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  1. Just trying to find out the results of our club's TT on Sunday,
    happened to see this;

    Full address details are shown for all events to the Easter. After that
    time the address details will only be available after entries have
    closed. In order to get the address details and enter events it will be
    necessary to have a handbook. Please click HERE to obtain an order
    form.

    How pathetic! like going in a restaurant and having to pay to see the
    menu (which was also said about charging for directory enquiries). No
    wonder it's a dying sport.

  2. MartinM said:

    Just trying to find out the results of our club's TT on Sunday,
    happened to see this;

    Full address details are shown for all events to the Easter. After that
    time the address details will only be available after entries have
    closed. In order to get the address details and enter events it will be
    necessary to have a handbook. Please click HERE to obtain an order
    form.

    How pathetic! like going in a restaurant and having to pay to see the
    menu (which was also said about charging for directory enquiries). No
    wonder it's a dying sport.


    Sport?

    This always appears to me as the cycling equivalent of train-spotting.

    druidh


  3. Quoted message said:

    No wonder it's a dying sport.

    The age of most competitors will assist its demise ;-)

    The sooner this excuse for a 'sport' is taken off the public highways
    the better.

    tt

  4. druidh said:
    MartinM said:

    Just trying to find out the results of our club's TT on Sunday,
    happened to see this;

    Full address details are shown for all events to the Easter. After that
    time the address details will only be available after entries have
    closed. In order to get the address details and enter events it will be
    necessary to have a handbook. Please click HERE to obtain an order
    form.

    How pathetic! like going in a restaurant and having to pay to see the
    menu (which was also said about charging for directory enquiries). No
    wonder it's a dying sport.


    Sport?

    This always appears to me as the cycling equivalent of train-spotting.

    maybe but the event in question generated 90+ entries; it's not my cup
    of tea either but with so few road racing events it continues to be
    popular. Just can't see why they need to be so secretive about events.

  5. MartinM said:

    popular. Just can't see why they need to be so secretive about events.

    Bacause for years their main source of income has been from selling
    the handbook. They haven't adapted yet to how things have changed.

    I guess to compenstate they'd have to increase the levy per ride
    by 50p or so maybe? The screams of pain from the old giffers
    would be deafening.

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune

  6. Arthur Clune said:
    MartinM said:

    popular. Just can't see why they need to be so secretive about events.

    Bacause for years their main source of income has been from selling
    the handbook. They haven't adapted yet to how things have changed.

    I guess to compenstate they'd have to increase the levy per ride
    by 50p or so maybe? The screams of pain from the old giffers
    would be deafening.

    Just out of interest how much from a normal TT entry fee goes in prize
    money? one (very minor) reason I moved from TT to Audax was that I
    would rather my entry fee went towards cake for me than a new set of
    tubs for the winner.

  7. "Arthur Clune" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The screams of pain from the old giffers
    would be deafening.

    Arthur

    Sadly, that is *so* true in too many cases in TT-ing.

    Cheers, helen s

  8. triddletree said:

    The sooner this excuse for a 'sport' is taken off the public highways
    the better.

    OK, I'll bite. It allows people who would be dropped in a mass-start
    race to compete, otherwise we'd all just have to ride with the CTC. The
    minimum fitness level for even 4th cat road racing is HIGH, and even
    with training many cyclists (i.e. me) can't sustain that much power.
    Plus the lower categories have frequent accidents due to incompetent
    riders; both the races I've marshalled had at least three people carted
    away by ambulance, and they were only about an hour long.

    You may have noticed that mass-start racing is practically impossible to
    organise in Britain these days because of traffic densities and police
    vetoes. Our club's event now has to be staged 30 miles away on the
    other side of the county because the "B" road route we've used for years
    now has too much traffic, according to Plod.

    But maybe you're just a motoring troll?

  9. Zog The Undeniable said:


    OK, I'll bite. It allows people who would be dropped in a mass-start
    race to compete, otherwise we'd all just have to ride with the CTC. The

    TLI organise Australian Pursuits, which work for all levels. Much the
    best option for most people.

    --
    Arthur Clune

  10. MartinM said:


    Just out of interest how much from a normal TT entry fee goes in prize
    money? one (very minor) reason I moved from TT to Audax was that I
    would rather my entry fee went towards cake for me than a new set of
    tubs for the winner.

    Not a vast amount. When I ran our clubs 50 we gave about 100 quid in prizes
    and some of that was for '20/40/60th'/handicap type prizes where anyone
    could get the money. Since we were charging 4.50 or a fiver entry at the
    time it's not a vast amount. The cost of hiring a hall/tea coffee etc
    was more.

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune

  11. Arthur Clune said:
    Zog The Undeniable said:


    OK, I'll bite. It allows people who would be dropped in a mass-start
    race to compete, otherwise we'd all just have to ride with the CTC.

    not at all, many lower distance Audax events have gotten very sporting
    (if you wish to do so) since the mudguard rule was dropped. And there's
    all the sportives, between the two they offer a prefect alternative to
    traditional British cycle racing IMHO

    Quoted message said:

    TLI organise Australian Pursuits, which work for all levels. Much the
    best option for most people.

    heard of this, could you give some details please?

  12. in message <[email hidden]>,

    triddletree (') said:
    Quoted message said:

    No wonder it's a dying sport.

    The age of most competitors will assist its demise ;-)

    The sooner this excuse for a 'sport' is taken off the public highways
    the better.

    Well, of course, we do run off-road time trials[1] and they're extremely
    popular especially with the kids. But on-road time trials are fun, too,
    if you don't take them too seriously.

    [1]
    <URL:http://www.stewartry-wheelers.org/wheelers/story/article_44.html>

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    'Victories are not solutions.'
    ;; John Hume, Northern Irish politician, on Radio Scotland 1/2/95
    ;; Nobel Peace Prize laureate 1998; few have deserved it so much

  13. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>,

    triddletree (') said:
    Quoted message said:

    No wonder it's a dying sport.

    The age of most competitors will assist its demise ;-)

    The sooner this excuse for a 'sport' is taken off the public highways
    the better.

    Well, of course, we do run off-road time trials[1] and they're extremely
    popular especially with the kids. But on-road time trials are fun, too,
    if you don't take them too seriously.

    But why does it all have to take place as some sort of "race" anyway?
    What's wrong with just going for a good cycle?

    druidh

  14. druidh said:

    What's wrong with just going for a good cycle?

    Nothing. But some people like racing.

  15. "druidh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    But why does it all have to take place as some sort of "race" anyway?
    What's wrong with just going for a good cycle?

    druidh

    Because we aren't all the same.
    Because it's done safely with no massed start.
    Because a lot of people enjoy it.
    Because it's a simple way of testing yourself on a bike over a specific
    distance.
    Because there simply aren't road races or circuit races in some parts of the
    country so it's the only form of competitive cycling available to many.
    Because entry fees to events is cheap (£6.50 per adult approx).
    Because if you don't have the finances for specialist equipment, fairy nuff,
    a set of clip on bars for under £35.00 will convert your bike into one you
    can TT on...

    Cheers, helen s

  16. "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "druidh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    But why does it all have to take place as some sort of "race" anyway?
    What's wrong with just going for a good cycle?

    druidh

    Because we aren't all the same.
    Because it's done safely with no massed start.
    Because a lot of people enjoy it.
    Because it's a simple way of testing yourself on a bike over a specific
    distance.
    Because there simply aren't road races or circuit races in some parts of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    country so it's the only form of competitive cycling available to many.
    Because entry fees to events is cheap (£6.50 per adult approx).
    Because if you don't have the finances for specialist equipment, fairy


    nuff,

    Quoted message said:

    a set of clip on bars for under £35.00 will convert your bike into one you
    can TT on...

    Cheers, helen s

    where do you get said clip on bars I want some.

    cheers
    Jon_H

  17. "Jon_H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    where do you get said clip on bars I want some.

    cheers
    Jon_H

    Try wiggle

    www.wiggle.co.uk

    example...

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/Default.aspx?Main=ProductDetail.aspx&W=0&Manufacturer=&UberCatName=&Cat=cycle&CategoryName=Bars%20-%20Road&ProdID=4000000916&UberCat=0

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/zeazc

    Have seen same/similar in bike shops too - they are widely available

    Cheers, helen s

  18. thanks very much

    cheers
    Jon_H

  19. Zog The Undeniable said:
    triddletree said:

    The sooner this excuse for a 'sport' is taken off the public highways
    the better.

    OK, I'll bite. It allows people who would be dropped in a mass-start
    race to compete, otherwise we'd all just have to ride with the CTC.

    I agree some RRs can be like this, and it is good to see BC's
    Competition Review which tries to address this. There are of course
    other events that can 'test' you personally such as audax events or the
    growing number of cyclo-sportif events. Then of course there is a wide
    range of offroad racing.

    The

    Quoted message said:

    minimum fitness level for even 4th cat road racing is HIGH, and even
    with training many cyclists (i.e. me) can't sustain that much power.

    See above. There are many events that can test you.

    Quoted message said:

    Plus the lower categories have frequent accidents due to incompetent
    riders; both the races I've marshalled had at least three people carted
    away by ambulance, and they were only about an hour long.

    I suspect that is unusual. Last year I attended perhaps a dozen road
    races and only witnessed one 'crash' which was treated with the
    organiser's first aid kit.
    ISTR that more riders have been killed in TTs than RR's.

    A major difference with TTs are that they are held on the Open Road
    whereas most road races are on closed circuits or use a form of rolling
    road closure. RR's have police permission for each event while TT's have
    a less regulatory notification system. IMO there is no place for any
    racing on roads where it mixes _directly_ other traffic.

    Quoted message said:

    You may have noticed that mass-start racing is practically impossible to
    organise in Britain these days because of traffic densities and police
    vetoes. Our club's event now has to be staged 30 miles away on the
    other side of the county because the "B" road route we've used for years
    now has too much traffic, according to Plod.

    Regrettable.
    In my area road races on public roads have virtually ceased. Much of
    that is because the events require increasingly higher levels of
    marshalling to ensure segregation from other traffic. Often costly
    police marshalling is required which can be prohibitive. Nearly all
    events are now on closed circuits/tracks.
    We are becoming a much more densly populated country and roads are
    becoming busier. As a one-time race organiser I know the problems.

    Quoted message said:

    But maybe you're just a motoring troll?

    Don't be silly.
    When people see [censored]-up/head down 'cyclists', chasing Tesco lorries on
    near motorway standard roads, it does not send out the message that
    cycling is a responsible activity.
    TTs on _public roads_ will either die out because so few are entering
    the 'sport' or they will be banned from the roads on grounds of safety.
    Whichever comes first doesn't really matter, but IMO the sooner the better.
    If TT-ing is to survive it needs to move to closed roads/circuits.

    tt

  20. Jon_H said:

    thanks very much

    cheers
    Jon_H


    I've got a set of these that won't fit my new bike (on account of it
    having an OS bar). Let me know if you're interested in them. A bit
    marked, but complete.

    druidh

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