Re: Cocoa and chocolate for prevention of cardiovascular diseases?

jmk <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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On 11/16/2003 8:47 AM, Matti Narkia wrote:

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Hot Cocoa Tops Red Wine And Tea In Antioxidants; May Be Healthier Choice
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031106051159.htm

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"The beverages tested included a cup of hot water containing two
tablespoons of pure cocoa powder, roughly equivalent to the amount of
cocoa in a normal-size packet of instant hot chocolate;

Just a word about drinking cocoa for those not familiar with drinking
cocoa made from cocoa powder. This does not refer to those sweetend
"hot chocolate mixes" which are mostly brown food colouring. Two
tablespoons of cocoa powder (Cadbury's, Nestle's or Droste, for
example) has a lot of caffeine. You might not want to drink it in the
evening. Also, raw cocoa tastes chalky. You have to not only use
boiling water, you must cook the cocoa for a minute or two on a slow
simmer, in a pot on the stove preferably. (Will the microwave kill
antioxidants in cocoa as it does in broccoli?). If you find the cocoa
taste too harsh, try a drop of vanilla after you remove it from the
stove. Skol. Zee

17 Nov 2003 19:32:22 -0800 in article
<[email hidden]> [email hidden] (Zee)

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jmk <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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On 11/16/2003 8:47 AM, Matti Narkia wrote:

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Hot Cocoa Tops Red Wine And Tea In Antioxidants; May Be Healthier Choice
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031106051159.htm

Quoted message said:

"The beverages tested included a cup of hot water containing two
tablespoons of pure cocoa powder, roughly equivalent to the amount of
cocoa in a normal-size packet of instant hot chocolate;

Just a word about drinking cocoa for those not familiar with drinking
cocoa made from cocoa powder. This does not refer to those sweetend
"hot chocolate mixes" which are mostly brown food colouring. Two
tablespoons of cocoa powder (Cadbury's, Nestle's or Droste, for
example) has a lot of caffeine.

Cocoa's and chocolate's caffeine contents are very low, roughly comparable
to decaffeinated coffee. Instead they have a fair amount of theobromine, a
substance related to caffeine with similar, but a lot milder effects than
caffeine. See

Timely Topic: Caffeine in Beverages and Chocolate
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/dp_fnut/_timely/CAFFEINE.htm

How much caffeine is there in chocolate?
http://family.go.com/recipes/kids/feature/dony199612_ffasknut/dony199612_ffasknut5.html

Chemistry of Theobromine
Chocolate's Caffeine Relative
http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa090301a.htm

What is theine, theobromine, etc?
http://coffeefaq.com/caffaq.html#IsItTrueTea

Caffeine
http://www.esb.utexas.edu/palmer/bio303/group14/CAFFEINE.HTM

Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:29:10 +0200 in article
<[email hidden]> Matti Narkia

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17 Nov 2003 19:32:22 -0800 in article
<[email hidden]> [email hidden] (Zee)

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Just a word about drinking cocoa for those not familiar with drinking
cocoa made from cocoa powder. This does not refer to those sweetend
"hot chocolate mixes" which are mostly brown food colouring. Two
tablespoons of cocoa powder (Cadbury's, Nestle's or Droste, for
example) has a lot of caffeine.

Cocoa's and chocolate's caffeine contents are very low, roughly comparable
to decaffeinated coffee. Instead they have a fair amount of theobromine, a
substance related to caffeine with similar, but a lot milder effects than
caffeine. See

Timely Topic: Caffeine in Beverages and Chocolate
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/dp_fnut/_timely/CAFFEINE.htm

Here's another similar page from Mayo Clinic:

Caffeine content in beverages
<http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectid=FCE68FA4-6B35-4734-BC9C8353BD344421>

Matti Narkia <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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17 Nov 2003 19:32:22 -0800 in article
<[email hidden]> [email hidden] (Zee)

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Just a word about drinking cocoa for those not familiar with drinking
cocoa made from cocoa powder. This does not refer to those sweetend
"hot chocolate mixes" which are mostly brown food colouring. Two
tablespoons of cocoa powder (Cadbury's, Nestle's or Droste, for
example) has a lot of caffeine.

Cocoa's and chocolate's caffeine contents are very low, roughly comparable
to decaffeinated coffee. Instead they have a fair amount of theobromine, a
substance related to caffeine with similar, but a lot milder effects than
caffeine. See

Timely Topic: Caffeine in Beverages and Chocolate
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/dp_fnut/_timely/CAFFEINE.htm

How much caffeine is there in chocolate?
http://family.go.com/recipes/kids/feature/dony199612_ffasknut/dony199612_ffasknut5.html

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Very interesting Matti, thank you. I got varying answers when I
checked with the above sites, and some other sources. From my lipid
clinic's nutritionist, checking with a "Pennington source": one
tablespoon cocoa powder has 10 mg caffeine. Therefore two tablespoons
will have 20 mg caffeine. One fluid ounce espresso has five (5) mg
caffeine, drip coffee 6 ounces, 105 mg caffeine. Cocoa keeps me awake,
and I would never give it to children in the evening. Again I'm not
referring to hot chocolate drinks. And if we use rounded tablespoons,
well so much more caffeine and theobromine to deal with. I'd be
interested to hear what those drinking cocoa have to say regarding how
it affects them. Cheers, ZEE

(Zee) said:

antioxidants in cocoa as it does in broccoli?). If you find the cocoa
taste too harsh, try a drop of vanilla after you remove it from the
stove. Skol. Zee

as a child, we hade milk with cocoa powder and a little butter to
sweeten it. No sugar.