Question for Mozz:

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:52:54 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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Yet you irredeemably imply

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:47:05 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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The rabid fundamentalist says...

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery.

(M. Schwartz) said:

To say whatever happens is God's will and then to say God does no evil
is not logical.

That's the crux of your Pride and your problem. God must fit your
criteria not His.

God is not logical and does not "think" in the same terms you and I
do.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:26:29 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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Do you never stop your trolling malice?

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:56:54 -0400, Mu_nstruck <[email hidden]>

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:22:45 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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The very idea that the substance,

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery.

Are you 'really' a practicing Christian?
Your vitriolic outburst here and in other posts betrays an incredible
amount of hatred, intolerance and lack of manners.
Do you not choose to love thy neighbour as thyself?
Or indeed turn the other cheek?
Have you heard of 'do not judge?'

Respectfully dumbfounded!

Mozz x

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I'll trust God and my Faith and not my interpretation of "theology" as
temporal as human thought is.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but your understanding of Faith in God
is a theological interpretation.

Only to you.

errr.....no, it is a fact that your understanding of faith in God is a
theological interpretation, whether you dispute it or not.

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Why is it that we, as mere mortals, believe, for one instance, that we
have any clue whatsoever of God?

Quite right! Why do we even need to conjure a creator deity in the
first place? Silly really isn't it.

God is not conjured.

God can only be 'believed' in. You cannot 'prove' God, or take me to
visit 'Him' etc...therefore you do conjure him, perhaps a better word
would be 'project'. You project God (usually quite unconsciously) onto
the Universe.
That's not to say your personal 'experience' of God is any less valid
for you.

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Gandhi may reside in Hell.

I will be in excellent company then!

There is no excellent company in Hell.

Well, Gandhi's fantastic company for a start! Did you know he was a
pacifist?

Respectfully loving his christian neighbour,
Mozz x

Mozz said:

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Only to you.

errr.....no, it is a fact that your understanding of faith in God is a
theological interpretation, whether you dispute it or not.

That is your interpretation, not mine.

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God is not conjured.

God can only be 'believed' in. You cannot 'prove' God, or take me to
visit 'Him' etc...therefore you do conjure him, perhaps a better word
would be 'project'. You project God (usually quite unconsciously) onto
the Universe.

I don't project HIm, I believe in Him. I believe He is as real as this
thread and I certainly do not project this thread.

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>Gandhi may reside in Hell.

I will be in excellent company then!

There is no excellent company in Hell.

Well, Gandhi's fantastic company for a start! Did you know he was a
pacifist?

I know that the Ghandis did not believe in christ. By His own
definitions, they are doomed to Hell.

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Respectfully loving his christian neighbour,
Mozz x

Perhaps. We shall see.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:39:57 -0400, Mu_nstruck <[email hidden]>

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Mozz said:

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Only to you.

errr.....no, it is a fact that your understanding of faith in God is a
theological interpretation, whether you dispute it or not.

That is your interpretation, not mine.

Ok, we agree to disagree in the spirit of peace.

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God is not conjured.

God can only be 'believed' in. You cannot 'prove' God, or take me to
visit 'Him' etc...therefore you do conjure him, perhaps a better word
would be 'project'. You project God (usually quite unconsciously) onto
the Universe.

I don't project HIm, I believe in Him. I believe He is as real as this
thread and I certainly do not project this thread.

You can directly show anyone this thread, prove this thread exists.
Unfortunately for you, you cannot do the same for God.
I'm sorry, but you do project your belief in God.

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>>Gandhi may reside in Hell.
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>I will be in excellent company then!

There is no excellent company in Hell.

Well, Gandhi's fantastic company for a start! Did you know he was a
pacifist?

I know that the Ghandis did not believe in christ. By His own
definitions, they are doomed to Hell.

Well in that case you had better watch out yourself, some of your
recent posts to others on this newsgroup have been far from the
command 'Love thy neighbour as thyself' or the command to 'turn the
other cheek' or the command 'do not judge others' etc etc
You may well end up eating REALLY hot curries with Gandhi and
myself!!!

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Respectfully loving his christian neighbour,
Mozz x

Perhaps. We shall see.

What shall we see?

Mozz x

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:11:08 +0100, Mozz wrote:

(Stuff from mu/roose deleted)

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Are you 'really' a practicing Christian?
Your vitriolic outburst here and in other posts betrays an incredible
amount of hatred, intolerance and lack of manners.
Do you not choose to love thy neighbour as thyself?
Or indeed turn the other cheek?
Have you heard of 'do not judge?'

He *is* a curious one, isn't he? What's more, Chung is friends with this
guy; actually supports him. I can't imagine how a holy man like Chung would
have anything to do with mu/roose, given his very un-Christian-like
behavior.

Fencer said:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:11:08 +0100, Mozz wrote:

(Stuff from mu/roose deleted)

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Are you 'really' a practicing Christian?
Your vitriolic outburst here and in other posts betrays an incredible
amount of hatred, intolerance and lack of manners.
Do you not choose to love thy neighbour as thyself?
Or indeed turn the other cheek?
Have you heard of 'do not judge?'

He *is* a curious one, isn't he? What's more, Chung is friends with this
guy; actually supports him. I can't imagine how a holy man like Chung would
have anything to do with mu/roose, given his very un-Christian-like
behavior.

Perhaps it is ok for them to not act in a truly Christian manner
seeing as everything is God's will. They can't help themselves.

Or am I misunderstanding Andrew's version of the Truth?

Mozz said:

Fencer said:

He *is* a curious one, isn't he? What's more, Chung is friends with this
guy; actually supports him. I can't imagine how a holy man like Chung would
have anything to do with mu/roose, given his very un-Christian-like
behavior.

Perhaps it is ok for them to not act in a truly Christian manner
seeing as everything is God's will. They can't help themselves.

Or am I misunderstanding Andrew's version of the Truth?

I fear poor Andrew has hoisted himself on his own petard with his liar
argument.

Actually, I saw a post a while back (sorry I don't remember much about the
details otherwise I could look it up in Google) where Chung seems to imply
that it is OK to attack anyone who is not a Christian. He and someone else
were quoting scriptures and Chung mentioned something about his own kind,
or his brothers, or some such. It was both enlightening and disturbing.

Speaking of which, I have enjoyed reading your clear arguments. Where Chung
and his little buddy failed, *you* may yet point me toward the path of
enlightenment. :-)

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:43:43 -0400, Fencer wrote
(in message <[email hidden]>😉:

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Speaking of which, I have enjoyed reading your clear arguments. Where Chung
and his little buddy failed, *you* may yet point me toward the path of
enlightenment. :-)

Heh, heh. Are you familiar with the phrase "Fat Chance" :-)

Steve

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Perhaps it is ok for them to not act in a truly Christian manner
seeing as everything is God's will. They can't help themselves.

When you become a perfect Buddhist, then I will pay attention to your
judgments.

Until then, you have your god, I have mine and the only real concerns
I have are between Him and me.

Mu_nstruck said:

Mozz said:

Perhaps it is ok for them to not act in a truly Christian manner
seeing as everything is God's will. They can't help themselves.

When you become a perfect Buddhist, then I will pay attention to your
judgments.

You mean the same way you pay attention to Chung because he's a perfect
Christian?

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Until then, you have your god, I have mine and the only real concerns
I have are between Him and me.

Yeah, but you'll still go on spouting nonsense to anyone who will read your
posts.

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I don't project HIm, I believe in Him. I believe He is as real as this
thread and I certainly do not project this thread.

You can directly show anyone this thread, prove this thread exists.
Unfortunately for you, you cannot do the same for God.

Depends on your definition of proof. I have all the proof I need. None
to little of which you would be able to comprehend since you have no
Faith in Christ.

MOF, the fact that there is no worldly, incontrovertible evidence, the
kind you need and does not exist, is part of the great Mystery that I
enjoy about my God.

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I know that the Ghandis did not believe in christ. By His own
definitions, they are doomed to Hell.

Well in that case you had better watch out yourself, some of your
recent posts to others on this newsgroup have been far from the
command 'Love thy neighbour as thyself' or the command to 'turn the
other cheek' or the command 'do not judge others' etc etc.

You don't need to concern yourself with my salvation and you should
know that salvation comes form faith not good or bad deeds.

Id salvation was won by effort, no one would gain it.

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You may well end up eating REALLY hot curries with Gandhi and
myself!!!

Not a chance.

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Respectfully loving his christian neighbour,
Mozz x

Perhaps. We shall see.

What shall we see?

How much love you really have.

Mu_nstruck said:

Depends on your definition of proof. I have all the proof I need. None
to little of which you would be able to comprehend since you have no
Faith in Christ.

Faith and proof are mutually exclusive.

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MOF, the fact that there is no worldly, incontrovertible evidence, the
kind you need and does not exist, is part of the great Mystery that I
enjoy about my God.

Yes, you seem to enjoy things that don't exist or that you don't
understand.

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You don't need to concern yourself with my salvation and you should
know that salvation comes form faith not good or bad deeds.

You mean you can do all the bad deeds you want and still achieve salvation
through faith? No wonder you act the way you do.

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Id salvation was won by effort, no one would gain it.

Ah, pre-destiny! So much for Chung's free-will argument. I guess he was
lying ... or are *you* the liar?

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I don't project HIm, I believe in Him. I believe He is as real as this
thread and I certainly do not project this thread.

You can directly show anyone this thread, prove this thread exists.
Unfortunately for you, you cannot do the same for God.

Depends on your definition of proof. I have all the proof I need. None
to little of which you would be able to comprehend since you have no
Faith in Christ.

Proof denies Faith, and without Faith God is nothing.
You are correct. I have no Faith in your interpretation of the Word.

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MOF, the fact that there is no worldly, incontrovertible evidence, the
kind you need and does not exist, is part of the great Mystery that I
enjoy about my God.

You must also enjoy the lack of worldly incontrovertable evidence and
great Mystery of Santa Claus? The tooth fairy? Big Foot? Flying
Saucers? Alien Abductions? Ghosts (Holy or otherwise)? Faith Healers?
WMD in Iraq? The legitimacy of the Bush administration's election?
oops.......maybe I'm getting too close to the truth here.... ;-)

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I know that the Ghandis did not believe in christ. By His own
definitions, they are doomed to Hell.

Well in that case you had better watch out yourself, some of your
recent posts to others on this newsgroup have been far from the
command 'Love thy neighbour as thyself' or the command to 'turn the
other cheek' or the command 'do not judge others' etc etc.

You don't need to concern yourself with my salvation and you should
know that salvation comes form faith not good or bad deeds.

Are you seriously saying, as a practicing Christian, that your good or
bad deeds are irrelevant to your personal salvation?

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Id salvation was won by effort, no one would gain it.

I thought the Christian party line was that at the day of judgement,
after the shiny trumpets are tooted and the angels flap down with
their lamps etc you will be judged by the Lord? He will look into the
heart's of men (like a spiritual cardiologist!!! - that's a lil joke
ok...) and if you have been a naughty boy and upset people on
newsgroups rather than love them and turn the other cheek etc...or you
have been a bad representative of Christ, you will have to account for
your sins???

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You may well end up eating REALLY hot curries with Gandhi and
myself!!!

Not a chance.

Careful!!! God is listening!!! That sounds like the sin of hubris!!!
(False Pride)....Careful.....

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>Respectfully loving his christian neighbour,
>Mozz x

Perhaps. We shall see.

What shall we see?

How much love you really have.

Oodles and oodles....which is why I want to help you by pointing out
your mistakes....

Loving you dharmically.......

Mozz x

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Perhaps it is ok for them to not act in a truly Christian manner
seeing as everything is God's will. They can't help themselves.

When you become a perfect Buddhist, then I will pay attention to your
judgments.

Why will you only pay attention to someone when they are 'perfect'?
Did Jesus only entertain 'perfect' people or did he take every manner
of person into his confidence?
It is not for me to judge you - I merely ask you if you are behaving
contrary to Christ's commandments.

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Until then, you have your god, I have mine and the only real concerns
I have are between Him and me.

I have no God. I do not believe in a God.
Perhaps it was God's Will that I be sent to question you?

Love
Mozz x

Mu_nstruck said:

Mozz said:

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Only to you.

errr.....no, it is a fact that your understanding of faith in God is a
theological interpretation, whether you dispute it or not.

That is your interpretation, not mine.

You don't understand the idea being advanced here. *Any* concept of
*any* faith in God is, by definition, a theological interpretation.
The word comes from Greek, "theos" (transliterated to Latin as Deus)
and "logos" (into English as "ology."😉 They mean "God" and "study,"
respectively. Theology is the study of God. And the study entails and
demands interpretations since it all happens through transmitted ideas.

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God is not conjured.

God can only be 'believed' in. You cannot 'prove' God, or take me to
visit 'Him' etc...therefore you do conjure him, perhaps a better word
would be 'project'. You project God (usually quite unconsciously) onto
the Universe.

I don't project Him, I believe in Him.

Um, you just repeated the above. The difference is that you don't
understand what this means, either.

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I believe He is as real as this
thread and I certainly do not project this thread.

You also don't understand what "project" in this context means, either.

You're way, way over your head here, Mu_cus. You believe like children
believe in the tooth fairy. No good reason for it, it just is. Easter
bunny. Mario.

Have you ever actually read the Bible or do you just look at the
pictures? I bet you rented the movie, right?

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>>Gandhi may reside in Hell.
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>I will be in excellent company then!

There is no excellent company in Hell.

Well, Gandhi's fantastic company for a start! Did you know he was a
pacifist?

I know that the Ghandis did not believe in christ. By His own
definitions, they are doomed to Hell.

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Respectfully loving his christian neighbour,
Mozz x

Perhaps. We shall see.

You make it sound like you're, like, um, management in the celestial
sphere or something. Trained any, er, angels lately?

Pastorio

Mu_nstruck said:

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:22:45 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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The very idea that the substance,

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

You keep saying this thing about my pants. I wonder why you're so
interested.

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It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery.

What you're interested in has no value to me and, if the scores of
posts that smash you are any indication, not to very many others,
either. I'm not writing to you, [censored], but to anyone reading these
notes. Your opinion is already established as shallow, self-serving,
unintelligent, cowardly, fraudulent, sanctimonious, trolling,
spamming, crossposting, braggardly, empty. There's more bad news, but
why bother. It's only you.

Those questions about why you need several cardiologists for you and
your family, why you went to Chung for something other than a
cardiological question and why somebody had to tell you, the big-deal,
all-knowing, body-wise trainer that you're fat still ring loud,
fishbone. You claim to be lots of stuff that you daily disprove. You
prove many things about yourself, too, sadly.

Your desperate efforts to cancel what I write with your diversionary
bluster is simply funny. Once you read it, so has everyone else. You'd
do better to just let it be.

So tell us more about your experience in Iraq where you talked to
high-ranking Iraqis in their own native tongues, learned their
folkdances, and got them to tell you the truth about themselves. Just
like all POWs do, huh? And not one tried to bribe you for food even
thought they were getting skinnier by the day. Bribe you... POWs have
something to bribe anybody with. Right.

Can you not even see how stupidly uncaring, cruel and inhuman you make
yourself look? Of course not. You really are "nothing."

Pastorio