Opinions on fat loss accelerators?

garbage. all garbage.

Larry Hodges said:

I'm considering using one of the products like Lean System 7. I'm currently
12 - 14% BF and simply looking to lean out.

Do they work? If so, any you would recommend? Waste of money? Better done
through diet and save my money? Opinions please.

Yerba mate and guarana: Basically caffeine. You'd be better off
taking some caffeine tabs.

Citrus aurantium or bitter orange: Contains synephrine alkaloids
(SAs). "Overall, studies that examined weight loss reported a loss of
2.4–3.4 kg among participants using SAs, while placebo groups lost
0.94–2.05 kg."[1] However, the preparations involved in those studies
also contained other stuff known to increase metabolism and decrease
appetite, like ephedrine and caffeine. In my experience, citrus
aurantium does help to decrease appetite briefly, but the effect is
marginal and not long-lasting. In addition, most citrus aurantium
preparations suggest a dosage of 80-120mg of SAs per day; that would
required about 15 of these pills.

Dandelion: It's a diruetic. It will make you lose weight by peeing
more and dehydrating you.

7-keto DHEA: The increase in thyroid hormone caused by ingestion of
7-keto DHEA drops back to baseline after a short period of time.[2]
That's supposed to be the primary action of this stuff, so any fat
loss benefit from hyperthyroidism won't last long.

Just keep repeating, Larry: "There is no magic bullet ... there is no
magic bullet ... there is no magic bullet ..."

[1] Haaz S, Fontaine KR, Cutter G, Limdi N, Perumean-Chaney S, Allison
DB. Citrus aurantium and synephrine alkaloids in the treatment of
overweight and obesity: an update. Obes Rev. 2006 Feb;7(1):79-88.

[2] Hampl R, Sulcova J, Bilek R, Hill M. How short-term transdermal
treatment of men with 7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone influence thyroid
function. Physiol Res. 2006;55(1):49-54.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

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Quoted message said:

Larry Hodges said:

I'm considering using one of the products like Lean System 7. I'm
currently
12 - 14% BF and simply looking to lean out.

Do they work? If so, any you would recommend? Waste of money? Better
done
through diet and save my money? Opinions please.

Yerba mate and guarana: Basically caffeine. You'd be better off
taking some caffeine tabs.

Citrus aurantium or bitter orange: Contains synephrine alkaloids
(SAs). "Overall, studies that examined weight loss reported a loss of
2.4-3.4 kg among participants using SAs, while placebo groups lost
0.94-2.05 kg."[1] However, the preparations involved in those studies
also contained other stuff known to increase metabolism and decrease
appetite, like ephedrine and caffeine. In my experience, citrus
aurantium does help to decrease appetite briefly, but the effect is
marginal and not long-lasting. In addition, most citrus aurantium
preparations suggest a dosage of 80-120mg of SAs per day; that would
required about 15 of these pills.

Dandelion: It's a diruetic. It will make you lose weight by peeing
more and dehydrating you.

7-keto DHEA: The increase in thyroid hormone caused by ingestion of
7-keto DHEA drops back to baseline after a short period of time.[2]
That's supposed to be the primary action of this stuff, so any fat
loss benefit from hyperthyroidism won't last long.

Just keep repeating, Larry: "There is no magic bullet ... there is no
magic bullet ... there is no magic bullet ..."

[1] Haaz S, Fontaine KR, Cutter G, Limdi N, Perumean-Chaney S, Allison
DB. Citrus aurantium and synephrine alkaloids in the treatment of
overweight and obesity: an update. Obes Rev. 2006 Feb;7(1):79-88.

[2] Hampl R, Sulcova J, Bilek R, Hill M. How short-term transdermal
treatment of men with 7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone influence thyroid
function. Physiol Res. 2006;55(1):49-54.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

Figured so, but I'm always open to anything that works. I'll just stay with
what I'm doing. Thanks John.

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Larry Hodges said:

I'm considering using one of the products like Lean System 7. I'm
currently
12 - 14% BF and simply looking to lean out.

Do they work? If so, any you would recommend? Waste of money? Better
done
through diet and save my money? Opinions please.

Yerba mate and guarana: Basically caffeine. You'd be better off
taking some caffeine tabs.

Citrus aurantium or bitter orange: Contains synephrine alkaloids
(SAs). "Overall, studies that examined weight loss reported a loss of
2.4-3.4 kg among participants using SAs, while placebo groups lost
0.94-2.05 kg."[1] However, the preparations involved in those studies
also contained other stuff known to increase metabolism and decrease
appetite, like ephedrine and caffeine. In my experience, citrus
aurantium does help to decrease appetite briefly, but the effect is
marginal and not long-lasting. In addition, most citrus aurantium
preparations suggest a dosage of 80-120mg of SAs per day; that would
required about 15 of these pills.

Dandelion: It's a diruetic. It will make you lose weight by peeing
more and dehydrating you.

7-keto DHEA: The increase in thyroid hormone caused by ingestion of
7-keto DHEA drops back to baseline after a short period of time.[2]
That's supposed to be the primary action of this stuff, so any fat
loss benefit from hyperthyroidism won't last long.

Just keep repeating, Larry: "There is no magic bullet ... there is no
magic bullet ... there is no magic bullet ..."

[1] Haaz S, Fontaine KR, Cutter G, Limdi N, Perumean-Chaney S, Allison
DB. Citrus aurantium and synephrine alkaloids in the treatment of
overweight and obesity: an update. Obes Rev. 2006 Feb;7(1):79-88.

[2] Hampl R, Sulcova J, Bilek R, Hill M. How short-term transdermal
treatment of men with 7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone influence thyroid
function. Physiol Res. 2006;55(1):49-54.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

Figured so, but I'm always open to anything that works. I'll just stay
with what I'm doing. Thanks John.

Uhh, Larry, I will sell you some magic bullets.

These are authentic magic bullets which were only slightly used by an old
Cherokee medicine man. I only have a few available for sale. So I will have
to get top dollar for them.

E-mail me if interested.

Lee Michaels said:

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"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I'm considering using one of the products like Lean System 7. I'm
>currently
>12 - 14% BF and simply looking to lean out.
>
>Do they work? If so, any you would recommend? Waste of money? Better
>done
>through diet and save my money? Opinions please.

Yerba mate and guarana: Basically caffeine. You'd be better off
taking some caffeine tabs.

Citrus aurantium or bitter orange: Contains synephrine alkaloids
(SAs). "Overall, studies that examined weight loss reported a loss of
2.4-3.4 kg among participants using SAs, while placebo groups lost
0.94-2.05 kg."[1] However, the preparations involved in those studies
also contained other stuff known to increase metabolism and decrease
appetite, like ephedrine and caffeine. In my experience, citrus
aurantium does help to decrease appetite briefly, but the effect is
marginal and not long-lasting. In addition, most citrus aurantium
preparations suggest a dosage of 80-120mg of SAs per day; that would
required about 15 of these pills.

Dandelion: It's a diruetic. It will make you lose weight by peeing
more and dehydrating you.

7-keto DHEA: The increase in thyroid hormone caused by ingestion of
7-keto DHEA drops back to baseline after a short period of time.[2]
That's supposed to be the primary action of this stuff, so any fat
loss benefit from hyperthyroidism won't last long.

Just keep repeating, Larry: "There is no magic bullet ... there is no
magic bullet ... there is no magic bullet ..."

[1] Haaz S, Fontaine KR, Cutter G, Limdi N, Perumean-Chaney S, Allison
DB. Citrus aurantium and synephrine alkaloids in the treatment of
overweight and obesity: an update. Obes Rev. 2006 Feb;7(1):79-88.

[2] Hampl R, Sulcova J, Bilek R, Hill M. How short-term transdermal
treatment of men with 7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone influence thyroid
function. Physiol Res. 2006;55(1):49-54.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

Figured so, but I'm always open to anything that works. I'll just stay
with what I'm doing. Thanks John.

Uhh, Larry, I will sell you some magic bullets.

These are authentic magic bullets which were only slightly used by an old
Cherokee medicine man. I only have a few available for sale. So I will have
to get top dollar for them.

E-mail me if interested.

"lsu_fan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm 16 and about 6'4 205lbs. I lift every Monday and Thursday full
body work outs squat,bench, incline,power cleans. I take a whey protein
weight gainer every lifting day before school. On every other day we go
outside and do agility's so I don't take it. As an offensive lineman i
need to gain weight and can't find a way. I need to be about 250 by
the start of football season. ANY IDEAS?

David the Oz replied:

"I have an idea. Drop this [censored] group and go to
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/
You will get some worthwhile info. You are wasting your time here"

Lee Michaels' response to Larry, will confirm that which David
recommended is good advice.

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm considering using one of the products like Lean System 7. I'm

currently

Quoted message said:

12 - 14% BF and simply looking to lean out.

Do they work? If so, any you would recommend? Waste of money? Better

done

Quoted message said:

through diet and save my money? Opinions please.

Just do the ol' ECA stack. It may be tough to get the E in Portland. I can
get ephedrine here in Utah. Email me if you want some.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Larry Hodges said:

I'm considering using one of the products like Lean System 7. I'm currently
12 - 14% BF and simply looking to lean out.

Do they work?

Some do, some don't.

Quoted message said:

If so, any you would recommend?

Ephedrine and caff from CVS or the net.

Quoted message said:

Waste of money? Better done
through diet and save my money? Opinions please.

Northing "natural" to date has been found to be as effective as EC,
which is cheap and effective. Things like green tea extracts, yohimbine,
7 keto DHEA, etc may help also.

Quoted message said:

-Larry

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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Lee Michaels said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I'm considering using one of the products like Lean System 7. I'm
>>currently
>>12 - 14% BF and simply looking to lean out.
>>
>>Do they work? If so, any you would recommend? Waste of money? Better
>>done
>>through diet and save my money? Opinions please.
>
> Yerba mate and guarana: Basically caffeine. You'd be better off
> taking some caffeine tabs.
>
> Citrus aurantium or bitter orange: Contains synephrine alkaloids
> (SAs). "Overall, studies that examined weight loss reported a loss of
> 2.4-3.4 kg among participants using SAs, while placebo groups lost
> 0.94-2.05 kg."[1] However, the preparations involved in those studies
> also contained other stuff known to increase metabolism and decrease
> appetite, like ephedrine and caffeine. In my experience, citrus
> aurantium does help to decrease appetite briefly, but the effect is
> marginal and not long-lasting. In addition, most citrus aurantium
> preparations suggest a dosage of 80-120mg of SAs per day; that would
> required about 15 of these pills.
>
> Dandelion: It's a diruetic. It will make you lose weight by peeing
> more and dehydrating you.
>
> 7-keto DHEA: The increase in thyroid hormone caused by ingestion of
> 7-keto DHEA drops back to baseline after a short period of time.[2]
> That's supposed to be the primary action of this stuff, so any fat
> loss benefit from hyperthyroidism won't last long.
>
> Just keep repeating, Larry: "There is no magic bullet ... there is no
> magic bullet ... there is no magic bullet ..."
>
> [1] Haaz S, Fontaine KR, Cutter G, Limdi N, Perumean-Chaney S, Allison
> DB. Citrus aurantium and synephrine alkaloids in the treatment of
> overweight and obesity: an update. Obes Rev. 2006 Feb;7(1):79-88.
>
> [2] Hampl R, Sulcova J, Bilek R, Hill M. How short-term transdermal
> treatment of men with 7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone influence thyroid
> function. Physiol Res. 2006;55(1):49-54.
>
> --
>
> JMW
> http://www.rustyiron.net

Figured so, but I'm always open to anything that works. I'll just stay
with what I'm doing. Thanks John.

Uhh, Larry, I will sell you some magic bullets.

These are authentic magic bullets which were only slightly used by an old
Cherokee medicine man. I only have a few available for sale. So I will
have
to get top dollar for them.

E-mail me if interested.

"lsu_fan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm 16 and about 6'4 205lbs. I lift every Monday and Thursday full
body work outs squat,bench, incline,power cleans. I take a whey protein
weight gainer every lifting day before school. On every other day we go
outside and do agility's so I don't take it. As an offensive lineman i
need to gain weight and can't find a way. I need to be about 250 by
the start of football season. ANY IDEAS?

David the Oz replied:

"I have an idea. Drop this [censored] group and go to
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/
You will get some worthwhile info. You are wasting your time here"

Lee Michaels' response to Larry, will confirm that which David
recommended is good advice.

Lee is not that much different from TBR, They both are under the illusion
that they are hilarious

WillBrink said:

Larry Hodges said:

I'm considering using one of the products like Lean System 7. I'm currently
12 - 14% BF and simply looking to lean out.

Do they work?

Some do, some don't.

Quoted message said:

If so, any you would recommend?

Ephedrine and caff from CVS or the net.

Quoted message said:

Waste of money? Better done
through diet and save my money? Opinions please.

Northing "natural" to date has been found to be as effective as EC,
which is cheap and effective. Things like green tea extracts, yohimbine,
7 keto DHEA, etc may help also.

I dunno about 7-keto DHEA. The only study I saw with a positive
effect (the one cited by all the supplement sellers), is an abstract
on JEPonline regarding some clinical trials with rather lackluster
results: with exercise, the 7-keto group lost 1.44kg over four weeks,
as opposed to 0.49kg in the placebo group. Two pounds more over four
weeks? Plus they used 200mg per day. At the cheapest price I've seen
(with shipping), that's a good $25.00 for two extra pounds over four
weeks. And as I noted before, it appears there may be leveling off of
the hyperthyroidic effect over time.

On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:46:34 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Lee is not that much different from TBR, They both are under the illusion
that they are hilarious

You trying to say I'm NOT hilaryass?

I have tried a lot of "fat burners" from my experience (I lost more
than 70lbs). I can tell you that most of those products are just
marketing hype.

Some of them may be efficient and but when my personal training clients
asked me about "fat burners" I tell them that before you buy anything
to take a look at Will Brink's Diet Supplements Revealed .

Actually right now, They are giving away free extracts from the e-book
so you can see inside at exactly what products is being reviewed. He'll
tell you what really works and what is just *marketing hype*

Just go here
http://snipurl.com/nwtc

They will send you the extract's immediately.
__________________________________
http://www.charlesblain.com

On 4 Apr 2006 03:55:54 -0700, "Charles Blain" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Some of them may be efficient and but when my personal training clients
asked me about "fat burners" I tell them that before you buy anything
to take a look at Will Brink's Diet Supplements Revealed .

Actually right now, They are giving away free extracts from the e-book
so you can see inside at exactly what products is being reviewed. He'll
tell you what really works and what is just *marketing hype*

You dumbass, he owns stock in the [censored] he's pushing. I got some land
in florida I'd like to sell you.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Charles Blain said:

I have tried a lot of "fat burners" from my experience (I lost more
than 70lbs). I can tell you that most of those products are just
marketing hype.

Some of them may be efficient and but when my personal training clients
asked me about "fat burners" I tell them that before you buy anything
to take a look at Will Brink's Diet Supplements Revealed .

Actually right now, They are giving away free extracts from the e-book
so you can see inside at exactly what products is being reviewed. He'll
tell you what really works and what is just *marketing hype*

BTW, version 3 will be out shortly with another 40 or so compounds
reviewed.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

On 4 Apr 2006 03:55:54 -0700, "Charles Blain" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Some of them may be efficient and but when my personal training clients
asked me about "fat burners" I tell them that before you buy anything
to take a look at Will Brink's Diet Supplements Revealed .

Actually right now, They are giving away free extracts from the e-book
so you can see inside at exactly what products is being reviewed. He'll
tell you what really works and what is just *marketing hype*

You dumbass, he owns stock in the [censored] he's pushing.

He does? And what would those be exactly? Do tell!

Quoted message said:

I got some land
in florida I'd like to sell you.

Just sold some land in Main actually, so no thanx.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/