extending out the
time period of your body adjusting, which is usually a few days to a
week.

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Just like the first time, ive been feeling kinda ill. Lightheaded,
runny nose, nauseous,lower energy,hungry for carbs. I also feel a
burning sensation in my belly area.

Some people do have the lightheaded, lower energy symptoms for a few
days as their body adjusts. The craving for carbs is normal, however
you prolonged this by interrupting induction after about a week so it
may be extended. The nausea is not common, but I have seen others
report it. The burning sensation could be indigestion do to the
sudden change in diet. The runny nose is definitely not something I've
ever heard occuring, sounds like you may have a cold, which could
account for some of the symptoms. Did you take your temp?

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Im sticking with the program,but is this common? Ive been drinking at
least 64 oz of water per day to help.

I wouldn't over do the water either. If you're getting 64 oz total
fluids a day, that is fine.

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I wonder if I have a an overabundance of yeast in my body,like Atkins
described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most
cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc.

It's possible, but I wouldn't get worried just yet. You said this is
the second time this is happening? How long did the symptoms last the
first time? How long did you stay on LC and how far did you get? It
would also help if you posted a few days worth of sample menus so we
know exactly what you are eating.

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Just like the first time, ive been feeling kinda ill. >Lightheaded, runny
nose, nauseous,lower >energy,hungry for carbs. I also feel a
burning sensation in my belly area.

Hey Rick,
This is the other Rick....Hang in there. This was my third time back to LC
and it was rough for me for about a week. The runny nose is something else
however...hope you didn't catch a cold.

Rick

Butch up.

Have you read the FAQ?

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Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is
another Rick here already.
I been on strict Induction,less than 20 carbs/day,only possible
'cheat' is im allowing myself 2- 12 oz cans of Diet Rite per day.
Just like the first time, ive been feeling kinda ill. Lightheaded,
runny nose, nauseous,lower energy,hungry for carbs. I also feel a
burning sensation in my belly area.
Im sticking with the program,but is this common? Ive been drinking at
least 64 oz of water per day to help.
I wonder if I have a an overabundance of yeast in my body,like Atkins
described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most
cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc.

ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose
wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im sticking
with it.

Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today

Breakfast-
Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
2 fried eggs

Lunch-
Two drumsticks baked chicken
2 Slices of cheese
5 pork rinds
Diet Rite

Snack-Slice of cheese

Dinner-
Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
3 radishes

Snack-
2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream

Rick said:

ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose
wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im sticking
with it.

Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today

Breakfast-
Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
2 fried eggs

Lunch-
Two drumsticks baked chicken
2 Slices of cheese
5 pork rinds
Diet Rite

Snack-Slice of cheese

Dinner-
Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
3 radishes

Snack-
2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream

I seem to recall in your other recent thread where we wound up in a big
discussion about the fact that you were well under your induction limit
of salad and/or vegetables. I'm of the opinion that what you are
doing is consistent with induction, as Atkins set limits, not minimums.
If it works for you and you're fine doing it, I think it's OK for
induction. However, since you are not feeling well, particularly lack
of energy, light headed, if it were me, I'd get the carbs up closer to
the 20g limit by adding some salad/vegs. Don't you like salad/vegs?
There are lots of things you can make that are not traditional veg
dishes, but are quite good, like mock mash potatoes made with
cauliflower, for example, which could go nicely with the hamburger
patty.

Also, the quantity of food there is definitely on the low side.
Again, I think it can be alright for some days in induction, but if
this is typical and you are not feeling well, I'd be trying to get the
quantity up. You are taking a good vitamin supplement too, right?

Phoenix wrote:
<snip>
Withdrawal symptoms. Tough it out, before long some of that carby stuff
will make you ill at just the thought of it.

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Quoted message said:

Hey, this the newbie who used to post as Rick, i noticed there is
another Rick here already.
I been on strict Induction,less than 20 carbs/day,only possible
'cheat' is im allowing myself 2- 12 oz cans of Diet Rite per day.
Just like the first time, ive been feeling kinda ill. Lightheaded,
runny nose, nauseous,lower energy,hungry for carbs. I also feel a
burning sensation in my belly area.
Im sticking with the program,but is this common? Ive been drinking at
least 64 oz of water per day to help.
I wonder if I have a an overabundance of yeast in my body,like Atkins
described in the book. I hope not,im not ready to give up most
cheeses,soy sauce,worcestshire sauce,hot sauce,sour cream etc.

You eating veggies? Atkins has got a list of allowed veggies and they'll
have the nutrients and potassium you need. Eat a serving at lunch and
dinner.

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ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose
wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im sticking
with it.

Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today

Breakfast-
Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
2 fried eggs

Lunch-
Two drumsticks baked chicken
2 Slices of cheese
5 pork rinds
Diet Rite

Snack-Slice of cheese

Dinner-
Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
3 radishes

Snack-
2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream

Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium.

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Quoted message said:

ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose
wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im sticking
with it.

Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today

Breakfast-
Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
2 fried eggs

Lunch-
Two drumsticks baked chicken
2 Slices of cheese
5 pork rinds
Diet Rite

Snack-Slice of cheese

Dinner-
Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
3 radishes

Snack-
2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream

Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium.

Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is nitrate/nitrite free. If
it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating meats with
those carcinogens.

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Quoted message said:

ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose
wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im sticking
with it.

Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today

Breakfast-
Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
2 fried eggs

Lunch-
Two drumsticks baked chicken
2 Slices of cheese
5 pork rinds
Diet Rite

Snack-Slice of cheese

Dinner-
Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
3 radishes

Snack-
2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream

Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium.

Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is nitrate/nitrite free. If
it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating meats with
those carcinogens.

While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly linked
to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this isn't critical
to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of things that many of us
consume that have been linked to cancer in one way or another by some
study, including saturated fat itself. I think most of us here are
eating products like bacon that contain nitrites. While I would agree
limiting them is likely a good thing, I wouldn't make things even
harder for a guy having trouble on induction.

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>
>
> ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose
> wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
> The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im
> sticking
> with it.
>
> Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today
>
> Breakfast-
> Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
> 2 fried eggs
>
>
>
> Lunch-
> Two drumsticks baked chicken
> 2 Slices of cheese
> 5 pork rinds
> Diet Rite
>
> Snack-Slice of cheese
>
> Dinner-
> Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
> w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
> Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
> 3 radishes
>
> Snack-
> 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream
>

Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium.

Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is nitrate/nitrite free.
If
it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating meats with
those carcinogens.

While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly linked
to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this isn't critical
to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of things that many of us
consume that have been linked to cancer in one way or another by some
study, including saturated fat itself. I think most of us here are
eating products like bacon that contain nitrites. While I would agree
limiting them is likely a good thing, I wouldn't make things even
harder for a guy having trouble on induction.

Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat. Just be
careful because it spoils faster.

Joe the Aroma said:

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>>
>>ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose
>>wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
>>The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im
>>sticking
>>with it.
>>
>>Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today
>>
>>Breakfast-
>>Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
>>2 fried eggs
>>
>>
>>
>>Lunch-
>>Two drumsticks baked chicken
>>2 Slices of cheese
>>5 pork rinds
>>Diet Rite
>>
>>Snack-Slice of cheese
>>
>>Dinner-
>>Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
>>w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
>>Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
>>3 radishes
>>
>>Snack-
>>2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream
>>
>
>Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium.

Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is nitrate/nitrite free.
If
it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating meats with
those carcinogens.

While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly linked
to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this isn't critical
to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of things that many of us
consume that have been linked to cancer in one way or another by some
study, including saturated fat itself. I think most of us here are
eating products like bacon that contain nitrites. While I would agree
limiting them is likely a good thing, I wouldn't make things even
harder for a guy having trouble on induction.

Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat. Just be
careful because it spoils faster.

Sounds like you could be continuing to make life less easy for a guy on
induction.

--
1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
3) Don't Diet Without Supplimental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
book
4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

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:::::: ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny
:::::: nose wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
:::::: The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im
:::::: sticking
:::::: with it.
::::::
:::::: Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today
::::::
:::::: Breakfast-
:::::: Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
:::::: 2 fried eggs
::::::
::::::
::::::
:::::: Lunch-
:::::: Two drumsticks baked chicken
:::::: 2 Slices of cheese
:::::: 5 pork rinds
:::::: Diet Rite
::::::
:::::: Snack-Slice of cheese
::::::
:::::: Dinner-
:::::: Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
:::::: w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
:::::: Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
:::::: 3 radishes
::::::
:::::: Snack-
:::::: 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream
::::::
:::::
::::: Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium.
::::
:::: Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is
:::: nitrate/nitrite free. If
:::: it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating meats
:::: with those carcinogens.
:::
:::
::: While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly
::: linked to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this
::: isn't critical to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of
::: things that many of us consume that have been linked to cancer in
::: one way or another by some study, including saturated fat itself.
::: I think most of us here are eating products like bacon that contain
::: nitrites. While I would agree limiting them is likely a good
::: thing, I wouldn't make things even harder for a guy having trouble
::: on induction.
::
:: Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat. Just be
:: careful because it spoils faster.

One can make sausage at home. Save expensive organic foods. Also, life's
too damn short to worry about all this stuff that "may" cause problems.
May, may, may, may, may, may......probably the most used word in the medical
research literature.

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>>>
>>>ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny nose
>>>wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
>>>The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im
>>>sticking
>>>with it.
>>>
>>>Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today
>>>
>>>Breakfast-
>>>Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
>>>2 fried eggs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Lunch-
>>>Two drumsticks baked chicken
>>>2 Slices of cheese
>>>5 pork rinds
>>>Diet Rite
>>>
>>>Snack-Slice of cheese
>>>
>>>Dinner-
>>>Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
>>>w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
>>>Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
>>>3 radishes
>>>
>>>Snack-
>>>2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream
>>>
>>
>>Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium.
>
>Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is nitrate/nitrite
>free. If
>it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating meats with
>those carcinogens.

While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly linked
to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this isn't critical
to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of things that many of us
consume that have been linked to cancer in one way or another by some
study, including saturated fat itself. I think most of us here are
eating products like bacon that contain nitrites. While I would agree
limiting them is likely a good thing, I wouldn't make things even
harder for a guy having trouble on induction.

Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat. Just be
careful because it spoils faster.

Sounds like you could be continuing to make life less easy for a guy on
induction.

For me, the peace of mind I get knowing that I'm minimizing my risk makes
life easier.

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:::::::: ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny
:::::::: nose wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
:::::::: The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im
:::::::: sticking
:::::::: with it.
::::::::
:::::::: Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today
::::::::
:::::::: Breakfast-
:::::::: Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
:::::::: 2 fried eggs
::::::::
::::::::
::::::::
:::::::: Lunch-
:::::::: Two drumsticks baked chicken
:::::::: 2 Slices of cheese
:::::::: 5 pork rinds
:::::::: Diet Rite
::::::::
:::::::: Snack-Slice of cheese
::::::::
:::::::: Dinner-
:::::::: Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
:::::::: w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
:::::::: Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
:::::::: 3 radishes
::::::::
:::::::: Snack-
:::::::: 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream
::::::::
:::::::
::::::: Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium.
::::::
:::::: Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is
:::::: nitrate/nitrite free. If
:::::: it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating
:::::: meats with those carcinogens.
:::::
:::::
::::: While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly
::::: linked to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this
::::: isn't critical to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of
::::: things that many of us consume that have been linked to cancer in
::::: one way or another by some study, including saturated fat itself.
::::: I think most of us here are eating products like bacon that
::::: contain nitrites. While I would agree limiting them is likely a
::::: good thing, I wouldn't make things even harder for a guy having
::::: trouble on induction.
::::
::::
:::: Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat. Just
:::: be careful because it spoils faster.
::::
::::
::: Sounds like you could be continuing to make life less easy for a
::: guy on induction.
::
:: For me, the peace of mind I get knowing that I'm minimizing my risk
:: makes life easier.

You 'may' be minimizing your risk. Or you may not be. Don't be lulled
into thinking that 'may' means 'is' or 'will' or 'does'. That's the problem
with modern-day medical research...it seems that little is certain.

Roger Zoul said:

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:::::::: ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the runny
:::::::: nose wasnt there the first time, so it might be a cold.
:::::::: The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time im
:::::::: sticking
:::::::: with it.
::::::::
:::::::: Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today
::::::::
:::::::: Breakfast-
:::::::: Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
:::::::: 2 fried eggs
::::::::
::::::::
::::::::
:::::::: Lunch-
:::::::: Two drumsticks baked chicken
:::::::: 2 Slices of cheese
:::::::: 5 pork rinds
:::::::: Diet Rite
::::::::
:::::::: Snack-Slice of cheese
::::::::
:::::::: Dinner-
:::::::: Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
:::::::: w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
:::::::: Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
:::::::: 3 radishes
::::::::
:::::::: Snack-
:::::::: 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream
::::::::
:::::::
::::::: Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in potassium.
::::::
:::::: Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is
:::::: nitrate/nitrite free. If
:::::: it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating
:::::: meats with those carcinogens.
:::::
:::::
::::: While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly
::::: linked to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this
::::: isn't critical to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of
::::: things that many of us consume that have been linked to cancer in
::::: one way or another by some study, including saturated fat itself.
::::: I think most of us here are eating products like bacon that
::::: contain nitrites. While I would agree limiting them is likely a
::::: good thing, I wouldn't make things even harder for a guy having
::::: trouble on induction.
::::
::::
:::: Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat. Just
:::: be careful because it spoils faster.
::::
::::
::: Sounds like you could be continuing to make life less easy for a
::: guy on induction.
::
:: For me, the peace of mind I get knowing that I'm minimizing my risk
:: makes life easier.

You 'may' be minimizing your risk. Or you may not be. Don't be lulled
into thinking that 'may' means 'is' or 'will' or 'does'. That's the problem
with modern-day medical research...it seems that little is certain.

Exactly. Like the women in the recent NIH study who spent 8 years
eating less fat, taking hormone replacement therapy and calcium
supplements because they "knew" they were minimizing their risk of CHD,
cancer, and osteoporosis. Turns out they achieved none of that. But
the calcium did lead to 15% more kidney stones. Or how about those
that spent decades eating margarine instead of butter because they knew
they were minimizing their risk? Turns out most now recognize that
the trans fat in the margarine was far worse than the sat fat in the
butter. And it didn't even taste nearly as good!

I'm not saying I would eat nitrites with abandon. But having some in
moderation may not necessarily lead to anything bad either or be great
cause for concern for someone just trying to get through induction.

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::::::::::: ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the
::::::::::: runny nose wasnt there the first time, so it might be a
::::::::::: cold.
::::::::::: The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time
::::::::::: im sticking
::::::::::: with it.
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Breakfast-
::::::::::: Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
::::::::::: 2 fried eggs
:::::::::::
:::::::::::
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Lunch-
::::::::::: Two drumsticks baked chicken
::::::::::: 2 Slices of cheese
::::::::::: 5 pork rinds
::::::::::: Diet Rite
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Snack-Slice of cheese
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Dinner-
::::::::::: Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
::::::::::: w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
::::::::::: Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
::::::::::: 3 radishes
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Snack-
::::::::::: 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream
:::::::::::
::::::::::
:::::::::: Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in
:::::::::: potassium.
:::::::::
::::::::: Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is
::::::::: nitrate/nitrite free. If
::::::::: it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating
::::::::: meats with those carcinogens.
::::::::
::::::::
:::::::: While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly
:::::::: linked to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this
:::::::: isn't critical to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of
:::::::: things that many of us consume that have been linked to cancer
:::::::: in one way or another by some study, including saturated fat
:::::::: itself. I think most of us here are eating products like bacon
:::::::: that contain nitrites. While I would agree limiting them is
:::::::: likely a good thing, I wouldn't make things even harder for a
:::::::: guy having trouble on induction.
:::::::
:::::::
::::::: Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat.
::::::: Just be careful because it spoils faster.
:::::::
:::::::
:::::: Sounds like you could be continuing to make life less easy for a
:::::: guy on induction.
:::::
::::: For me, the peace of mind I get knowing that I'm minimizing my
::::: risk makes life easier.
:::
::: You 'may' be minimizing your risk. Or you may not be. Don't be
::: lulled into thinking that 'may' means 'is' or 'will' or 'does'.
::: That's the problem with modern-day medical research...it seems that
::: little is certain.
::
::
:: Exactly. Like the women in the recent NIH study who spent 8 years
:: eating less fat, taking hormone replacement therapy and calcium
:: supplements because they "knew" they were minimizing their risk of
:: CHD, cancer, and osteoporosis. Turns out they achieved none of
:: that. But the calcium did lead to 15% more kidney stones. Or how
:: about those that spent decades eating margarine instead of butter
:: because they knew they were minimizing their risk? Turns out most
:: now recognize that the trans fat in the margarine was far worse than
:: the sat fat in the butter. And it didn't even taste nearly as good!
::
:: I'm not saying I would eat nitrites with abandon. But having some in
:: moderation may not necessarily lead to anything bad either or be
:: great cause for concern for someone just trying to get through
:: induction.

Exactly. We all do like to at least feel as though we're doing the best we
know how. That's human, I think. It's just that it's really, really hard to
know what's really best. I eat food with nitrites/nitrates....not like
crazy, but on occasion. I can't say that they make me feel bad and I seem
to maintain my weight with them and rarely overeat foods that have them. I
admit that making my own sausage sounds good, though, but only because of
this "back of my mind" fear that placed there because someone wrote "may" in
an article. Human nature kicks ass (both good and bad).

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::::::::::
:::::::::::
::::::::::: ive been on Induction for about 3 days. Youre right, the
::::::::::: runny nose wasnt there the first time, so it might be a
::::::::::: cold.
::::::::::: The first Induction lasted about a week, lol, but this time
::::::::::: im sticking
::::::::::: with it.
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Sample menus...ok, heres what i ate today
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Breakfast-
::::::::::: Pattie of Bob Evans Sausage(about 1/6 of roll)
::::::::::: 2 fried eggs
:::::::::::
:::::::::::
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Lunch-
::::::::::: Two drumsticks baked chicken
::::::::::: 2 Slices of cheese
::::::::::: 5 pork rinds
::::::::::: Diet Rite
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Snack-Slice of cheese
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Dinner-
::::::::::: Large hamburger patty (1/3 lb)
::::::::::: w/tomato and onion slice,lettuce
::::::::::: Tbs mustard mixed with a dab of ketchup
::::::::::: 3 radishes
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Snack-
::::::::::: 2 stalks celery, 1 Tbs sour cream
:::::::::::
::::::::::
:::::::::: Add some more veggies for lunch. You might be low in
:::::::::: potassium.
:::::::::
::::::::: Incidentally, I hope that sausage you are eating is
::::::::: nitrate/nitrite free. If
::::::::: it's not you are not "doing Atkins". He warns against eating
::::::::: meats with those carcinogens.
::::::::
::::::::
:::::::: While I do believe Atkins warned about nitrites being possibly
:::::::: linked to cancer and recommended avoiding them, certainly this
:::::::: isn't critical to the whole Atkins process. There are lots of
:::::::: things that many of us consume that have been linked to cancer
:::::::: in one way or another by some study, including saturated fat
:::::::: itself. I think most of us here are eating products like bacon
:::::::: that contain nitrites. While I would agree limiting them is
:::::::: likely a good thing, I wouldn't make things even harder for a
:::::::: guy having trouble on induction.
:::::::
:::::::
::::::: Organic food stores have nitrite/nitrate free processed meat.
::::::: Just be careful because it spoils faster.
:::::::
:::::::
:::::: Sounds like you could be continuing to make life less easy for a
:::::: guy on induction.
:::::
::::: For me, the peace of mind I get knowing that I'm minimizing my
::::: risk makes life easier.
:::
::: You 'may' be minimizing your risk. Or you may not be. Don't be
::: lulled into thinking that 'may' means 'is' or 'will' or 'does'.
::: That's the problem with modern-day medical research...it seems that
::: little is certain.
::
::
:: Exactly. Like the women in the recent NIH study who spent 8 years
:: eating less fat, taking hormone replacement therapy and calcium
:: supplements because they "knew" they were minimizing their risk of
:: CHD, cancer, and osteoporosis. Turns out they achieved none of
:: that. But the calcium did lead to 15% more kidney stones. Or how
:: about those that spent decades eating margarine instead of butter
:: because they knew they were minimizing their risk? Turns out most
:: now recognize that the trans fat in the margarine was far worse than
:: the sat fat in the butter. And it didn't even taste nearly as good!
::
:: I'm not saying I would eat nitrites with abandon. But having some in
:: moderation may not necessarily lead to anything bad either or be
:: great cause for concern for someone just trying to get through
:: induction.

Exactly. We all do like to at least feel as though we're doing the best
we know how. That's human, I think. It's just that it's really, really
hard to know what's really best. I eat food with nitrites/nitrates....not
like crazy, but on occasion. I can't say that they make me feel bad and I
seem to maintain my weight with them and rarely overeat foods that have
them. I admit that making my own sausage sounds good, though, but only
because of this "back of my mind" fear that placed there because someone
wrote "may" in an article. Human nature kicks ass (both good and bad).

Let me restate then, this is what Atkins said. He has 30 or so years
experience with keto dieting... it's something to keep in mind.

Personally I buy processed meat at organic stores, and other food at regular
stores and I try to avoid nitrates.