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Re: Cannondale Synapse or Trek Pilot or Madone?

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  1. For $3K you could build up your own ride that would be infinitely more
    suited to the task than any of those.

    If I were you, I'd find a good metal frame, steel, alu, or even ti,
    either off the rack or have something brazed up, then get two sets of
    wheels, some fast ones, and some sturdier ones. Carbon fork is fine.

    I understand wanting performance, but you're going to find that
    tires/whees/geometry is what affects that most, not fancy carbon bits.
    A carbon frame can be good for the pro racer needing that very slight
    edge, but I wouldn't want to live with one day to day.

    You've got a good chunk of change to spend, enough to have a couple
    reliable sets of wheels hand built, one light, one sturdy, and enough
    left over to get decent componentry.

    Don't [censored] away the bank account on a prestige widget shaped like
    "performance". Pay for craftsmanship that actually gives you
    performance *and* durability *and* peace of mind.

    /rant

    ;-)

  2. landotter wrote:

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    Quoted message said:

    A carbon frame can be good for the pro racer needing that very slight
    edge, but I wouldn't want to live with one day to day.

    Why? I ride a full carbon bike, seldom race, and love it. I've ridden
    steel, Ti, and now Carbon. I've loved them all. FWIW I really enjoy
    having a light stiff frame and found carbon to be the best choice (for
    me) in my price range.

    In the end I'd actually argue that in the price range of the OP the
    critical variable will be the bike fit more than the frame material.

  3. I would agree. carbon has three qualities that make it an almost ideal
    material for use in bike frames, etc. It's very light, very strong, and
    is naturally very good at absorbing vibration. Having said that, I will
    add that because of the inherent ridgidity of the material, it's really
    only good at absorbing high frequency vibrations. To enable carbon
    frames to absorb more low and mid frequency vibrations, Specialized has
    added their "Zertz" viscoelastic vibration damping material into it's
    frames to make them even more comfortable. This material was originally
    developed and used by the tennis racket industry and is used in the
    handle of rackets so the vibration of the ball hitting the strings does
    not travel up the handle to the player's hand. Specialized uses it in
    the fork, seat stays, and seat post. All of these are in the path from
    the road to the rider. It works. Check out their web site:

    http://specialized.com/bc/techlab_zertz.jsp?a=b

    Perry

  4. CobraRGuy said:

    I would agree. carbon has three qualities that make it an almost ideal
    material for use in bike frames, etc. It's very light, very strong, and
    is naturally very good at absorbing vibration. Having said that, I will
    add that because of the inherent ridgidity of the material, it's really
    only good at absorbing high frequency vibrations. To enable carbon
    frames to absorb more low and mid frequency vibrations, Specialized has
    added their "Zertz" viscoelastic vibration damping material into it's
    frames to make them even more comfortable. This material was originally
    developed and used by the tennis racket industry and is used in the
    handle of rackets so the vibration of the ball hitting the strings does
    not travel up the handle to the player's hand. Specialized uses it in
    the fork, seat stays, and seat post. All of these are in the path from
    the road to the rider. It works. Check out their web site:

    http://specialized.com/bc/techlab_zertz.jsp?a=b

    Perry

    Thanks for the comment!
    A couple of points. It would seem that improvements in the fork,seat
    stays, and seat post could help dampen vibration regardless of frame
    material. So, those improvements - if they are real- should help on any
    frame.

    But as I say in an earlier post below I'm always a bit perplexed by the
    whole comfort discussion. I have about 60,000 miles on steel bikes,
    around 40,000 on Ti and now several thousand on a full carbon bike,
    They have all been comfortable. Surely there are variances in ride
    characteristics but I have logged many miles over time and in single
    days on all of them.

    So, my own experience leads me to believe that comfort is most closely
    achieved by 1) proper bike fit, and 2) by proper conditioning. I think
    that the advantages of 1) are obvious. But I also think that overall
    fitness (not just cardio) also goes a long way for comfort. So, for
    example having god core strength results in being able to support the
    body without resting lots of weight on the hands. This results in less
    road shock coming up through the hands and thus helps in overall
    comfort as well as minimizing all the complaints aobut numb hands,
    tired upper body, etc.

    So, iI happen to like my current bike for its quick acceleration and
    great stability on fast descents. However, the geometry that allows
    those characteristics make it turn a bit less quickly than a bike with
    a shorter top tupe set up for crits. But I wouldn't describe thoat a
    difference in comfort. As I said I've never had a non comfortable bike
    and I attribute that to fit and fitness.

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