Very OT: Question re AOL

limey said:

"jay" wrote

limey said:

Quoted message said:

My son has AOL.

Jay, I don't have AOL - my son does. You couldn't pay me to switch. He has
had it for years, from the time his kids were pre-teens. I suppose that's
why he subscribed but why he still keeps it is beyond me.

To Doug and Reg - thanks for the advice. I do have Winzip and will try
doing it that way. That sounds as though it will work.

Dora

<laugh>... sorry I don't read well.. no aol ..good for you..

vernacular = aol does suck.. <g>

limey said:

"jay" wrote

limey said:

Quoted message said:

My son has AOL. Whenever we try to send a group of photos to him, he
tells us he only gets one and we must be doing something wrong.
However, the photos are cc'd to others at the same time and they have no
problems.

Is this something to do with AOL? Do they block things?

Dora

Hello Dora..AOL is not good. If you can and when you can dump 'em. You
don't really need their cutesy little environment or sorry service. I a
betting you can find a better deal also.

Jay, I don't have AOL - my son does. You couldn't pay me to switch. He has
had it for years, from the time his kids were pre-teens. I suppose that's
why he subscribed but why he still keeps it is beyond me.

To Doug and Reg - thanks for the advice. I do have Winzip and will try
doing it that way. That sounds as though it will work.

AOL zips and unzips automatically, with AOL you no longer need to
purchase WinZip... if your son is sending you groups of pictures with
AOL they will definitely be zipped.
What're the extentions on the pictures you send... old extensions like
..tar and .mime, etc. are no longer supported by most ISPs, nor are they
supported by newer PCs.

Tell your son to send the pictures embeded in email, I think AOL allows
up to 15 pictures now, I bet you'll see them. Then if desired you can
copy and paste the pics wherever. If you're sending your son groups of
pics as an unzipped file AOL won't open it. Get WinZip or send him
pics one at a time.

There's nothing wrong with AOL, anyone claiming to have problems simply
doesn't know how to use a PC. I've been using AOL since it was born,
I've never experienced
any of the problems people claim AOL has... people who don't use AOL
and [censored] about it are simply suffering from CCBD and sour grapes.
(Chronic Cheap [censored] Disease)

There are many here who don't have their own ISP or their own PC, they
access the net by stealling services from their employer, many of those
thieves are who [censored] about AOL. Fortunately these days most large
companys block usenet.

Your son stays with AOL because he knows AOL is the best, by far the
best... especially since he has kids.

Sheldon

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Quoted message said:

limey said:

"jay" wrote

limey said:

> My son has AOL. Whenever we try to send a group of photos to him, he
> tells us he only gets one and we must be doing something wrong.
> However, the photos are cc'd to others at the same time and they have
> no
> problems.
>
> Is this something to do with AOL? Do they block things?
>
> Dora

Hello Dora..AOL is not good. If you can and when you can dump 'em.
You
don't really need their cutesy little environment or sorry service. I a
betting you can find a better deal also.

Jay, I don't have AOL - my son does. You couldn't pay me to switch. He
has
had it for years, from the time his kids were pre-teens. I suppose
that's
why he subscribed but why he still keeps it is beyond me.

To Doug and Reg - thanks for the advice. I do have Winzip and will try
doing it that way. That sounds as though it will work.

AOL zips and unzips automatically, with AOL you no longer need to
purchase WinZip... if your son is sending you groups of pictures with
AOL they will definitely be zipped.
What're the extentions on the pictures you send... old extensions like
.tar and .mime, etc. are no longer supported by most ISPs, nor are they
supported by newer PCs.

Tell your son to send the pictures embeded in email, I think AOL allows
up to 15 pictures now, I bet you'll see them. Then if desired you can
copy and paste the pics wherever. If you're sending your son groups of
pics as an unzipped file AOL won't open it. Get WinZip or send him
pics one at a time.

There's nothing wrong with AOL, anyone claiming to have problems simply
doesn't know how to use a PC. I've been using AOL since it was born,
I've never experienced
any of the problems people claim AOL has... people who don't use AOL
and [censored] about it are simply suffering from CCBD and sour grapes.
(Chronic Cheap [censored] Disease)

There are many here who don't have their own ISP or their own PC, they
access the net by stealling services from their employer, many of those
thieves are who [censored] about AOL. Fortunately these days most large
companys block usenet.

Your son stays with AOL because he knows AOL is the best, by far the
best... especially since he has kids.

Sheldon

All [censored]. AOL is to the internet as fruit roll-ups are to food. Intended
for the stupidest of children.

limey said:

My son has AOL. Whenever we try to send a group of photos to him, he
tells us he only gets one and we must be doing something wrong.
However, the photos are cc'd to others at the same time and they have no
problems.

Is this something to do with AOL? Do they block things?

Here's confirmation of your problem.
http://experts.about.com/q/Email-3244/AOL-MIME.htm

And here's the solution:
http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq#aol

My guess is that a die-hard AOL user will *not* use anything but
the AOL mailer, though. If they don't want to use real software,
then that's their tough luck.

I wonder how many AOL'ers use Thunderbird or OE to read mail?
1%? 2% tops.

-sw

Sheldon said:

limey said:

"jay" wrote

limey said:

>My son has AOL. Whenever we try to send a group of photos to him, he
>tells us he only gets one and we must be doing something wrong.
>However, the photos are cc'd to others at the same time and they have no
>problems.
>
>Is this something to do with AOL? Do they block things?
>
>Dora

Hello Dora..AOL is not good. If you can and when you can dump 'em. You
don't really need their cutesy little environment or sorry service. I a
betting you can find a better deal also.

Jay, I don't have AOL - my son does. You couldn't pay me to switch. He has
had it for years, from the time his kids were pre-teens. I suppose that's
why he subscribed but why he still keeps it is beyond me.

To Doug and Reg - thanks for the advice. I do have Winzip and will try
doing it that way. That sounds as though it will work.

AOL zips and unzips automatically, with AOL you no longer need to
purchase WinZip... if your son is sending you groups of pictures with
AOL they will definitely be zipped.
What're the extentions on the pictures you send... old extensions like
.tar and .mime, etc. are no longer supported by most ISPs, nor are they
supported by newer PCs.

ISPs don't need to know about or support *anything* since all they are
doing is providing a transport mechanism to move bytes from one place to
another. It is up to whatever software is running on the client machines
to manipulate the data.

aol has an overdone proprietary toy interface designed to communicate
with other aol users.

Quoted message said:

Tell your son to send the pictures embeded in email, I think AOL allows
up to 15 pictures now, I bet you'll see them. Then if desired you can
copy and paste the pics wherever. If you're sending your son groups of
pics as an unzipped file AOL won't open it. Get WinZip or send him
pics one at a time.

There's nothing wrong with AOL, anyone claiming to have problems simply
doesn't know how to use a PC. I've been using AOL since it was born,
I've never experienced
any of the problems people claim AOL has... people who don't use AOL
and [censored] about it are simply suffering from CCBD and sour grapes.
(Chronic Cheap [censored] Disease)

I don't want, have (or need) aol and I do pay for a real ISP. Let me
give you a clue, it isn't a badge of honor to admit that you use aol.

Quoted message said:

There are many here who don't have their own ISP or their own PC, they
access the net by stealling services from their employer, many of those
thieves are who [censored] about AOL. Fortunately these days most large
companys block usenet.

And you would know this how?

Quoted message said:

Your son stays with AOL because he knows AOL is the best, by far the
best... especially since he has kids.

Sheldon

George said:

Sheldon said:

limey said:

"jay" wrote
limey wrote:

Quoted message said:

I don't want, have (or need) aol and I do pay for a real ISP. Let me
give you a clue, it isn't a badge of honor to admit that you use aol.

Papa had AOL.. then he graduated to WEBtv...lol

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There are many here who don't have their own ISP or their own PC, they
access the net by stealling services from their employer, many of those
thieves are who [censored] about AOL. Fortunately these days most large
companys block usenet.

And you would know this how?

It is ok to make up a few things right! <G>

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Quoted message said:

George said:

Sheldon said:

limey wrote:

>"jay" wrote
> limey wrote:

Quoted message said:

I don't want, have (or need) aol and I do pay for a real ISP. Let me
give you a clue, it isn't a badge of honor to admit that you use aol.

Papa had AOL.. then he graduated to WEBtv...lol

Gag me! That's like swapping head lice for herpes!

Doug Kanter said:

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Quoted message said:

George said:

Sheldon wrote:
> limey wrote:
>
>>"jay" wrote
>> limey wrote:

Quoted message said:

I don't want, have (or need) aol and I do pay for a real ISP. Let me
give you a clue, it isn't a badge of honor to admit that you use aol.

Papa had AOL.. then he graduated to WEBtv...lol

Gag me! That's like swapping head lice for herpes!

Yep!

Sheldon said:

There's nothing wrong with AOL, anyone claiming to have problems
simply doesn't know how to use a PC. I've been using AOL since it
was born, I've never experienced any of the problems people claim
AOL has... people who don't use AOL and [censored] about it are simply
suffering from CCBD and sour grapes. (Chronic Cheap [censored] Disease)

Or cluelessness. I've noticed everyone in this thread who has complained about
AOL attachments is using Outhouse Express, which is apparently as poor a mail
program as it is a newsreader. I've never had a problem with sending or
receiving any binary file from AOL using Eudora. My husband, a software
engineer who works on Linux, Windows and Mac platforms, likes Thunderbird, which
is free and available for for all those operating systems. The mail program
which comes with the Mac OS has no difficulty with this either.

Sunrat said:

Sheldon said:

There's nothing wrong with AOL, anyone claiming to have problems
simply doesn't know how to use a PC. I've been using AOL since it
was born, I've never experienced any of the problems people claim
AOL has... people who don't use AOL and [censored] about it are simply
suffering from CCBD and sour grapes. (Chronic Cheap [censored] Disease)

Or cluelessness. I've noticed everyone in this thread who has complained

about

Quoted message said:

AOL attachments is using Outhouse Express, which is apparently as poor a

mail

Quoted message said:

program as it is a newsreader. I've never had a problem with sending or
receiving any binary file from AOL using Eudora. My husband, a software
engineer who works on Linux, Windows and Mac platforms, likes Thunderbird,

which

Quoted message said:

is free and available for for all those operating systems. The mail

program

Quoted message said:

which comes with the Mac OS has no difficulty with this either.

I use web - based mail clients (MSN, Earthlink) and I've never had any
trouble whatsoever with sending or receiving attachments to or from
AOLer's...

--
Best
Greg

Sunrat said:

Sheldon said:

There's nothing wrong with AOL, anyone claiming to have problems
simply doesn't know how to use a PC. I've been using AOL since it
was born, I've never experienced any of the problems people claim
AOL has... people who don't use AOL and [censored] about it are simply
suffering from CCBD and sour grapes. (Chronic Cheap [censored] Disease)

Or cluelessness. I've noticed everyone in this thread who has complained about
AOL attachments is using Outhouse Express,

I don't know where you got that information. I counted two people
using Outlook Express. The others were using Gnome's Pan, Xnews,
MT-Newswatcher, Mozilla Application Suite, Thunderbird, Forte
Agent, and Dialog.

-sw

Steve Wertz said:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:12:05 -0700, Sunrat wrote:

Quoted message said:

I've noticed everyone in this thread who has complained about

Quoted message said:

AOL attachments is using Outhouse Express,

I don't know where you got that information. I counted two people
using Outlook Express. The others were using Gnome's Pan, Xnews,
MT-Newswatcher, Mozilla Application Suite, Thunderbird, Forte
Agent, and Dialog.

-sw

You are confusing this debate with fact. The husband may be a software
engineer but sunrat can't read a header.

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Quoted message said:

Sheldon said:

There's nothing wrong with AOL, anyone claiming to have problems
simply doesn't know how to use a PC. I've been using AOL since it
was born, I've never experienced any of the problems people claim
AOL has... people who don't use AOL and [censored] about it are simply
suffering from CCBD and sour grapes. (Chronic Cheap [censored] Disease)

Or cluelessness. I've noticed everyone in this thread who has complained
about
AOL attachments is using Outhouse Express, which is apparently as poor a
mail
program as it is a newsreader. I've never had a problem with sending or
receiving any binary file from AOL using Eudora. My husband, a software
engineer who works on Linux, Windows and Mac platforms, likes Thunderbird,
which
is free and available for for all those operating systems. The mail
program
which comes with the Mac OS has no difficulty with this either.

I'm sorry, but there are a few erroneous conclusions here. If a sender's
email contains various levels of attachments, it will appear that way
regardless of how you receive it. Saying that one mail app or another
doesn't have a problem is false unless you've actually used the same message
to test them all. Have you received the ones I get from my acquaintances?

Sunrat said:

Sheldon said:

There's nothing wrong with AOL, anyone claiming to have problems
simply doesn't know how to use a PC. I've been using AOL since it
was born, I've never experienced any of the problems people claim
AOL has... people who don't use AOL and [censored] about it are simply
suffering from CCBD and sour grapes. (Chronic Cheap [censored] Disease)

Or cluelessness. I've noticed everyone in this thread who has complained about
AOL attachments is using Outhouse Express, which is apparently as poor a mail
program as it is a newsreader. I've never had a problem with sending or
receiving any binary file from AOL using Eudora. My husband, a software
engineer who works on Linux, Windows and Mac platforms, likes Thunderbird, which
is free and available for for all those operating systems. The mail program
which comes with the Mac OS has no difficulty with this either.

I posted in this thread and I am sure I am not using outlook express
(which actually seemed to be the minority application).

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Quoted message said:

Sunrat said:

Sheldon said:

There's nothing wrong with AOL, anyone claiming to have problems
simply doesn't know how to use a PC. I've been using AOL since it
was born, I've never experienced any of the problems people claim
AOL has... people who don't use AOL and [censored] about it are simply
suffering from CCBD and sour grapes. (Chronic Cheap [censored] Disease)

Or cluelessness. I've noticed everyone in this thread who has complained
about
AOL attachments is using Outhouse Express, which is apparently as poor a
mail
program as it is a newsreader. I've never had a problem with sending or
receiving any binary file from AOL using Eudora. My husband, a software
engineer who works on Linux, Windows and Mac platforms, likes
Thunderbird, which
is free and available for for all those operating systems. The mail
program
which comes with the Mac OS has no difficulty with this either.

I posted in this thread and I am sure I am not using outlook express
(which actually seemed to be the minority application).

What I find interesting is that people who complain about OE are usually
unable to explain why they don't like it.

Steve Wertz said:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:12:05 -0700, Sunrat wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've noticed everyone in this thread who has complained about AOL
attachments is using Outhouse Express,

I don't know where you got that information. I counted two people
using Outlook Express. The others were using Gnome's Pan, Xnews,
MT-Newswatcher, Mozilla Application Suite, Thunderbird, Forte
Agent, and Dialog.

I'm well aware that many participants in this thread are using different
*newsreaders* (which doesn't necessarily indicate which *mail* programs they
use), but they were not the ones having difficulty with AOL. Two individuals
seemed to:

From: "limey"
Subject: Very OT: Question re AOL
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:22:29 -0400
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869

From: "Doug Kanter"
Subject: Re: Very OT: Question re AOL
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:29:45 GMT

While a couple of others castigated AOL, they couldn't provide reasons why, so I
deleted those posts before replying to another, hence the weighted perspective
on my part.

That said, my understanding is that OE handles MIME encoding/decoding
differently, which very likely accounts for the difficulty sending/receiving
attachments to/from AOL. There are numerous programs which do not have this
issue.

Sunrat said:

While a couple of others castigated AOL, they couldn't provide reasons why, so I
deleted those posts before replying to another, hence the weighted perspective
on my part.

You haven't read very thoroughly. It was pointed out pretty clearly
that AOL's limitations on the number of attachments is less than
acceptable. Real ISPs don't do that.

Why anyone would subject themselves to it is a mystery
to me.

PS - Having a husband who's an engineer isn't much of
a qualification. I wouldn't bother putting it on my
resume if I were you.

--
Reg

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Quoted message said:

While a couple of others castigated AOL, they couldn't provide reasons
why, so I
deleted those posts before replying to another, hence the weighted
perspective
on my part.

That said, my understanding is that OE handles MIME encoding/decoding
differently, which very likely accounts for the difficulty
sending/receiving
attachments to/from AOL. There are numerous programs which do not have
this
issue.

Sounds like it's a combination of shared faults which combine to cause a
train wreck:

Nested messages (*.EML files) is a common problem when messages come
from AOL, WebTV or Netscape. Some mail programs, such as AOL, always do
a Forward as Attachment. Netscape does this by default, but the sender
can do a "Forward Quoted" instead to avoid the problem.

Often the attachment includes "Content-Disposition: inline". Some mail
programs honor this. Unfortunately OE doesn't. With the exception of
images (which is controlled by Tools, Options, Read in OE4 or a registry
setting in OE5), OE will not display attachments Inline. Instead you
have to open each attachment. If a message has been forward 10 times
you need to go down 10 levels of opening attachments.

If they are simple text messages, a quick workaround is to look at the
Message Source (Ctrl-F3).

Sunrat said:

Steve Wertz said:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:12:05 -0700, Sunrat wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've noticed everyone in this thread who has complained about AOL
attachments is using Outhouse Express,

I don't know where you got that information. I counted two people
using Outlook Express. The others were using Gnome's Pan, Xnews,
MT-Newswatcher, Mozilla Application Suite, Thunderbird, Forte
Agent, and Dialog.

I'm well aware that many participants in this thread are using different
*newsreaders* (which doesn't necessarily indicate which *mail* programs they
use), but they were not the ones having difficulty with AOL. Two individuals
seemed to:

How can you tell that everyone complaining about AOL is using
Outlook for reading mail? Nobody said they used Outlook.

Quoted message said:

From: "limey"
Subject: Very OT: Question re AOL
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:22:29 -0400
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869

From: "Doug Kanter"
Subject: Re: Very OT: Question re AOL
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:29:45 GMT

IOW - you used the same method I did for determining which Mailer
you did. And you came up with the same answer I did.

Quoted message said:

While a couple of others castigated AOL, they couldn't provide reasons why, so I
deleted those posts before replying to another, hence the weighted perspective
on my part.

I pointed out exactly why a couple days ago and provided
alternate solutions. I don't care if you read it or not, as you
weren't the OP.

Quoted message said:

That said, my understanding is that OE handles MIME encoding/decoding
differently, which very likely accounts for the difficulty sending/receiving
attachments to/from AOL. There are numerous programs which do not have this
issue.

Which you didn't mention. You just wanted to bash "Outhouse"
(unsubstantiated) the same way we bashed AOL (substantiated).

Regardless, your statement "I've noticed everyone in this thread
who has complained about AOL attachments is using Outhouse
Express" is not correct. And your understanding of how OE
packages attachments is incorrect. There is a known problem
displaying MIME attachments, but not sending them.

-sw