How to make greasy pan pizza crust without burning?

Salty Thumb said:

Hello,

Anybody know the secret to making good tasting greasy pan pizza
crust?

Heavy, black pan. Heat both over and under. The recipe is reasonably
close to the P.H. one, but if you're going to jerk it around and not
follow it, expect lousy results.

Oh, wait. You already got them.

Quoted message said:

I made a dozen or so faux pizza hovel pan pizzas last week using an
Internet recipe and the bottom of the crust usually burnt dark black
and when it didn't burn (by taking out earlier or lowering the temp)
the crust and/or pizza wasn't very tasty). I don't know if I greased
the pan too much, the temperature was too high/too low, needed to use
different pans, grease or what.

I pretty much used the recipe here
http://www.thatsmyhome.com/venettos/pizza/pizza-hut-pizza.htm

Actually, you didn't.

Quoted message said:

except water was whatever temperature a coffee maker spits it out at,
used a dash of salt instead of the 1/2 tsp, did not measure the oil
when greasing the pans (used extra virgin olive oil), didn't use
rolling pin, but flipped it in the air a couple of times, did not
spray the outer edge of dough with Pam or any other spray and I
mostly used 450F instead of 475F because I was using 2 dark non-stick
cake pans (and also one silver one).

This kind of guesswork will fail every time. Congratulations. You
introduced enough variables to keep a team of mathematicians bored for a
long time. The water was too hot - 105F is baby-bottle warm. Salt serves
several purposes in yeast doughs and leaving it out or seriously cutting
quantity makes for different results. I also suspect that your dough
didn't rise because your hot water killed the yeast.

Quoted message said:

Topping was just plain mozzarella cheese and pepperoni.

Exciting.

Pastorio

Bob (this one) said:

Quoted message said:

Topping was just plain mozzarella cheese and pepperoni.

Exciting.

Pastorio

I lived for a number of years with my niece who wouldn't eat any pizza
except pepperoni. Drove me absolutley insane. When she called me the
other day she mentioned that she now likes pizza with multiple
toppings.

There is hope for youth.

-L.

-L said:

I lived for a number of years with my niece who wouldn't eat any pizza
except pepperoni. Drove me absolutley insane. When she called me the
other day she mentioned that she now likes pizza with multiple
toppings.

There is hope for youth.

My ex-girlfriend still won't eat any pizza except pepperoni. She's 38.
Some people never get over being picky.

Bob

"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in news:444b36ea$0
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

-L said:

I lived for a number of years with my niece who wouldn't eat any pizza
except pepperoni. Drove me absolutley insane. When she called me the
other day she mentioned that she now likes pizza with multiple
toppings.

There is hope for youth.

My ex-girlfriend still won't eat any pizza except pepperoni. She's 38.
Some people never get over being picky.

Bob

Jeez, if I would have remembered to get a green pepper I would have put it
some on. But that's about as exciting as it gets. Well, I'm also partial
to ham and pineapple (but without the pepperoni and peppers).

Salty Thumb said:

"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in news:444b36ea$0
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

-L said:

I lived for a number of years with my niece who wouldn't eat any pizza
except pepperoni. Drove me absolutley insane. When she called me the
other day she mentioned that she now likes pizza with multiple
toppings.

There is hope for youth.

My ex-girlfriend still won't eat any pizza except pepperoni. She's 38.
Some people never get over being picky.

Bob

Jeez, if I would have remembered to get a green pepper I would have put it
some on. But that's about as exciting as it gets. Well, I'm also partial
to ham and pineapple (but without the pepperoni and peppers).

I stick with extra cheese, sausage, mushrooms and black olives.
I HATE pepperoni! It's like sticking a spoonful of salt in my mouth.
<shudder>

Too many years on a low sodium kick. You lose your taste for stuff like
that. I've not been able to eat at Arby's for years either.

Om

On Sun 23 Apr 2006 07:33:10a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
OmManiPadmiOmelet?

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Salty Thumb said:

"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in
news:444b36ea$0 [email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

-L wrote:

>I lived for a number of years with my niece who wouldn't eat any pizza
>except pepperoni. Drove me absolutley insane. When she called me the
>other day she mentioned that she now likes pizza with multiple
>toppings.
>
>There is hope for youth.

My ex-girlfriend still won't eat any pizza except pepperoni. She's 38.
Some people never get over being picky.

Bob

Jeez, if I would have remembered to get a green pepper I would have put
it some on. But that's about as exciting as it gets. Well, I'm also
partial to ham and pineapple (but without the pepperoni and peppers).

I stick with extra cheese, sausage, mushrooms and black olives.
I HATE pepperoni! It's like sticking a spoonful of salt in my mouth.
<shudder>

Too many years on a low sodium kick. You lose your taste for stuff like
that. I've not been able to eat at Arby's for years either.

I like most any topping offered for pizza, in certain combinations. While
I love cheese, I can't stand extra cheese on pizza. I choke when I try to
swallow it.

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Sun 23 Apr 2006 07:33:10a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
OmManiPadmiOmelet?

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Salty Thumb said:

"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in
news:444b36ea$0 [email hidden]:

>-L wrote:
>
>
>
>>I lived for a number of years with my niece who wouldn't eat any pizza
>>except pepperoni. Drove me absolutley insane. When she called me the
>>other day she mentioned that she now likes pizza with multiple
>>toppings.
>>
>>There is hope for youth.
>
>
>My ex-girlfriend still won't eat any pizza except pepperoni. She's 38.
>Some people never get over being picky.
>
>Bob
>
>
>

Jeez, if I would have remembered to get a green pepper I would have put
it some on. But that's about as exciting as it gets. Well, I'm also
partial to ham and pineapple (but without the pepperoni and peppers).

I stick with extra cheese, sausage, mushrooms and black olives.
I HATE pepperoni! It's like sticking a spoonful of salt in my mouth.
<shudder>

Too many years on a low sodium kick. You lose your taste for stuff like
that. I've not been able to eat at Arby's for years either.

I like most any topping offered for pizza, in certain combinations. While
I love cheese, I can't stand extra cheese on pizza. I choke when I try to
swallow it.

Take the time to chew better....... :-)

Seriously.

Om

OmManiPadmiOmelet said:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can't stand extra cheese on pizza. I choke when I try to
swallow it.

Take the time to chew better....... :-)

What a gal... figures you'd be the swallow technique pro. 😉

Sheldon

On Sun 23 Apr 2006 08:32:28a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
OmManiPadmiOmelet?

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Wayne Boatwright said:

On Sun 23 Apr 2006 07:33:10a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
OmManiPadmiOmelet?

Quoted message said:

Salty Thumb wrote:

>"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in
>news:444b36ea$0 [email hidden]:
>
>
>
>>-L wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I lived for a number of years with my niece who wouldn't eat any
>>>pizza except pepperoni. Drove me absolutley insane. When she
>>>called me the other day she mentioned that she now likes pizza with
>>>multiple toppings.
>>>
>>>There is hope for youth.
>>
>>
>>My ex-girlfriend still won't eat any pizza except pepperoni. She's
>>38. Some people never get over being picky.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Jeez, if I would have remembered to get a green pepper I would have
>put it some on. But that's about as exciting as it gets. Well, I'm
>also partial to ham and pineapple (but without the pepperoni and
>peppers).

I stick with extra cheese, sausage, mushrooms and black olives.
I HATE pepperoni! It's like sticking a spoonful of salt in my mouth.
<shudder>

Too many years on a low sodium kick. You lose your taste for stuff like
that. I've not been able to eat at Arby's for years either.

I like most any topping offered for pizza, in certain combinations.
While I love cheese, I can't stand extra cheese on pizza. I choke when
I try to swallow it.

Take the time to chew better....... :-)

Seriously.

No, really, it's like the more I chew it the bigger the glob of cheese
seems to get. I can barely swallow it. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

Sheldon said:

OmManiPadmiOmelet said:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can't stand extra cheese on pizza. I choke when I try to
swallow it.

Take the time to chew better....... :-)

What a gal... figures you'd be the swallow technique pro. 😉

Sheldon

One of these days, we really are going to have to meat in person, just
so I can schmack you upside the testicles...... <smirk>

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Sun 23 Apr 2006 08:32:28a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
OmManiPadmiOmelet?

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Sun 23 Apr 2006 07:33:10a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
OmManiPadmiOmelet?

>Salty Thumb wrote:
>
>
>
>>"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in
>>news:444b36ea$0 [email hidden]:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-L wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I lived for a number of years with my niece who wouldn't eat any
>>>>pizza except pepperoni. Drove me absolutley insane. When she
>>>>called me the other day she mentioned that she now likes pizza with
>>>>multiple toppings.
>>>>
>>>>There is hope for youth.
>>>
>>>
>>>My ex-girlfriend still won't eat any pizza except pepperoni. She's
>>>38. Some people never get over being picky.
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Jeez, if I would have remembered to get a green pepper I would have
>>put it some on. But that's about as exciting as it gets. Well, I'm
>>also partial to ham and pineapple (but without the pepperoni and
>>peppers).
>
>I stick with extra cheese, sausage, mushrooms and black olives.
>I HATE pepperoni! It's like sticking a spoonful of salt in my mouth.
><shudder>
>
>Too many years on a low sodium kick. You lose your taste for stuff like
>that. I've not been able to eat at Arby's for years either.

I like most any topping offered for pizza, in certain combinations.
While I love cheese, I can't stand extra cheese on pizza. I choke when
I try to swallow it.

Take the time to chew better....... :-)

Seriously.

No, really, it's like the more I chew it the bigger the glob of cheese
seems to get. I can barely swallow it. :-)

That's what knives are for...... ;-)

I know where you are coming from. Really.
But, I've learned to handle sticky mozarella.
Especially since I've started eating shiratake on a regular basis.
It's nearly as bad!

Try to take smaller bites.

Extra cheese is _wonderful_!

OmManiPadmiOmelet said:

I stick with extra cheese, sausage, mushrooms and black olives.
I HATE pepperoni! It's like sticking a spoonful of salt in my mouth.
<shudder>

You'd love my standard pizza then: sausage, pepperoni, and anchovy.

Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Default User said:

OmManiPadmiOmelet said:

I stick with extra cheese, sausage, mushrooms and black olives.
I HATE pepperoni! It's like sticking a spoonful of salt in my mouth.
<shudder>

You'd love my standard pizza then: sausage, pepperoni, and anchovy.

Brian

Oh.

Gag. ;-p

Salty Thumb said:

I made a dozen or so faux pizza hovel pan pizzas last week using an...

Big snippage.

==
Help me understand this, when you say "faux pizza hovel pan pizzas" you
actually mean to say "FAKE pizza hovel pan pizzas?" Why not just say fake and
forget the faux.

Ray
Austin, TX
===

faux pizza hovel pan pizzas

"Ray S. & Nayda Katzaman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Help me understand this, when you say "faux pizza hovel pan pizzas"
you actually mean to say "FAKE pizza hovel pan pizzas?" Why not just
say fake and forget the faux.

Because I generally make faux pizzas. Three faux me, and one faux somebody
else.

"Salty Thumb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Ray S. & Nayda Katzaman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Help me understand this, when you say "faux pizza hovel pan pizzas"
you actually mean to say "FAKE pizza hovel pan pizzas?" Why not just
say fake and forget the faux.

Because I generally make faux pizzas. Three faux me, and one faux
somebody
else.

soo funny!
Dee Dee

OmManiPadmiOmelet said:

I stick with extra cheese, sausage, mushrooms and black olives.
I HATE pepperoni! It's like sticking a spoonful of salt in my mouth.
<shudder>

Too many years on a low sodium kick. You lose your taste for stuff like
that. I've not been able to eat at Arby's for years either.

I am the same way. I am horrified at how much salt is used by TV
chefs.

I like pepperoni, but not on pizza - I like it sort of the same way I
like good salami - in small quantites only.

My favorite pizza is spinach, black olives and portobello mushrooms.
No meat - ever.

-L.

On Sun 23 Apr 2006 12:39:08a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Bob (this
one)?

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Salty Thumb said:

Hello,

Anybody know the secret to making good tasting greasy pan pizza
crust?

Heavy, black pan. Heat both over and under. The recipe is reasonably
close to the P.H. one, but if you're going to jerk it around and not
follow it, expect lousy results.

Oh, wait. You already got them.

Quoted message said:

I made a dozen or so faux pizza hovel pan pizzas last week using an
Internet recipe and the bottom of the crust usually burnt dark black
and when it didn't burn (by taking out earlier or lowering the temp)
the crust and/or pizza wasn't very tasty). I don't know if I greased
the pan too much, the temperature was too high/too low, needed to use
different pans, grease or what.

I pretty much used the recipe here
http://www.thatsmyhome.com/venettos/pizza/pizza-hut-pizza.htm

Actually, you didn't.

Quoted message said:

except water was whatever temperature a coffee maker spits it out at,
used a dash of salt instead of the 1/2 tsp, did not measure the oil
when greasing the pans (used extra virgin olive oil), didn't use
rolling pin, but flipped it in the air a couple of times, did not
spray the outer edge of dough with Pam or any other spray and I
mostly used 450F instead of 475F because I was using 2 dark non-stick
cake pans (and also one silver one).

This kind of guesswork will fail every time. Congratulations. You
introduced enough variables to keep a team of mathematicians bored for a
long time. The water was too hot - 105F is baby-bottle warm. Salt serves
several purposes in yeast doughs and leaving it out or seriously cutting
quantity makes for different results. I also suspect that your dough
didn't rise because your hot water killed the yeast.

Quoted message said:

Topping was just plain mozzarella cheese and pepperoni.

Exciting.

Pastorio

I'm not disputing your comments, Bob, but I am curious about something. I
just now read the recipe, and the 3 oz. of oil in each pan seems like an
inordinate amount of oil, at least when compared to the pan pizza I've been
making for years. The pizza I make is quite good, but I also like the
Pizza Hut pan pizza from some of their stores on occasion. I wonder what
your thoughts are on the amount oil.

Thanks...

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

Wayne Boatwright said:

I'm not disputing your comments, Bob, but I am curious about something. I
just now read the recipe, and the 3 oz. of oil in each pan seems like an
inordinate amount of oil, at least when compared to the pan pizza I've been
making for years. The pizza I make is quite good, but I also like the
Pizza Hut pan pizza from some of their stores on occasion. I wonder what
your thoughts are on the amount oil.

3 oz does seem like a lot, but I think I use a lot of oil compared to
what is usually called for when I make pizza dough. I should measure
it sometime (remember 8 fluid oz to a cup)! As it is, I eyeball it
and think "woo, that's a lot", but it's not greasy by any stretch of
the imagination.
--

Ham and eggs.
A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.