Re: Frilegh Starts The TPD!!!!!

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:43:43 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dear Dandy Dr. Andy,

It's 5;30 a.m. and my stomach thinks my throat has been cut but the
scale is already missing a few pounds.

lol

What was your original average daily consumption?

In article <[email hidden]>, *Mu*

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:43:43 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dear Dandy Dr. Andy,

It's 5;30 a.m. and my stomach thinks my throat has been cut but the
scale is already missing a few pounds.

lol

What was your original average daily consumption?

I never did it, but started 2PD as soon as I read the FAQs I had
excellent recall about a number of items that were magically finding
theirway down my gullet with only semi conscious tallying by me. I was
into measuring by the handful or unit at that time.

Now, back to the Future!

--
Diva
*************
The Best Man for the Job is a Woman

Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, rosie

readandpost said:

question:

on this 2PD do you pit your fruit before you weigh it?

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

ever wonder if we would care more about each other if we realized how much we
have in common?
.............................R. Nagy

Yes, I had a necatarine and weighed the pit after and subtracted it
from the weight of the fruit.

Uh-oh, you expended extra work for a morsel of food that probably was
less than half an ounce if even that. That's the psychology of
"living to eat." You'll need to overcome this to keep food from
staying at the center of your life.

Regards,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:59:22 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What was your original average daily consumption?

I never did it, but started 2PD as soon as I read the FAQs I had
excellent recall about a number of items that were magically finding
theirway down my gullet with only semi conscious tallying by me. I was
into measuring by the handful or unit at that time.

Not good, Carol. Here's why.

Suppose you started at 5 pounds per day. Dropped to two. Guaranteed
that your body and appetite will not like you. the starting weight
measurement is important so that you can follow the simple rules of
volumetric decrease.

Then, if you were only eating say 3 pounds per day, this drop to two
becomes much easier. Either way, you learned something about food
volumes that you did not know before.

A big chunk(g) of the 2PD is the realization of where you were to
where you are going. It is an essential piece of deprogramming.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yes, I had a necatarine and weighed the pit after and subtracted it
from the weight of the fruit.

On 11 Jul 2003 16:00:32 -0700, [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B.

Chung said:

Uh-oh, you expended extra work for a morsel of food that probably was
less than half an ounce if even that. That's the psychology of
"living to eat." You'll need to overcome this to keep food from
staying at the center of your life.

I wonder if Carol is just being attentive to detail or fighting for
each little ounce she can have.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:01:06 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ever wonder if we would care more about each other if we realized how much we
have in common?
.............................R. Nagy

Yes, I had a necatarine and weighed the pit after and subtracted it
from the weight of the fruit.

It seems to me that you should only have to weigh a fruit once. Take
an "average" sized apple, peach, banana, etc (subtract the pits and
peel the oranges if you want"😉 and weigh them once and write the
weights down. Future fruits might be a little bigger or a little
smaller but I suspect everything will come out in the wash.

--
Ron Ritzman
http://www.panix.com/~ritzlart
Smart people can figure out my email address

In article <[email hidden]>, *Mu*

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yes, I had a necatarine and weighed the pit after and subtracted it
from the weight of the fruit.

On 11 Jul 2003 16:00:32 -0700, [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B.

Chung said:

Uh-oh, you expended extra work for a morsel of food that probably was
less than half an ounce if even that. That's the psychology of
"living to eat." You'll need to overcome this to keep food from
staying at the center of your life.

I wonder if Carol is just being attentive to detail or fighting for
each little ounce she can have.

Attentive, to be sure.

It's 10:00 p.m. and i still have a 5 oz, credit balance.
I am creative about food and see no reason not to enjoy what IS allowed
on 2PD. Of course if it will make you happy I can swallow the pit LOL!

Also by proving the food here can be "primo" it may make it appealing
to the doubters.

Today:

Breakfast: 1 egg omelet with fresh tomato and mushroom sauce, grated
Parmesan and basil, o.j.

Lunch; grilled chicken, baby green beans, blueberries with honey and
slivered almonds, spinach salad with garlic and olive oil dressing

Dinner: Zucchini with melted cheddar, toasted almonds and balance of
tomato sauce

Later; 3 oz. baked sausage

Still 5 oz. left
Likely some strawberries

I've been weighing my juice.is that how it's done?

--
Diva
*************
The Best Man for the Job is a Woman

In article <[email hidden]>, *Mu*

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:59:22 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What was your original average daily consumption?

I never did it, but started 2PD as soon as I read the FAQs I had
excellent recall about a number of items that were magically finding
theirway down my gullet with only semi conscious tallying by me. I was
into measuring by the handful or unit at that time.

Not good, Carol. Here's why.

Suppose you started at 5 pounds per day. Dropped to two. Guaranteed
that your body and appetite will not like you. the starting weight
measurement is important so that you can follow the simple rules of
volumetric decrease.

Then, if you were only eating say 3 pounds per day, this drop to two
becomes much easier. Either way, you learned something about food
volumes that you did not know before.

A big chunk(g) of the 2PD is the realization of where you were to
where you are going. It is an essential piece of deprogramming.

Remember I am already vascillating between two to three pounds above
goal and have limted my intake most of the time for three years. (lost
86)
Too late now. The 2 pounds seems about right to me so far.

--
Diva
*************
The Best Man for the Job is a Woman

Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, *Mu*

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Yes, I had a necatarine and weighed the pit after and subtracted it
> from the weight of the fruit.

On 11 Jul 2003 16:00:32 -0700, [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B.

Chung said:

Uh-oh, you expended extra work for a morsel of food that probably was
less than half an ounce if even that. That's the psychology of
"living to eat." You'll need to overcome this to keep food from
staying at the center of your life.

I wonder if Carol is just being attentive to detail or fighting for
each little ounce she can have.

Attentive, to be sure.

It's 10:00 p.m. and i still have a 5 oz, credit balance.
I am creative about food and see no reason not to enjoy what IS allowed
on 2PD. Of course if it will make you happy I can swallow the pit LOL!

Also by proving the food here can be "primo" it may make it appealing
to the doubters.

Today:

Breakfast: 1 egg omelet with fresh tomato and mushroom sauce, grated
Parmesan and basil, o.j.

Lunch; grilled chicken, baby green beans, blueberries with honey and
slivered almonds, spinach salad with garlic and olive oil dressing

Dinner: Zucchini with melted cheddar, toasted almonds and balance of
tomato sauce

Later; 3 oz. baked sausage

Still 5 oz. left
Likely some strawberries

I've been weighing my juice.is that how it's done?

Yes. It is more substantial than water :-)

You certainly are having a lot of variety. I am just imagining all
the perishables languishing in the corners of your kitchen waiting to
be eaten. I hope you are also cutting back on the shopping.

Regards,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com

In article <[email hidden]>, Dr.

Andrew B. Chung said:

You certainly are having a lot of variety.

And why would I not especially if this is to be long term? Cutting down
is not cutting out and this holds true of the 2PD for me.

Quoted message said:

I am just imagining all
the perishables languishing in the corners of your kitchen waiting to
be eaten. I hope you are also cutting back on the shopping.

I have always had my animal protein "portion packed" in individual
units of 4 oz. and keep it in the freezer. I shop more often for
smaller amounts of fresh produce and was pleasantly surprised to find a
generous chunk of cheese was about 2 oz. and gave rich texture to the
zucchini with toasted almonds with fresh tomato sauce, yesterday.

Today I'll be making an individual cheesecake of pressed cottage
cheese, honey, yogurt and an egg which will be under 6 oz. and with
added fruit will be a fine breakfast or lunch. It is made in seconds
using a hand blender and bakes for 30 minutes. Actually 2pd does not
present any major changes in my food preparation. It does justify the
expense I went to to get a large and attractive food scale (about $30
U.S.) earlier this year.

--
Diva
*************
The Best Man for the Job is a Woman

Carol Frilegh said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dr.

Andrew B. Chung said:

You certainly are having a lot of variety.

And why would I not especially if this is to be long term? Cutting down
is not cutting out and this holds true of the 2PD for me.

Not a problem. It does make nutritional deficiencies at the level of
vitamins, minerals and essential amino acids all the more unlikely.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am just imagining all
the perishables languishing in the corners of your kitchen waiting to
be eaten. I hope you are also cutting back on the shopping.

I have always had my animal protein "portion packed" in individual
units of 4 oz. and keep it in the freezer. I shop more often for
smaller amounts of fresh produce and was pleasantly surprised to find a
generous chunk of cheese was about 2 oz. and gave rich texture to the
zucchini with toasted almonds with fresh tomato sauce, yesterday.

You clearly sound like someone who enjoys her food :-)

Quoted message said:

Today I'll be making an individual cheesecake of pressed cottage
cheese, honey, yogurt and an egg which will be under 6 oz. and with
added fruit will be a fine breakfast or lunch. It is made in seconds
using a hand blender and bakes for 30 minutes. Actually 2pd does not
present any major changes in my food preparation. It does justify the
expense I went to to get a large and attractive food scale (about $30
U.S.) earlier this year.

--
Diva
*************
The Best Man for the Job is a Woman

Ok :-)

Regards,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

In article <[email hidden]>, Dr. Andrew B. Chung,

MD/PhD said:

You clearly sound like someone who enjoys her food :-)

I take issue at "the eat to live" philosophy as sex is not practiced by
most strictly for procreation.

Why should food be ONLY fuel when nature has set it up as a pleasure
response (originally for survival and now for fuve star chefs :-)?

Quoted message said:

I want to keep my fitness plan, and remain toned but stay about three
pounds below what I am now.

i am curious, about the 3lb bit, do your clothes fit differently or something?
is it just an OBJECTIONABLE number?
if someone came in and adjusted your scale, (those 3lbs) would you notice?

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:22:43 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've been weighing my juice.is that how it's done?

Which brings us to the discussion of why you weigh food on the first
place.

Not only is it about an education about total food intakes (almost
everyone is surprised st the real amounts we eat), it is about the
food volumes that pass thru your stomach.

The stomach is a muscular organ with a distensible membrane. The more
you distend it, the more it likes to be and expects to be. The less
you do, the less it wants to be distended. Simple enough, eh?

Because the stomach is not sensitive to macronutrient mix when it
comes to feeling "full" or triggering a decrease or removal of the
urge to eat. It doesn't care whether you put 2 pounds of <fill in
food> thru it. 2 pounds is two pounds. Volume is volume.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:25:22 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A big chunk(g) of the 2PD is the realization of where you were to
where you are going. It is an essential piece of deprogramming.

Quoted message said:

Remember I am already vascillating between two to three pounds above
goal and have limted my intake most of the time for three years. (lost
86)
Too late now. The 2 pounds seems about right to me so far.

You did not have too far to "fall" if you were at 3 pounds of intake.
Glad the transition is easy. It usually is for those with only a 1/3
drop in volume.

Expect your weight loss to be slow but steady.

In article <[email hidden]>, rosie

readandpost said:

Quoted message said:

I want to keep my fitness plan, and remain toned but stay about three
pounds below what I am now.

i am curious, about the 3lb bit, do your clothes fit differently or something?
is it just an OBJECTIONABLE number?
if someone came in and adjusted your scale, (those 3lbs) would you notice?

Three pounds of food or three pounds of a person's body weight.

you made me trouble with the nectarine pit :-)

Now what? LOL

"*Mu*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:22:43 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've been weighing my juice.is that how it's done?

Which brings us to the discussion of why you weigh food on the first
place.

Not only is it about an education about total food intakes (almost
everyone is surprised st the real amounts we eat), it is about the
food volumes that pass thru your stomach.

The stomach is a muscular organ with a distensible membrane. The more
you distend it, the more it likes to be and expects to be. The less
you do, the less it wants to be distended. Simple enough, eh?

Because the stomach is not sensitive to macronutrient mix when it
comes to feeling "full" or triggering a decrease or removal of the
urge to eat. It doesn't care whether you put 2 pounds of <fill in
food> thru it. 2 pounds is two pounds. Volume is volume.

What about density? 2 pounds of this has differnt volume than 2 pounds of
that.

*Mu* said:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:22:43 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Today:

Breakfast: 1 egg omelet with fresh tomato and mushroom sauce, grated
Parmesan and basil, o.j.

Lunch; grilled chicken, baby green beans, blueberries with honey and
slivered almonds, spinach salad with garlic and olive oil dressing

Dinner: Zucchini with melted cheddar, toasted almonds and balance of
tomato sauce

Later; 3 oz. baked sausage

Still 5 oz. left
Likely some strawberries

I've been weighing my juice.is that how it's done?

Yep.

'Weigh everything you eat or drink...." except water.

Sugar-free drinks, plain tea or coffee (ie without sugar or cream) don't
need to be weighed either.

Regards,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

Roger Zoul said:

What about density? 2 pounds of this has differnt volume than 2 pounds of
that.

Simple experiment you can try at home:

Take two pounds of food and puree it in a blender.

Pour this mush into metric measuring cups (or a 1000 ml graduated cylinder if
you happen to have one lying around :-).

Prediction: The volume will be around 900 mls.

It's science not magic that the prediction works without know the "this and
that."

Comment: Only inorganic substances containing elements higher up on the
periodic table have densities significantly greater than 1 gram per ml. Food
does not contain such substances. Moreover, some foods (especially fat) are
even less dense so that balanced foods are very likely at 1 gram per ml in
density.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/