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  1. A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
    ask.

    Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
    much rain?

    When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
    decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
    potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.

    When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
    really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
    Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
    light. We can't even grow grass.

    My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
    they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.

    Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
    not much light?

    --
    Meghan & the Zoo Crew
    Equine and Pet Photography
    http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

  2. "Meghan Noecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
    ask.

    Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
    much rain?

    When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
    decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
    potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.

    When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
    really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
    Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
    light. We can't even grow grass.

    My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
    they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.

    Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
    not much light?

    --
    Meghan & the Zoo Crew
    Equine and Pet Photography
    http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

    Everybody gardens in horrible conditions. This is why it's an adventure.

  3. "Meghan Noecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
    ask.

    Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
    much rain?

    When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
    decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
    potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.

    When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
    really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
    Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
    light. We can't even grow grass.

    My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
    they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.

    Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
    not much light?

    --
    Meghan & the Zoo Crew
    Equine and Pet Photography
    http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

    Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade gardening:
    "The Complete Shade Gardener"
    by George Schenk

    It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables. Very
    interesting.

  4. Doug Kanter said:


    Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade gardening:
    "The Complete Shade Gardener"
    by George Schenk

    It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables. Very
    interesting.

    Thanks!

    I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
    much.

    --
    Meghan & the Zoo Crew
    Equine and Pet Photography
    http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

  5. "Meghan Noecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Doug Kanter said:


    Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
    gardening:
    "The Complete Shade Gardener"
    by George Schenk

    It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables. Very
    interesting.

    Thanks!

    I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
    much.

    Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
    buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
    dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.

  6. [email hidden] (Meghan Noecker) hitched up their panties and
    posted news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
    ask.

    Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
    much rain?

    Steven purchased (as a joke), a miner's hat for people the go into the
    mines to work, for me as a birthday gift. It was because I was out there
    in the dark gardening.

    Quoted message said:


    When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
    decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
    potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.

    We don't have a lot of sunshine but spots around the house get decent sun.
    I'm not naive enough about gardening to try veggies but I do manage some
    fairly decent chiles. I put them in pots so I can move them around.

    Quoted message said:


    When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
    really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
    Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
    light. We can't even grow grass.

    My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
    they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.

    Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
    not much light?

    It was Debra (I think) and she grows baby letuces in a smaller pot. I'm
    going to try that this year from seed. I grow a lot of different chiles in
    pots. I just know tomatoes wouldn't make it around here. It's too shady
    and we have too many raccoons and squirrels.

    It can be 90 degrees outside but it will still be 70 degrees in the back
    yard. We've had 3 trees removed and it's still shady althouth the day
    lillies do wonderfully.

    Michael

    --
    "The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
    served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
    found."

    --Calvin Trillin

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Meghan Noecker) said:

    A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
    ask.

    Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
    much rain?

    When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
    decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
    potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.

    When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
    really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
    Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
    light. We can't even grow grass.

    My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
    they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.

    Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
    not much light?

    --
    Meghan & the Zoo Crew

    Mushrooms.

    And I'm not kidding.
    Your conditions are ideal.
    Go here for spawn and instructions:

    http://www.fungiperfecti.com/

    Water type plants such as cress, wasabi, ginseng and Taro should also do
    well under those conditions.
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Doug Kanter said:

    "Meghan Noecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Doug Kanter said:


    Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
    gardening:
    "The Complete Shade Gardener"
    by George Schenk

    It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables. Very
    interesting.

    Thanks!

    I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
    much.

    Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
    buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
    dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.

    Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
    water? ;-)
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  9. OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and
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    Quoted message said:


    Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
    water? ;-)

    Hostas will survive us all 😉

    Michael

    --
    "The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
    served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
    found."

    --Calvin Trillin

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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Doug Kanter said:

    "Meghan Noecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:47:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >
    >Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
    >gardening:
    >"The Complete Shade Gardener"
    >by George Schenk
    >
    >It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables.
    >Very
    >interesting.
    >
    >

    Thanks!

    I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
    much.

    Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
    buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
    dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.

    Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
    water? ;-)

    Yes. Buy the book.

  11. "Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and
    posted news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Doug Kanter said:

    "Meghan Noecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:47:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
    >>gardening:
    >>"The Complete Shade Gardener"
    >>by George Schenk
    >>
    >>It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on
    >>vegetables. Very
    >>interesting.
    >>
    >>
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
    > much.

    Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to
    stop buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse
    than a dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.

    Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
    water? ;-)

    Yes. Buy the book.

    I'm sold. I'm going to Amazon to find it ;-)

    Michael

    --
    "The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
    served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
    found."

    --Calvin Trillin

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    Quoted message said:

    "Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and
    posted news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > "Meghan Noecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:47:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
    > > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >>Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
    > >>gardening:
    > >>"The Complete Shade Gardener"
    > >>by George Schenk
    > >>
    > >>It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on
    > >>vegetables. Very
    > >>interesting.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > > Thanks!
    > >
    > > I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
    > > much.
    >
    > Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to
    > stop buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse
    > than a dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.
    >
    >

    Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
    water? ;-)

    Yes. Buy the book.

    I'm sold. I'm going to Amazon to find it ;-)

    Michael

    I predict that you, especially, will like his comments. It's not just a dry
    reference book. There's quite a bit of subtle humor in his discussion of
    each plant.

    Since you're in a buying mood, here are two more:

    "The Essential Earthman"
    and
    "One Man's Garden"
    both by the late Henry Mitchell, esteemed garden writer for the Washington
    Post. Each book is a compilation of his newspaper columns, so the chapters
    go quickly, except that you'll find yourself reading them 218 times each.
    Mitchell was a living encyclopedia of plant knowledge, but he had a way of
    making it all sound so easy. I've had the books forever, but they still seem
    fresh any time I look at them.

    Something:
    http://home.austin.rr.com/neumeyers/Mitchell_index.html

  13. Meghan Noecker said:

    Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
    not much light?

    You're pretty much out of luck...try aquaculture, you might be able to grow
    some sea cucumbers.

    --
    Best
    Greg

  14. "Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and
    posted news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    I predict that you, especially, will like his comments. It's not just
    a dry reference book. There's quite a bit of subtle humor in his
    discussion of each plant.

    Since you're in a buying mood, here are two more:

    "The Essential Earthman"
    and
    "One Man's Garden"
    both by the late Henry Mitchell, esteemed garden writer for the
    Washington Post. Each book is a compilation of his newspaper columns,
    so the chapters go quickly, except that you'll find yourself reading
    them 218 times each. Mitchell was a living encyclopedia of plant
    knowledge, but he had a way of making it all sound so easy. I've had
    the books forever, but they still seem fresh any time I look at them.

    Something:
    http://home.austin.rr.com/neumeyers/Mitchell_index.html

    Thanks so much. I will check them out. A copy of "The Complete Shade
    Gardener" by George Schenk is on the way. I got a used copy of it in good
    shape. I'll check out the rest.

    Michael

    --
    "The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
    served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
    found."

    --Calvin Trillin

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Doug Kanter said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Doug Kanter said:

    "Meghan Noecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:47:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
    >>gardening:
    >>"The Complete Shade Gardener"
    >>by George Schenk
    >>
    >>It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables.
    >>Very
    >>interesting.
    >>
    >>
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
    > much.

    Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
    buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
    dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.

    Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
    water? ;-)

    Yes. Buy the book.

    Saved to the desktop for my next Amazon.com coupon. ;-)
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Gregory Morrow"

    Quoted message said:
    Meghan Noecker said:

    Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
    not much light?

    You're pretty much out of luck...try aquaculture, you might be able to grow
    some sea cucumbers.

    No.

    Her conditions are ideal for Mushrooms... and I envy her. ;-)

    Low calorie and delicious!

    I'm fixin' to take down a pair of trees that should never have been
    allowed to mature due to their location. I'll cut the trunks into 3'
    sections and let them sit for a minimum of 2 weeks as per the
    recommendations of the folks selling the plug spawn.

    I'll then innoculate them with some Oyster mushroom and [censored], and am
    being tempted by some Lion's mane... <G> Maitake is a consideration too.
    These are Hackberry wood.

    I'll mark the "up" on them when I cut them down and will put them in
    pots, then in the coolest, most shaded area of the greenhouses.
    Hopefully I'll get a good crop this fall or winter.
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  17. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I'm fixin' to take down a pair of trees that should never have been
    allowed to mature due to their location. I'll cut the trunks into 3'
    sections and let them sit for a minimum of 2 weeks as per the
    recommendations of the folks selling the plug spawn.

    I'll then innoculate them with some Oyster mushroom and [censored], and am
    being tempted by some Lion's mane... <G> Maitake is a consideration too.
    These are Hackberry wood.

    Could you possibly try Hen of the Woods? They look really cool (never seen
    them for sale or eaten them)...

    How about morels?

    --
    Best
    Greg

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Gregory Morrow"

    Quoted message said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    I'm fixin' to take down a pair of trees that should never have been
    allowed to mature due to their location. I'll cut the trunks into 3'
    sections and let them sit for a minimum of 2 weeks as per the
    recommendations of the folks selling the plug spawn.

    I'll then innoculate them with some Oyster mushroom and [censored], and am
    being tempted by some Lion's mane... <G> Maitake is a consideration too.
    These are Hackberry wood.

    Could you possibly try Hen of the Woods? They look really cool (never seen
    them for sale or eaten them)...

    That is what maitake is. ;-)

    http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fungi/Prodinfo.ASP?NUMBER=KGF100&VARIATI
    ON=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1

    Quoted message said:


    How about morels?

    Morels are difficult and have to have just the right environment:

    http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fungi/Prodinfo.ASP?NUMBER=KMA100&VARIATI
    ON=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1

    I'd love to grow Morels but would have to have a seriously protected
    spot for my geographic region. I might try it someday in a more
    controlled setup...

    Read Stammet's book. It's utterly fascinating and well worth the price:

    http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fungi/Prodinfo.ASP?NUMBER=MGGM&VARIATION
    =&AITEM=1&MITEM=1

    Cheers!
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  19. Meghan Noecker said:


    Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
    not much light?

    There are plenty of perennials that do well in low light but there are
    no vegetables/fruits (as in *none*) that will thrive in shade.

    Sheldon

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sheldon said:
    Meghan Noecker said:


    Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
    not much light?

    There are plenty of perennials that do well in low light but there are
    no vegetables/fruits (as in *none*) that will thrive in shade.

    Sheldon

    Wrong.

    I consider mushrooms to be a veggie...... ;-)

    They thrive in shade!
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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