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  1. I am trying to maximize my nutrition during a tri (olympics this year,
    1/2 next year). I am doing my third tri this year and have
    experimented with some different things, but wanted some feedback.

    Last year I used EnduroxR4 on the ride. Someone told me that was more
    for recovery after a race and that I should consider another drink
    (accelerade, cytomax, gatorade endurance, etc). I think this is
    because of the carb/protein ratios. All these drinks are better than
    the other in some area, whether one is better for protein but not as
    good in electrolytes.

    I was also recently introduced to e-gels (from Crank) as an alternative
    to GU and Hammer, both of which I used last year.

    After reading about the contents of each of these products I am a bit
    confused as to what to use this year. I am thinking that a good
    strategy would be to find the right combination of drink and gel by
    looking at what each provides. What I mean is using the e-gel because
    it is heavy with potassium and sodium and then a drink that is high
    carb. Or a drink heavy in potassium/sodium and a gel with protein and
    carbs.

    Any discussion would be much appreciated.

    Curry

  2. From all of the advice that I've received (long time experience
    triathletes and coaches) and from other reading, protein is not
    necessary during exercise and in fact it can (and often does) cause GI
    problems on the run and particularly so for longer distance races.

    There's lots of research around the research that Accelerade and other
    drink manufacturers produce which indicate the benefits of protein, etc.
    which have differing opinions.

    However, I find that the most telling story is what my body says -- I've
    had bad luck with anything protein after 3 hours and this also lines up
    with what race directors say about gastrointestinal distress problems:
    they can almost always attribute it to something with protein.

    This became clear to me with longer distance runs or long bike w/
    transition runs -- dropping the protein in the drinks resolved my GI
    distress.
    My findings from experimentation (you should do similar
    experimentation):

    Be more concerned with keeping the carbohydrates in your system as
    you're burning them as well as your electrolyte balance.

    I now use Carbo-Pro [maltodextrin] w/ water and Thermolytes for
    nutrition (to bring in the calories) and have another hydration system
    for the race course on the bike to (for IM or half-IM that means I'm
    taking the Gatorade Endurance on the course but this is for additional
    hydration, not the main source of calories). On the run, I use the
    provided GU (or bring my own) and water -- may change to Coke towards
    the end of the run (TBD).

    The Olympic distance is a borderline case but you really only need a
    carbohydrate based drink + some electrolytes during hydration (which is
    more dependent on sweat rate, race conditions, and duration).

    Save the protein for post-race recovery and here even Chocolate milk
    serves this purpose well (see the article here:
    http://fitnessmagazine.com/fitness/story.jhtml;jsessionid=T4JBELA4BTAGXQFIBQNSCZQ?storyid=/templatedata/fitness/story/data/1140708671387.xml)

    --
    Bryan Woodruff
    Redmond, WA

    "cg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I am trying to maximize my nutrition during a tri (olympics this year,
    1/2 next year). I am doing my third tri this year and have
    experimented with some different things, but wanted some feedback.

    Last year I used EnduroxR4 on the ride. Someone told me that was more
    for recovery after a race and that I should consider another drink
    (accelerade, cytomax, gatorade endurance, etc). I think this is
    because of the carb/protein ratios. All these drinks are better than
    the other in some area, whether one is better for protein but not as
    good in electrolytes.

    I was also recently introduced to e-gels (from Crank) as an alternative
    to GU and Hammer, both of which I used last year.

    After reading about the contents of each of these products I am a bit
    confused as to what to use this year. I am thinking that a good
    strategy would be to find the right combination of drink and gel by
    looking at what each provides. What I mean is using the e-gel because
    it is heavy with potassium and sodium and then a drink that is high
    carb. Or a drink heavy in potassium/sodium and a gel with protein and
    carbs.

    Any discussion would be much appreciated.

    Curry

  3. cg said:

    I am trying to maximize my nutrition during a tri (olympics this year,
    1/2 next year). I am doing my third tri this year and have
    experimented with some different things, but wanted some feedback.

    Last year I used EnduroxR4 on the ride. Someone told me that was more
    for recovery after a race and that I should consider another drink
    (accelerade, cytomax, gatorade endurance, etc). I think this is
    because of the carb/protein ratios. All these drinks are better than
    the other in some area, whether one is better for protein but not as
    good in electrolytes.

    I was also recently introduced to e-gels (from Crank) as an alternative
    to GU and Hammer, both of which I used last year.

    After reading about the contents of each of these products I am a bit
    confused as to what to use this year. I am thinking that a good
    strategy would be to find the right combination of drink and gel by
    looking at what each provides. What I mean is using the e-gel because
    it is heavy with potassium and sodium and then a drink that is high
    carb. Or a drink heavy in potassium/sodium and a gel with protein and
    carbs.

    Any discussion would be much appreciated.

    Curry

    Are you having any particular problems which you think stem from your
    nutrition strategy? Short of energy? Cramping? Not being able to
    absorb your drink/gels? DNFing?

    If not then your strategy might be OK already in which case I would be
    inclined not to worry about it. Most people I know don't bother with
    anything other than carb drinks and water for an Olympic - you can
    easily get enough energy for the race from the fat and carbs in your
    body plus a bottle of carb drink on the bike, plus obviously you need
    as much water as dictated by the conditions. Trying to take on
    unnecessary nutrition will actually slow you down.

    On a 1/2 you need to take on more energy and might consider taking on
    some solids on the bike and maybe gels on the run. Must admit I'm
    lucky enough to be able to digest pretty much anything so I generally
    strap an energy bar to the bike which I eat as soon as I can, then just
    rely on whatever they're giving out round the course. I aim to drink a
    bottle of whatever energy drink it is every hour on the bike, then on
    the run I drink only water and take on a gel every 2-3 miles depending
    on aid stations. If it's a very hot day I take a sodium tablet at some
    point. I've never worried much about protein during a race - I've
    tried carb drinks with protein in training and they don't seem to make
    any difference to plain old gatorade so I don't bother with them. If
    you try them and notice an improvement then race with them.

  4. Thanks. Interesting about the protein. I never had any issues when
    training with it (Endurox) or during a race, but everyone is different.
    However, I never really noticed any benefits either, but I am still
    very new to racing.

    I'll change up my strategy a bit this year and use a carb heavy/protein
    free drink and whatever gel. I'll keep it similar for the half next
    year but add thru experimentation with solids. I'll also have to look
    at consumption rate next year.

    curry

  5. cg said:

    Thanks. Interesting about the protein. I never had any issues when
    training with it (Endurox) or during a race, but everyone is different.
    However, I never really noticed any benefits either, but I am still
    very new to racing.

    I'll change up my strategy a bit this year and use a carb heavy/protein
    free drink and whatever gel. I'll keep it similar for the half next
    year but add thru experimentation with solids. I'll also have to look
    at consumption rate next year.

    curry

    Hi Curry,
    I like protein based Accelerade during the race and Endurox after
    training and racing (it is the same brand of products). You can find
    more information in the archives of Google regarding protein drinks
    during racing including Endurox. I love the Vanilla Accelerade Gel on a
    long ride or run, with the Accelerade drink.

    I wouldn't take a drink that is made for muscle building nor protein
    drink meal supplements as I think that ratio of carbohydrates to fat to
    protein is not a good one for triathlon.

    I find Gatorade is so acidic that I get heart burn very badly and can no
    longer take that product, and I also get a very low sugar feeling from
    it. I loved it when I first started taking sports drinks, but have moved
    on to what feels better.

    Just find a product that works for you. Some will be acidic, some will
    offer different sugars or proteins.

    Chocolate milk would make me hurt after a long ride, run or tri.
    Although I do love ice cream while training.

  6. I'd save the protein for when you go to full ironman - it kills the
    hungry feeling, but isn't really necessary for shorter stuff.

    If cramping is ever an issue, I find it easiest to separate salt intake
    from carb intake, I use Succeed! caps and Enervit cheer packs but am
    currently developing my own gels.

    Tam

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If cramping is ever an issue, I find it easiest to separate salt intake
    from carb intake, I use Succeed! caps and Enervit cheer packs but am
    currently developing my own gels.

    Yep, me too. I suffered from chronic cramps badly in the LAF century,
    to the point I went and sought the help of a sports nutrition/science
    specialist. I suspect this has a lot to do with the fact I'm from a
    colder climate and don't do well in the heat.

    So, after a heat tank test at my local University and a few practise
    60-mile rides we came down to mostly rehydration drinks during a race,
    with small amount of complex slow release carbs(aka bannanas) at
    specific intervals. I've been using Ultramax Replenisher and for
    convenience during longer rides, Nuun tablets which I can take in a
    tube and just mix as needed with water.

    No more gels or carb heavy drinks for me... I though my energy etc.
    would suffer as a result but it wasn't, if anything I've got
    faster/stronger as I don't tighten up/cramp as much.

    Net, net, if this is a real concern you can spend months trying things
    out, or alternatively get paid professional help.

  8. Mark Cathcart said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If cramping is ever an issue, I find it easiest to separate salt intake
    from carb intake, I use Succeed! caps and Enervit cheer packs but am
    currently developing my own gels.

    Yep, me too. I suffered from chronic cramps badly in the LAF century,
    to the point I went and sought the help of a sports nutrition/science
    specialist. I suspect this has a lot to do with the fact I'm from a
    colder climate and don't do well in the heat.

    So, after a heat tank test at my local University and a few practise
    60-mile rides we came down to mostly rehydration drinks during a race,
    with small amount of complex slow release carbs(aka bannanas)

    Always thought bananas were pretty simple quick release carbs?
    Particularly ripe, squishy bananas which is inevitably what I end up
    having on race day by the time they've been carried to the event and
    sat in the sun!

    Quoted message said:

    at
    specific intervals. I've been using Ultramax Replenisher and for
    convenience during longer rides, Nuun tablets which I can take in a
    tube and just mix as needed with water.

    No more gels or carb heavy drinks for me... I though my energy etc.
    would suffer as a result but it wasn't, if anything I've got
    faster/stronger as I don't tighten up/cramp as much.

    Net, net, if this is a real concern you can spend months trying things
    out, or alternatively get paid professional help.

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