weird popov training video

Perhaps for Waterpolo???

Or but there are better ways to increase the drag of the water.

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I have a question to you I've seen a video of a popov training session on the web. in this scene
he is swimming freestyle with the head (up to the chin) completely out of the water. do you have
any idea of the purpose of this training? -Claudio

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I've seen a video of a popov training session on the web.

in this scene he is swimming freestyle with the head (up to the chin) completely out of the water.
do you have any idea of the purpose of this training?<<

I have the video of which you speak. It is a drill to train the "kayak" stroke style of swimming.
Indeed he keeps his head raised up over the water, looking forward, while "jumping" forward with
alternating hand strokes ("jumping" over his bow wave, alternately with each hand). It has been
claimed on this newsgroup that Popov does all his training with a FQS swimming style. This video
certainly dispells this fallacy and perhaps also partially explains why he races with so much
vertical head motion.

Larry Weisenthal

Certitude is poison; curiosity is life

Larry, do you know for certain that Popov's objective for this drill was to train the kayak stroke?
Often, the same drill can be used to achieve different objectives........for example:

In the early '70's my college swim coach had us often do the exact same drill (we called is the
'Tarzan Drill"😉. The only purpose of this drill was for conditioning....it had absolutely nothing to
do with training the kayak stroke or anyother stroke for that matter. Our coach knew that if you
raised your head your legs would drop (sounds a little TI'ish, doesn't it?) requiring considerably
more effort......he also has us kick the same way (head above surface; hands behind back).

If you've got specific knowledge of Popov's training intent for this drill, please share it;
otherwise, I'd caution you about jumping to conclusions.

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I've seen a video of a popov training session on the web.

in this scene he is swimming freestyle with the head (up to the chin) completely out of the water.
do you have any idea of the purpose of this training?<<

I have the video of which you speak. It is a drill to train the "kayak" stroke style of swimming.
Indeed he keeps his head raised up over the water, looking forward, while "jumping" forward with
alternating hand strokes ("jumping" over his bow wave, alternately with each hand). It has been
claimed on this newsgroup that Popov does all his training with a FQS swimming style. This video
certainly dispells this fallacy and perhaps also partially explains why he races with so much
vertical head motion.

Larry Weisenthal

Certitude is poison; curiosity is life

From my experience, Touretski (Popov's coach) uses that drill to teach a fast and deep catch i.e.
not letting the hand stay out long, with the hand going deep out front

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Larry, do you know for certain that Popov's objective for this drill was to train the kayak
stroke? Often, the same drill can be used to achieve different objectives........for example:

In the early '70's my college swim coach had us often do the exact same drill (we called is the
'Tarzan Drill"😉. The only purpose of this drill was for conditioning....it had absolutely
nothing to do with training the kayak stroke or anyother stroke for that matter. Our coach knew
that if you raised your head your legs would drop (sounds a little TI'ish, doesn't it?)
requiring considerably more effort......he also has us kick the same way (head above surface;
hands behind back).

If you've got specific knowledge of Popov's training intent for this drill, please share it;
otherwise, I'd caution you about jumping to conclusions.

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>I've seen a video of a popov training session on the web.

in this scene he is swimming freestyle with the head (up to the chin) completely out of the
water. do you have any idea of the purpose of this training?<<

I have the video of which you speak. It is a drill to train the "kayak"

stroke

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style of swimming. Indeed he keeps his head raised up over the water,

looking

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forward, while "jumping" forward with alternating hand strokes

("jumping" over

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his bow wave, alternately with each hand). It has been claimed on this newsgroup that Popov does
all his training with a FQS swimming style.

This

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video certainly dispells this fallacy and perhaps also partially

explains why

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he races with so much vertical head motion.

Larry Weisenthal

Certitude is poison; curiosity is life

Hi Bill, Larry, Colin, et al.

On occasion I'll have my swimmers practice "heads up" freestyle. Not very often since I don't want
to foster the notion that holding the head high is a good idea. When we do it, I ask them to focus
on keeping a high bent elbow recovery. That's the main reason we do the drill and it could be one of
the reasons Touretski had Popov do it. This is a carryover of a water polo drill where swimmers
practice "dribbling" the ball by chopping the hands into the water slightly in front of and beside
the ball so that a small wave pushes the ball forward and to the side. Repeated fast strokes keep
the ball in front of the face of the water polo player as he or she sprints the length of the pool
with their head held high so they can see the defense and grab the ball and pass it if warranted.
Another purpose of the drill is to build leg strength since as Bill said, holding the head up that
high requires a very strong kick to keep the body anywhere close to horizontal. And I think it
certainly compels the swimmer to drive the hand right into a catch; it's very difficult to glide in
the heads up position. Something else I tell my swimmers is to hold their head steady as they swim
this way, not wag the head side to side with the rolling motion of the shoulders.

To comment specifically on that video I've heard speculation that Touretski produced it long after
he stopped using the drills he was purported to be training Popov with. In other words, he'd already
gone onto other more useful drills and training strategies but wasn't about to advertise what they
were doing prefering to throw out a little disinformation to the unsuspecting swimming/coaching
world. I wouldn't be surprised to find out some day that this was true. Remember, Touretski is a
product of the Soviet Union, a notoriously secretive society. He then moved to Australia, a land
where "cutthroat" coaching styles are famous and you'd rather slit your own throat than share a
secret with one of your competitors. Do you think he would willingly tell the world how he and Popov
became so successful when Popov had yet to retire? I don't think so.

Now that he's moved to Switzerland and Popov is probably a year away from retiring, I think we
may well see another video from the two - "Touretski's Secret Coaching Tips" or some such thing.
Stay tuned.

Scott

Touretski stills uses that drill. He used it on me last year.

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Hi Bill, Larry, Colin, et al.

On occasion I'll have my swimmers practice "heads up" freestyle. Not very often since I don't want
to foster the notion that holding the head high is a good idea. When we do it, I ask them to focus
on keeping a high bent elbow recovery. That's the main reason we do the drill and it could be one
of the reasons Touretski had Popov do it. This is a carryover of a water polo drill where swimmers
practice "dribbling" the ball by chopping the hands into the water slightly in front of and beside
the ball so that a small wave pushes the ball forward and to the side. Repeated fast strokes keep
the ball in front of the face of the water polo player as he or she sprints the length of the pool
with their head held high so they can see the defense and grab the ball and pass it if warranted.
Another purpose of the drill is to build leg strength since as Bill said, holding the head up that
high requires a very strong kick to keep the body anywhere close to horizontal. And I think it
certainly compels the swimmer to drive the hand right into a catch; it's very difficult to glide
in the heads up position. Something else I tell my swimmers is to hold their head steady as they
swim this way, not wag the head side to side with the rolling motion of the shoulders.

To comment specifically on that video I've heard speculation that Touretski produced it long after
he stopped using the drills he was purported to be training Popov with. In other words, he'd
already gone onto other more useful drills and training strategies but wasn't about to advertise
what they were doing prefering to throw out a little disinformation to the unsuspecting
swimming/coaching world. I wouldn't be surprised to find out some day that this was true.
Remember, Touretski is a product of the Soviet Union, a notoriously secretive society. He then
moved to Australia, a land where "cutthroat" coaching styles are famous and you'd rather slit your
own throat than share a secret with one of your competitors. Do you think he would willingly tell
the world how he and Popov became so successful when Popov had yet to retire? I don't think so.

Now that he's moved to Switzerland and Popov is probably a year away from retiring, I think we
may well see another video from the two - "Touretski's Secret Coaching Tips" or some such thing.
Stay tuned.

Scott

When our masters coach gave us that drill, I think his explanation was that it strengthened our
kick, since you have to really kick to keep your body level. Whatever the purpose is, it's really
exhausting.