Not nearly as exciting as Dutchy's story - the Crib Pt B grade RR was "nullified" on Saturday

On 2006-05-15, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

The only way to stamp out this cheating* is to get fair dinkum with the
penalties, and I congratulate the Chelsea club for doing so.

Story needs more bad guys in hotted up cars and action heros on
bicycles.

I still doan geddit though. You are banned from using the wrong side
of the road, which implies to me that only half the road is closed?
Eeek! You mean, cars could be coming the other way, doing up to the
speed limit (what is the speed limit?), and if wheels touch and
someone goes down, they can go down into the path of an oncoming
vehicle? Or, as someone mentioned in this or another forum
(bicigaga?) a few days ago, you can get disqualified despite someone
suddenly stopping in their tracks by sitting up, and your evasive
action is to take the only open path that is available to you?

Why is closing off an entire road so much harder than closing off half
a road, such as to make it not worthwhile to attempt to do so?

--
TimC
}> Is "wrongest" an actual word?
} It's a perfectly cromulent word.
Which, when used, embiggens us all.
-- Jeff Ramsey, Steed and D. Joseph Creighton in ASR

TimC said:

On 2006-05-15, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

The only way to stamp out this cheating* is to get fair dinkum with the
penalties, and I congratulate the Chelsea club for doing so.

Story needs more bad guys in hotted up cars and action heros on
bicycles.

I still doan geddit though. You are banned from using the wrong side
of the road, which implies to me that only half the road is closed?

None of the road is closed, except at the sprint finish.

Quoted message said:

Eeek! You mean, cars could be coming the other way, doing up to the
speed limit (what is the speed limit?), and if wheels touch and
someone goes down, they can go down into the path of an oncoming
vehicle?

Yes. Equally this can happen to a bunch of riders just out for a ride.
A race or otherwise makes no difference.

Quoted message said:

Or, as someone mentioned in this or another forum
(bicigaga?) a few days ago, you can get disqualified despite someone
suddenly stopping in their tracks by sitting up, and your evasive
action is to take the only open path that is available to you?

Not necessarily. My understanding is that you can cross the line to
take evasive action, but not deliberatly do it. Ie: if you cross the
line to dodge a crash etc, then that's ok, but if you cross the line to
make position in the bunch, then that's not ok. See the difference?
It's not always easy to tell, but often it is very easy to do so. When
8 riders take off down the wrong side, scoot up to the front and
reinject into the bunch, that's pretty clear.

Quoted message said:

Why is closing off an entire road so much harder than closing off half
a road, such as to make it not worthwhile to attempt to do so?

It's not possible to close the roads at all except in very limited
circumstances (eg: sprint finishes, which are over a short distance and
only last a couple of minutes)

Welcome to amateur road racing 🙂

Bleve said:

Quoted message said:

Why is closing off an entire road so much harder than closing off half
a road, such as to make it not worthwhile to attempt to do so?

It's not possible to close the roads at all except in very limited
circumstances (eg: sprint finishes, which are over a short distance and
only last a couple of minutes)

Welcome to amateur road racing 🙂

If the whole road had to be closed we would be lucky to have 3 road races a year in Perth.

Full road closures generally require police assistance which is costly.

Better to just keep your eyes open and not cross wheels on the right hand side near white lines!!

In aus.bicycle on 14 May 2006 23:25:01 -0700

Bleve said:

I've been an advocate for such an action in the past, as at a number of
courses, notably Crib Pt and Summers riders persistantly cheat and put
themselves and the rest of the field in considerable danger by
overtaking on the wrong side of the road, which is *strictly* against
the rules of the road *and* the rules of the race. In this instance,

Years ago when I was doing motorcycle marshaling for races in the
Adelaide Hills we had continual problems with this.

I'd ride my bike on the white line and yell at them, and take numbers
of the worst offenders. Was sorta like herding cats to get them all
on the right side of the road....

Zebee

In aus.bicycle on Mon, 15 May 2006 06:35:58 GMT

TimC said:

Why is closing off an entire road so much harder than closing off half
a road, such as to make it not worthwhile to attempt to do so?

Roads aren't closed. That needs police presence.

Motorcycle marshals would ride ahead and (illegally) block off side
roads till the race passed though.

Zebee

On 2006-05-15, Zebee Johnstone (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

I'd ride my bike on the white line and yell at them, and take numbers
of the worst offenders. Was sorta like herding cats to get them all
on the right side of the road....

Well, that's your problem. They were trying to stick to the left, but
you kept on telling them to stay to the right!

--
TimC
I am not a number. I'm a Free NaN. -- Chris Reuter in ARK

On 2006-05-15, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

TimC said:

On 2006-05-15, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

The only way to stamp out this cheating* is to get fair dinkum with the
penalties, and I congratulate the Chelsea club for doing so.

Story needs more bad guys in hotted up cars and action heros on
bicycles.

I still doan geddit though. You are banned from using the wrong side
of the road, which implies to me that only half the road is closed?

None of the road is closed, except at the sprint finish.

Yikes. What do you do about abusive motorists behind and
intersections in front? Is it even legal, given that you are going to
be more than two abreast being overtaken by two abreast?

--
TimC
I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. --unknown

how is rd closed at sprint finish?

presumably that means you have marshals who are qualified as traffic marshals? ie they 'can' tell traffic what to do???

of course in_an_ideal_world one could choose a location where sprint finish is on such a section of road where this ould be a) wide enuff and b) close-able 🙄

i dream of winning tatts (quite a few times) buyng a laaarge slab of land to put a bmx-skate park, multiple mtb trails, trials areas, crit course and road race course 😄😄😄 Dutchy Springs™ "One werd. Dutchin"

flyingdutch said:

how is rd closed at sprint finish?

presumably that means you have marshals who are qualified as traffic
marshals? ie they 'can' tell traffic what to do???

That's exactly it. A number of clubs pay to have members qualified as
traffic controllers, so they can (with appropriate permits etc)
temporarily close the road.

Quoted message said:

of course in_an_ideal_world one could choose a location where sprint
finish is on such a section of road where this ould be a) wide enuff
and b) close-able 🙄

Crib Pt is good for this, it's wide, and closable near the finish.

Quoted message said:

i dream of winning tatts (quite a few times) buyng a laaarge slab of
land to put a bmx-skate park, multiple mtb trails, trials areas, crit
course and road race course 😄😄😄 Dutchy Springs™ "One werd. Dutchin"

You've just described "Camp aboc", but without the skater magnet 🙂

quote='Bleve'flyingdutch said:

how is rd closed at sprint finish?

presumably that means you have marshals who are qualified as traffic
marshals? ie they 'can' tell traffic what to do???

That's exactly it. A number of clubs pay to have members qualified as
traffic controllers, so they can (with appropriate permits etc)
temporarily close the road.

Quoted message said:

of course in_an_ideal_world one could choose a location where sprint
finish is on such a section of road where this ould be a) wide enuff
and b) close-able 🙄

Crib Pt is good for this, it's wide, and closable near the finish.

Quoted message said:

i dream of winning tatts (quite a few times) buyng a laaarge slab of
land to put a bmx-skate park, multiple mtb trails, trials areas, crit
course and road race course 😄😄😄 Dutchy Springs™ "One werd. Dutchin"

You've just described "Camp aboc", but without the skater magnet 🙂[/QUOTE]

Hmmm "Dutchy Springs" vs "Camp aboc"

why do they bring to mind 2 very different pictures ie one has a new estate on it, the other is a bunch of rampant hung over 18-20's trying to supervise 10-13 yrs old doing " activities in a safe, fun, holiday environment"
😄 😄 😄