Ocean Swim - It was cold today !

DaKitty said:

Well, I didn't know one gets used to the brain-freeze while swimming, and eventually you ARE able
to take a breath. I don't mind getting left behind, even on the usual ocean swim, but getting
left behind when you're not feeling right, and don't know what's going on, I was uncomfortable
with that!

Two things to try. First, use two swim caps instead of one. Thickness is warmth. Second, get a good
warmup on land before you enter the water, ie get your metabolism up before you go in. A 2k run or
something like that.

martin

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We did our Sunday Ocean swim today. It was a fair5 amount colder than last couple times I went.
(I'm guessing 63-65F????) No, we don't swim with wet suits. You don't get USMS points in many
ocean swims if you do it in a wet-suit, AFAIK.

The other swimmers said it was cold enough to take your breath away when you put your head under
water. I definitely noticed that.

Barracuda makes an insulated swim cap called the Hothead that doesn't look too dorky. Speedo has
some silicone caps with chin straps. And if you want the latest in fashion for a warm cap, check out
these sites:

chemocareheadwear.comgeneric.htmlOpen ↗

geocities.comvintage.htmlOpen ↗

The Playtex Athena looks pretty warm to me.

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DaKitty said:

Well, I didn't know one gets used to the brain-freeze while swimming,

and

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eventually you ARE able to take a breath. I don't mind getting left

behind,

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even on the usual ocean swim, but getting left behind when you're not feeling right, and don't
know what's going on, I was uncomfortable with that!

Two things to try. First, use two swim caps instead of one. Thickness is warmth. Second, get a
good warmup on land before you enter the water, ie get your metabolism up before you go in. A 2k
run or something like that.

martin

Two swim caps sounds like a good idea 🙂 I'll try that next time. I use those silicone ones too,
they don't tear up my hair like the rubber ones do, and they *are thicker. Still, the worst cold
sensation was on my face and neck.

I was backstroking on the way back, and the cold didn't bother me on the backstroke at all.

2K Run? LOL I can swim 2K, easily, I can't run 2K at all, I can't even run 1K. (My cardio still
sucks and I'm not a runner. Maybe in few more months.)

Huh, does walking fast to the beach, then to the bathroom and back to the beach (1/4 mile each way)
trying to not be late count as a warm-up 😉 <g>

Thanks for the ideas 🙂

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We did our Sunday Ocean swim today. It was a fair5 amount colder than last couple times I
went. (I'm

guessing

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63-65F????) No, we don't swim with wet suits. You don't get USMS points in many

ocean

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swims if you do it in a wet-suit, AFAIK.

The other swimmers said it was cold enough to take your breath away when

you

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put your head under water. I definitely noticed that.

Barracuda makes an insulated swim cap called the Hothead that doesn't look too dorky. Speedo has
some silicone caps with chin straps. And if you want the latest in fashion for a warm cap, check
out these sites:

chemocareheadwear.comgeneric.htmlOpen ↗

geocities.comvintage.htmlOpen ↗

The Playtex Athena looks pretty warm to me.

Cool, thanks 🙂

Who knew a fat head like mine would need extra insulation ! 😉 [okay, just kidding... I do know
about the lack of insulation and rapid heat loss when it comes to the head.]

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I can swim 2K, easily, I can't run 2K at all, I can't even run 1K.

Don't feel bad. Swimmers often can't run.

I've been building up lately. Now I can jog all the way from my house to the post office and back
every evening. That's a total distance of maybe 1/4 mile - I live in a small village. :-)

Ross

perhaps covering parts of your body with mud helps a little, this isolates also!!!

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DaKitty said:

Well, I didn't know one gets used to the brain-freeze while swimming,

and

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eventually you ARE able to take a breath. I don't mind getting left

behind,

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even on the usual ocean swim, but getting left behind when you're not feeling right, and don't
know what's going on, I was uncomfortable

with

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that!

Two things to try. First, use two swim caps instead of one. Thickness is warmth. Second, get a
good warmup on land before you enter the water, ie get your metabolism up before you go in. A 2k
run or something like that.

martin

Two swim caps sounds like a good idea 🙂 I'll try that next time. I use those silicone ones too,
they don't tear up my hair like the rubber ones do, and they *are thicker. Still, the worst cold
sensation was on my face and neck.

I was backstroking on the way back, and the cold didn't bother me on the backstroke at all.

2K Run? LOL I can swim 2K, easily, I can't run 2K at all, I can't even run 1K. (My cardio still
sucks and I'm not a runner. Maybe in few more months.)

Huh, does walking fast to the beach, then to the bathroom and back to the beach (1/4 mile each
way) trying to not be late count as a warm-up 😉 <g>

Thanks for the ideas 🙂

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We did our Sunday Ocean swim today. It was a fair5 amount colder than last couple times I
went. (I'm

guessing

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63-65F????) No, we don't swim with wet suits. You don't get USMS points in many

ocean

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swims if you do it in a wet-suit, AFAIK.

The other swimmers said it was cold enough to take your breath away when

you

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put your head under water. I definitely noticed that.

Barracuda makes an insulated swim cap called the Hothead that doesn't look too dorky. Speedo has
some silicone caps with chin straps. And if you want the latest in fashion for a warm cap, check
out these sites:

chemocareheadwear.comgeneric.htmlOpen ↗

geocities.comvintage.htmlOpen ↗

The Playtex Athena looks pretty warm to me.

Cool, thanks 🙂

Who knew a fat head like mine would need extra insulation ! 😉 [okay, just kidding... I do know
about the lack of insulation and rapid heat loss when it comes to the head.]

The Playtex Swim Pretty cap on that vintage cap site was designed for cold water swims. Similar
bubble caps are still available in colors and head sizes, yes head sizes, for open water swimming.
See this page from that same cap guide for lots of cold water cap info. A warm dry head makes a huge
difference without a wet suit! Also go to the link for the full Swim Cap Guide and see the link to
the page about caps for surfers and kayakers, or try Google swim caps surfers. The Barracuda cap is
also shown.

geocities.comcoldwatercaps.htmlOpen ↗

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In 7N60b.5077$S_.4774@fed1read01 DaKitty said:

I can swim 2K, easily, I can't run 2K at all, I can't even run 1K.

Don't feel bad. Swimmers often can't run.

I've been building up lately. Now I can jog all the way from my house to the post office and back
every evening. That's a total distance of maybe 1/4 mile - I live in a small village. :-)

heh, I could never run. Bike, great. Rollerblade, I used to do 30-40 miles a day when I was in a
really good shape. At the same time I could rollerblade that much, I could barely run 3 miles.

My cardio and breathing gives out, my legs keep wanting to go...

I've been told I have big leg muscles. I suspect it is extremely difficult for my cardio to deliver
the oxygen to the muscles... when the leg muscles are used lot and fast. Also, I have a little
genetic blood deficiency (thallasemia) where my red blood cells are 80% of the normal size. Which
often shoes on tests as anemia, but it's not anemia. It doesn't respond to iron. I keep wondering if
the similar thing wouldn't happen to a runner if they become anemic. Sudden cardio related drop in
performance???

Hmmm 🙂 Thanks.

Maybe if I stick my face into mud 😉 The rest of me has about 20-30 pounds of extra insulation.
Built-in wetsuit.

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perhaps covering parts of your body with mud helps a little, this isolates also!!!

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DaKitty wrote:
> Well, I didn't know one gets used to the brain-freeze while

swimming,

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and

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> eventually you ARE able to take a breath. I don't mind getting left

behind,

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> even on the usual ocean swim, but getting left behind when you're

not

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> feeling right, and don't know what's going on, I was uncomfortable

with

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> that!

Two things to try. First, use two swim caps instead of one. Thickness

is

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warmth. Second, get a good warmup on land before you enter the water,

ie

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get your metabolism up before you go in. A 2k run or something like that.

martin

Two swim caps sounds like a good idea 🙂 I'll try that next time. I use those silicone ones too,
they don't tear

up

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my hair like the rubber ones do, and they *are thicker. Still, the worst cold sensation was on
my face and neck.

I was backstroking on the way back, and the cold didn't bother me on the backstroke at all.

2K Run? LOL I can swim 2K, easily, I can't run 2K at all, I can't even run 1K. (My cardio still
sucks and I'm not a runner. Maybe in few more months.)

Huh, does walking fast to the beach, then to the bathroom and back to

the

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beach (1/4 mile each way) trying to not be late count as a warm-up 😉

<g>

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Thanks for the ideas 🙂

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> We did our Sunday Ocean swim today. It was a fair5 amount colder than last couple times I
> went. (I'm

guessing

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> 63-65F????) No, we don't swim with wet suits. You don't get USMS points in many

ocean

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> swims if you do it in a wet-suit, AFAIK.
>
> The other swimmers said it was cold enough to take your breath away

when

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you

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> put your head under water. I definitely noticed that.

Barracuda makes an insulated swim cap called the Hothead that doesn't look too dorky. Speedo
has some silicone caps with chin straps. And if you want the latest in fashion for a warm cap,
check out these sites:

chemocareheadwear.comgeneric.htmlOpen ↗

geocities.comvintage.htmlOpen ↗

The Playtex Athena looks pretty warm to me.

Cool, thanks 🙂

Who knew a fat head like mine would need extra insulation ! 😉 [okay, just kidding... I do know
about the lack of insulation and rapid heat loss when it comes to the head.]

The Playtex Swim Pretty cap on that vintage cap site was designed for cold water swims. Similar
bubble caps are still available in colors and head sizes, yes head sizes, for open water swimming.
See this page from that same cap guide for lots of cold water cap info. A warm dry head makes a
huge difference without a wet suit! Also go to the link for the full Swim Cap Guide and see the
link to the page about caps for surfers and kayakers, or try Google swim caps surfers. The
Barracuda cap is also shown.

geocities.comcoldwatercaps.htmlOpen ↗

Thanks 🙂

I think water being that cold down here was a bit of a fluke. Usually it's much closer to 70F which
is quite fine for me.

DaKitty said:

I think water being that cold down here was a bit of a fluke. Usually it's much closer to 70F
which is quite fine for me.

Where are you?

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DaKitty said:

I think water being that cold down here was a bit of a fluke. Usually

it's

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much closer to 70F which is quite fine for me.

Where are you?

martin

Southern California 🙂

Well, the water is cold there because of the current. Still, 65 is not terribly cold. Actually, the
water in the Oslo fjord is warmer than Southern California in the summer. It is often above normal
pool temperature.

martin

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DaKitty wrote:
> I think water being that cold down here was a bit of a fluke.

Usually

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it's

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> much closer to 70F which is quite fine for me.

Where are you?

martin

Southern California 🙂

Well, the water is cold there because of the current. Still, 65 is not terribly cold. Actually,
the water in the Oslo fjord is warmer than Southern California in the summer. It is often above
normal pool temperature.

Yea, 63 or 65Fit's not terribly cold. Although, after swimming in a pool, and in the 70F ocean,
swimming in 65F for the first time will get you, um, puzzled, to say the least. Few more tries, I'll
get used to it.

I think the strangest thing was, the coach was over on the beach, and the rest of the group has
already passed me, so I didn't have anyone close to ask, what the heck is going on... You know, when
you experience something for the first time. Plus it was my 7th day in a row of training, I wasn't
up for too many heroics that day.

Keith Campbell said:

Boys and Girls You should try and come over to Ireland to where the real sea swimming takes place.
Just this weekend we swam from Copeland Islands to Donaghdee. Around 2.5 miles, and the temperture
was 51F. That's real sea swimming!!

That would be a warmup for some of the folks around here. They are gearing up for a swim to San
Francisco from the Farallones, one of the 3 nexus points for white sharks. The distance is over 20
miles and the temp could be anywhere from high 40s to 60. And...they're doing it in Sept, prime
season for the pinneped population out there.

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Boys and Girls You should try and come over to Ireland to where the real sea swimming takes place.
Just this weekend we swam from Copeland Islands to Donaghdee. Around 2.5 miles, and the temperture
was 51F. That's real sea swimming!!

Keith

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> DaKitty wrote:
> > I think water being that cold down here was a bit of a fluke.

Usually

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it's
> > much closer to 70F which is quite fine for me.
>
> Where are you?
>
> martin

Southern California 🙂

Well, the water is cold there because of the current. Still, 65 is not terribly cold. Actually,
the water in the Oslo fjord is warmer than Southern California in the summer. It is often above
normal pool temperature.

Yea, 63 or 65Fit's not terribly cold. Although, after swimming in a pool, and in the 70F ocean,
swimming in 65F for the first time will get you, um, puzzled, to say the least. Few more tries,
I'll get used to it.

I think the strangest thing was, the coach was over on the beach, and the rest of the group has
already passed me, so I didn't have anyone close to ask, what the heck is going on... You know,
when you experience something for the first time. Plus it was my 7th day in a row of training, I
wasn't up for too many heroics that day.

huh, I've got Goosebumps just reading it. You're braver than I !

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Boys and Girls You should try and come over to Ireland to where the real sea swimming

takes

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place. Just this weekend we swam from Copeland Islands to Donaghdee. Around 2.5 miles, and the
temperture was 51F. That's real sea swimming!!

Keith

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> "Martin W. Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> > DaKitty wrote:
> > > I think water being that cold down here was a bit of a fluke.

Usually

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> it's
> > > much closer to 70F which is quite fine for me.
> >
> > Where are you?
> >
> > martin
>
> Southern California 🙂

Well, the water is cold there because of the current. Still, 65 is not terribly cold.
Actually, the water in the Oslo fjord is warmer than Southern California in the summer. It is
often above normal pool temperature.

Yea, 63 or 65Fit's not terribly cold. Although, after swimming in a pool, and in the 70F ocean,
swimming in

65F

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for the first time will get you, um, puzzled, to say the least. Few more tries, I'll get used
to it.

I think the strangest thing was, the coach was over on the beach, and

the

Quoted message said:

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rest of the group has already passed me, so I didn't have anyone close

to

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ask, what the heck is going on... You know, when you experience

something

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for the first time. Plus it was my 7th day in a row of training, I wasn't up for too many
heroics that day.

Quess what we're doing everytime when the new year starts, sometimes we have to break the ice

that's COLD.

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Boys and Girls You should try and come over to Ireland to where the real sea swimming

takes

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place. Just this weekend we swam from Copeland Islands to Donaghdee. Around 2.5 miles, and the
temperture was 51F. That's real sea swimming!!

Keith

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> "Martin W. Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> > DaKitty wrote:
> > > I think water being that cold down here was a bit of a fluke.

Usually

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> it's
> > > much closer to 70F which is quite fine for me.
> >
> > Where are you?
> >
> > martin
>
> Southern California 🙂

Well, the water is cold there because of the current. Still, 65 is not terribly cold.
Actually, the water in the Oslo fjord is warmer than Southern California in the summer. It is
often above normal pool temperature.

Yea, 63 or 65Fit's not terribly cold. Although, after swimming in a pool, and in the 70F ocean,
swimming in

65F

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for the first time will get you, um, puzzled, to say the least. Few more tries, I'll get used
to it.

I think the strangest thing was, the coach was over on the beach, and

the

Quoted message said:

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rest of the group has already passed me, so I didn't have anyone close

to

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ask, what the heck is going on... You know, when you experience

something

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for the first time. Plus it was my 7th day in a row of training, I wasn't up for too many
heroics that day.

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huh, I've got Goosebumps just reading it. You're braver than I !

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Boys and Girls You should try and come over to Ireland to where the real sea swimming

takes

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place. Just this weekend we swam from Copeland Islands to Donaghdee. Around 2.5 miles, and the
temperture was 51F. That's real sea

swimming!!

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Keith

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> > > DaKitty wrote:
> > > > I think water being that cold down here was a bit of a fluke.
Usually
> > it's
> > > > much closer to 70F which is quite fine for me.
> > >
> > > Where are you?
> > >
> > > martin
> >
> > Southern California 🙂
>
> Well, the water is cold there because of the current. Still, 65 is

not

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> terribly cold. Actually, the water in the Oslo fjord is warmer than Southern California in
> the summer. It is often above normal pool temperature.
>

Yea, 63 or 65Fit's not terribly cold. Although, after swimming in a pool, and in the 70F
ocean, swimming in

65F

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for the first time will get you, um, puzzled, to say the least. Few more tries, I'll get used
to it.

I think the strangest thing was, the coach was over on the beach, and

the

Quoted message said:

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rest of the group has already passed me, so I didn't have anyone close

to

Quoted message said:

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ask, what the heck is going on... You know, when you experience

something

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for the first time. Plus it was my 7th day in a row of training, I wasn't up for too many
heroics that day.