Gold Rush (or Ti Rush) v. Bacchetta Aero

Hello Andy, I'm one of THOSE that has both a GRR Ti and Aero. (Owned a Rotator Pursuit Ti too) Both
are wonderful bikes and cater to similar philosophies, pertaining to start off speed, stability,
over all speed and climbing. My Aero seems to have a quicker ability to get up to speed than my GRR
Ti and it (Aero) seems to be a better climber on at least the mo-hills down here in South Florida.
Of course my Aero is about 22.5 lbs vs. my GRR Ti that's 32 lbs w/ fairing and rear aero bag. Both
offer stability at speed, with the Aero probably a tad better, due to the same wheel size. (IMHO) In
head winds, it's clearly NO CONTEST! The Aero knifes through the wind, while the Faired GRR Ti, is
significantly taxed and slower, due to the wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And all these years
I thought a fairing was suppose to make you more aerodynamically fluid flow through head winds. NOT
TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand, pressing on your fairing, holding you back.
A body sock might make a difference; (OK Thomas Sherman, are you HAPPY, now that I've admitted
that?) but I've never tried one. Again in my personal opinion, I believe having your body in a aero
position, makes for a MORE efficient speed; aero dynamically speaking, anyway. The Aero is a lot
simpler and quicker to clean up than the GRR Ti, I guess due to the mono tube vs. a lot of tubing
(And Fairing) on the GRR Ti. My average (Poking around) speeds on the GRR Ti were about 17 - 18 mph,
while on the Aero it's EASILY 20 - 23+ mph. (The Aero just doesn't like to be ridden SLOW) Although
this sounds like I'm completely leaning for the Aero, I'm still not confidently comfortable with as
much recline as I'm in. You really do give your complete body to the Bacchetta bikes. The ONE thing
that is HELPING me gain MORE confidence, as I continue to put miles on my Aero, is the ability to be
able to place both your feet squarely on the ground. (A big selling point for Easy Racer Bikes) This
is something you can do on all Bacchetta bikes. I honestly prefer my Aero over my GRR Ti, for the
sheer less weight factor, better speed (And being able to maintain it) not having to contend with a
bulky (Not really aero) fairing, different wheel sizes or tail heavy (Weighty) beach chair syndrome.
Mind you, all that I've spoken is clearly PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and riding preference. Others
experiences may be totally different. I still plan on keeping and enjoying my GRR Ti, BUT I may take
a test ride on a Giro soon... :-0 for alternative training rides. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl.
(Aero & GRR Ti Pilot)

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I seem to remember one or two participant having both a Gold Rush (or Ti Rush) and Aero. I would
like to hear how the bikes compare.

Andy

Rarely in my experience does a two recumbent owner ride his/her two different bikes on an equal time
basis. Long term, only one wins out and gets ridden.

Sorry EZ, I told you so .... -))

Gator Bob Siegel

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Hello Andy, I'm one of THOSE that has both a GRR Ti and Aero. (Owned a Rotator Pursuit Ti too)
Both are wonderful bikes

....I honestly prefer my Aero over my GRR Ti, for the

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sheer less weight factor, better speed

Maybe this is what you meant, but to clarify, the issue is frontal area. A fairing can help you deal
with frontal area, but it doesn't decrease it. I think in the end, the Aero has less frontal area
than the GRR TI and that is why it feels better in the headwinds.

john riley 1 at rogers dot com

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(IMHO) In head winds, it's clearly NO CONTEST! The Aero knifes through the wind, while the Faired
GRR Ti, is significantly taxed and slower, due to the wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And
all these years I thought a fairing was suppose to make you more aerodynamically fluid flow
through head winds. NOT TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand, pressing on your
fairing, holding you back. A body sock might make a difference; (OK Thomas Sherman, are you HAPPY,
now that I've admitted that?) but I've never tried one. Again in my personal opinion, I believe
having your body in a aero position, makes for a MORE efficient speed; aero dynamically speaking,
anyway. [...]

THANKS JOHN! YEP, that's what I meant. Since I've been riding my Aero, I've fallen out of Love
for a fairing. I like the just a bike and me feeling. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero &
GRR Ti Pilot)

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Maybe this is what you meant, but to clarify, the issue is frontal area. A fairing can help you
deal with frontal area, but it doesn't decrease it. I think in the end, the Aero has less frontal
area than the GRR TI and that is why it feels better in the headwinds.

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(IMHO) In head winds, it's clearly NO CONTEST! The Aero knifes through the wind, while the Faired
GRR Ti, is significantly taxed and slower, due to the wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And
all these years I thought a fairing was suppose to make you more aerodynamically fluid flow
through head winds. NOT TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand, pressing on your
fairing, holding you back. A body sock might make a difference; > >

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EZ, are you sure the fairing isn't on backwards!! Just kidding. Good luck with the aero. But I'm
wondering why everyone is making such a fuss over the Bacchetta bikes. It seems to me that the
Barcroft bikes appear to be just as good a design if not better. I don't ride either one so I quess
shouldn't comment. Anyone care to comment?

Mike

Mike, As EZ knows I had one of the first production Stradas and my AERO was one of the first also. I
had in the past experimented with fairing vrs no fairing and it varied from bike to bike. Why all
the interest in the Bacchettas? Their different and brought to you by a designer that had a hand in
the V-REX and the Barcroft designs. Having experience with both I will say that a properly set up
Strada or Corsa out performs (speed) either of these fine bents. However, I am comparing different
apples due to the front wheel difference. Comparing a Giro to a V-REX or Barcroft Dakota is a fair
comparison. IMO the Giro is a superior ride due to its longer than most SWB wheelbase. Its rock
solid at 40+ mph downhills. I installed a Pantour on my V-REX to smooth out the jitters on fast
downhills. To date the highest downhill speed I have attained on the AERO is 44.4 MPH and it, like
the Giro rock solid. IMO the key to the Bacchetta is its wheelbase, additionally on the highracers
its the aerodynamic advantage of the high BB among other things. The AERO when properly set up
presents a very small profile to the wind thus the knife feel that EZ espouches. Post Isabel ride
was 55 mile Saturday, not all that much debris to dodge.

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(IMHO) In head winds, it's clearly NO CONTEST! The Aero knifes through

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wind, while the Faired GRR Ti, is significantly taxed and slower, due to

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wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And all these years I thought a fairing was suppose to
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winds. NOT TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand,

pressing

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on your fairing, holding you back. A body sock might make a difference;

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EZ, are you sure the fairing isn't on backwards!! Just kidding. Good luck with the aero. But I'm
wondering why everyone is making such a fuss over the Bacchetta bikes. It seems to me that the
Barcroft bikes appear to be just as good a design if not better. I don't ride either one so I
quess shouldn't comment. Anyone care to comment?

Mike

Gator Bob,

Did you have the same experience with the Ti Rush and the Aero as EZ?

Andy

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Rarely in my experience does a two recumbent owner ride his/her two different bikes on an equal
time basis. Long term, only one wins out and gets ridden.

Sorry EZ, I told you so .... -))

Gator Bob Siegel

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Hello Andy, I'm one of THOSE that has both a GRR Ti and Aero. (Owned a Rotator Pursuit Ti too)
Both are wonderful bikes

....I honestly prefer my Aero over my GRR Ti, for the

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sheer less weight factor, better speed

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Mike, As EZ knows I had one of the first production Stradas and my AERO was one of the first also.
I had in the past experimented with fairing vrs no fairing and it varied from bike to bike. Why
all the interest in the Bacchettas? Their different and brought to you by a designer that had a
hand in the V-REX and the Barcroft designs. Having experience with both I will say that a properly
set up Strada or Corsa out performs (speed) either of these fine bents. However, I am comparing
different apples due to the front wheel difference. Comparing a Giro to a V-REX or Barcroft Dakota
is a fair comparison. IMO the Giro is a superior ride due to its longer than most SWB wheelbase.
Its rock solid at 40+ mph downhills. I installed a Pantour on my V-REX to smooth out the jitters
on fast downhills. To date the highest downhill speed I have attained on the AERO is 44.4 MPH and
it, like the Giro rock solid.IMO the key to the Bacchetta is its wheelbase,

Jude, the Barcroft Virginia GT has a 48 inch wheelbase which is an inch longer than the Aero.

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additionally on the highracers its the aerodynamic advantage of the high BB among other things.
The AERO when properly set up presents a very small profile to the wind thus the knife feel that
EZ espouches.

I would have thought that the smaller wheel on the Barcroft would have make it a little more
aerodynamic, but maybe not.

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Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and
Sports, Inc 1-800-586-6645

Mike

I thought they were close. You were paying attention. Truth be known the AERO has more of a 46" WB
than a 47".

If I remember right, which is sometimes suspect. Rich Pinto's
experements indicate that the larger thinner wheel is more aerodynamic.

I hate to get caught up in all this because it causes me to forget that its the motor. I'm a
reasonably fit 54 yr old and I'm down to my desired weight of 170 lbs. From 188 the beginning
of the year. However, I don't have near the miles in nor the training I have had in pas years.

Recumbent selection is a hard chore and as a retailer of recumbents I can say that
Bacchetta's have been hot, even for first timers. I ride an Aero, However, if somthing new
and hot appears on the horizion I will get one. I have given some thought to a LowRacer
possibly a Baron or Jester. From a seeing and being seen point of reference....my internal
jury is still out. You don't hear much about the P-38 which IMO is a damm fast SWB. Properly
set up and viewed from behind at AOA (angle of attack) of the wind all you can see is the
seat back, quite aerodynamic.

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Mike, As EZ knows I had one of the first production Stradas and my AERO

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fairing and it varied from bike to bike. Why all the interest in the Bacchettas? Their
different and

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to you by a designer that had a hand in the V-REX and the Barcroft

designs.

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Having experience with both I will say that a properly set up Strada or Corsa out performs
(speed) either of these fine bents. However, I am comparing different apples due to the front
wheel difference. Comparing

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Giro to a V-REX or Barcroft Dakota is a fair comparison. IMO the Giro is

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superior ride due to its longer than most SWB wheelbase. Its rock solid

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40+ mph downhills. I installed a Pantour on my V-REX to smooth out the jitters on fast
downhills. To date the highest downhill speed I have attained on the AERO is

44.4

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MPH and it, like the Giro rock solid.IMO the key to the Bacchetta is its

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Jude, the Barcroft Virginia GT has a 48 inch wheelbase which is an inch longer than the Aero.

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additionally on the highracers its the aerodynamic advantage of the high BB among other

things.

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The AERO when properly set up presents a very small profile to the wind

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the knife feel that EZ espouches.

I would have thought that the smaller wheel on the Barcroft would have make it a little more
aerodynamic, but maybe not.

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Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and
Sports, Inc 1-800-586-6645

Mike

Thanks Jude! Just what I was going to say... <Grin> I think the appeal of Bacchetta's is that they
truly are an enthusiast kind of bike. Some how, looking geeky in that SWB position doesn't really
mean a lot; in that I may look geekey going down the road, but I'm MOVING at a pretty fair geeky
clip. Plus you do earn some respect and perhaps Aw from DFer's, in that they just can't seem to
perceive ever trying to ride in THAT kind of position, keeping a bike like that up and going
reasonable FAST. The Bacchetta's allow you to give all that you have, in a comfortable way and still
give a rider the feeling of being on a performance diamond frame bike. The Bacchetta line also
offers you a choice of what kind of cycling you want to do. Giro's for casual type of cycling
(Although Shari Bernhard KICKS SOME SERIOUS AS... with hers) Strada for more moderate type of
cycling, Corsa, more performance type of cycling, being just a tick under the Aero speed wise, but a
lot less $$$ and the Aero, Take No Prisoners; an all out thoroughbred high race / performance kind
of bike. EZ (Don't like faired bikes anymore) Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero Pilot)

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Mike, As EZ knows I had one of the first production Stradas and my AERO

was

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one of the first also. I had in the past experimented with fairing vrs no fairing and it varied
from bike to bike. Why all the interest in the Bacchettas? Their different and

brought

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to you by a designer that had a hand in the V-REX and the Barcroft

designs.

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Having experience with both I will say that a properly set up Strada or Corsa out performs (speed)
either of these fine bents. However, I am comparing different apples due to the front wheel
difference. Comparing a Giro to a V-REX or Barcroft Dakota is a fair comparison. IMO the Giro is a
superior ride due to its longer than most SWB wheelbase. Its rock solid at 40+ mph downhills. I
installed a Pantour on my V-REX to smooth out the jitters on fast downhills. To date the highest
downhill speed I have attained on the AERO is

44.4

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MPH and it, like the Giro rock solid. IMO the key to the Bacchetta is its wheelbase, additionally
on the highracers its the aerodynamic advantage of the high BB among other

things.

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The AERO when properly set up presents a very small profile to the wind

thus

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the knife feel that EZ espouches. Post Isabel ride was 55 mile Saturday, not all that much debris
to dodge.

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wind, while the Faired GRR Ti, is significantly taxed and slower, due

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wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And all these years I thought a fairing was suppose to
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winds. NOT TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand,

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on your fairing, holding you back. A body sock might make a

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EZ, are you sure the fairing isn't on backwards!! Just kidding. Good luck with the aero. But I'm
wondering why everyone is making such a fuss over the Bacchetta bikes. It seems to me that the
Barcroft bikes appear to be just as good a design if not better. I don't ride either one so I
quess shouldn't comment. Anyone care to comment?

Mike

Don't have an Aero but I had the same experience going from a P-38 Xt to a Ti Rush. "Andy"
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Gator Bob,

Did you have the same experience with the Ti Rush and the Aero as EZ?

Andy

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Rarely in my experience does a two recumbent owner ride his/her two different bikes on an equal
time basis. Long term, only one wins out and gets ridden.

Sorry EZ, I told you so .... -))

Gator Bob Siegel

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Hello Andy, I'm one of THOSE that has both a GRR Ti and Aero. (Owned a Rotator Pursuit Ti too)
Both are wonderful bikes

....I honestly prefer my Aero over my GRR Ti, for the

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sheer less weight factor, better speed >

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Thanks Jude! Just what I was going to say... <Grin> I think the appeal of Bacchetta's is that they
truly are an enthusiast kind of bike.

Disclaimer: My opinion only. I think Bacchettas are still in their honeymoon phase. Concluding their
second year they are still the new kid on the block as concerns performance oriented recumbents.
More and more you see them turning up used. When they first came out the impression was they were
the panacea for all that ails you. I have never felt comfortable on the bike. It just doesn't fit me
well. On the other hand I can't say enough good things about the Barcroft Virginia, especially with
the carbon fiber seat (I had adapted, now the company offers them). Not only is performance based in
large part on the engine, but the desirability of the bike is also determined by how the engine
feels riding it. That's why we have so many options. No question the high racers are fast. But they
tend to be less manuverable at slower speeds than their 26/20 cousins. I think you could put the
Volaes, Bacchettas, Barcrofts (to mention three) into a category and whichever you picked would be a
fine bicycle. My Virginia is fast, stable, manuverable and comfortable. It provides me the level of
comfort and performance that the high racers can't provide for me. I would take it over a high racer
in a heartbeat. Others will have a different opinion. Individual preference rules. There is no
universal solution. Upcoming might be a nice compromise, Bacchetta's titanium 26/20 model. That
tends to narrow the design gap between the two styles. Sigh, another choice.

Mike S. St. Louis, Mo

Barcroft Virginia Barcroft Columbia RANS Rocket

Dear Gator Bob,

Interesting. Years ago (1997?) I bought a P-38 as I thought it would be better than my Tour Easy.
Every day for a season, I rode a different bike until fall. By then I could not get myself to
ride the P-38 any longer, I just liked riding the TE much better. (Of course, I know someone who
likes his P-38 much better than his Gold Rush.) What was your experience changing from the P-38
to the Ti Rush.

Andy

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Don't have an Aero but I had the same experience going from a P-38 Xt to a Ti Rush. "Andy"
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Gator Bob,

Did you have the same experience with the Ti Rush and the Aero as EZ?

Andy

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Rarely in my experience does a two recumbent owner ride his/her two different bikes on an
equal time basis. Long term, only one wins out and gets ridden.

Sorry EZ, I told you so .... -))

Gator Bob Siegel

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> Rotator Pursuit Ti too) Both are wonderful bikes

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Same as yours ... but I still miss the P-38's speed and feeling of lightness, especially up hills.
It provided an excellent "fit" for my body. However, I found it impossible to switch back and forth
from one to the other and concluded the GRR design was "best" for me. I still miss the P-38 though.
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Dear Gator Bob,

Interesting. Years ago (1997?) I bought a P-38 as I thought it would be better than my Tour Easy.
Every day for a season, I rode a different bike until fall. By then I could not get myself to ride
the P-38 any longer,

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just liked riding the TE much better. (Of course, I know someone who

likes

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his P-38 much better than his Gold Rush.) What was your experience

changing

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from the P-38 to the Ti Rush.

Andy

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Gator Bob,

Did you have the same experience with the Ti Rush and the Aero as EZ?

Andy

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> equal time basis. Long term, only one wins out and gets ridden.
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Good opinion Mike, although I'm not seeing THAT many used Bacchetta's (Except perhaps Stradas) and
haven't seen any used Aero's for sale, yet. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero Pilot)

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Good opinion Mike, although I'm not seeing THAT many used Bacchetta's (Except perhaps Stradas) and
haven't seen any used Aero's for sale, yet. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero Pilot)

I agree with Mike. I have been a bit surprised about the amount of delirium about the Bacchetta
bikes, particularly the big wheeled models, and more particularly, the Aero After all, Bacchetta was
not the first to produce big wheeled bents. Don't misunderstand me. I think the Bacchetta high
racers are excellent bikes and I might own one myself, in the future. Bacchetta has pushed the
envelope of design and performance and this, coupled with the reputation of the people involved with
the company, probably have a lot to do with the Bacchetta frenzy.

Stradas do account for most of the used Bacchettas that I have seen offered, along with a few Giros.
I haven't seen any used Aeros but when someone shells out almost $4000 for a bike, I imagine they
will keep it for a while.

Harry Jiles

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Good opinion Mike, although I'm not seeing THAT many used Bacchetta's (Except perhaps Stradas)
and haven't seen any used Aero's for sale, yet. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero Pilot)

I agree with Mike. I have been a bit surprised about the amount of delirium about the Bacchetta
bikes, particularly the big wheeled models, and more particularly, the Aero After all, Bacchetta
was not the first to produce big wheeled bents. Don't misunderstand me. I think the Bacchetta high
racers are excellent bikes and I might own one myself, in the future. Bacchetta has pushed the
envelope of design and performance and this, coupled with the reputation of the people involved
with the company, probably have a lot to do with the Bacchetta frenzy.

Stradas do account for most of the used Bacchettas that I have seen offered, along with a few
Giros. I haven't seen any used Aeros but when someone shells out almost $4000 for a bike, I
imagine they will keep it for a while.

Harry Jiles

I think the amount and frequency of used recumbents appearing on the market to a great degree is a
funciton of how many of them there are out there. Initially it was very difficult to find a used
Bacchetta but because there numbers and sales are growing it is natural to see some go back on the
used market. This is not a reflection of problems with the bike but more a reflection of their
grwoing volume and acceptance.

I also think you will also find that the reason that you are seeing some of the Bacchettas coming on
the market is because the owners are upgrading to Aeros and I can cite several examples of that
happening. As a matter of fact if I were to sell my Strada/Corsa it would only be to upgrade to an
Aero,which I have thought about more than once.

Pat McShane

Please note that as a member of the Bacchetta Yahoo group, I know some of the Stradas and Corsas
(and probably some Giros) were sold to make room and $$$$ for Aeros. Lots of Bacchetta riders were
so pleased they decided to upgrade. Not unlike TE/GRR riders selling to finance a Ti-Rush. Don't put
a lot of significance on bikes being sold. And remember, some people are never happy and have to
keep moving on. They are also not the perfect bike for everyone so there will always be some
selling. Don

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Good opinion Mike, although I'm not seeing THAT many used Bacchetta's (Except perhaps Stradas)
and haven't seen any used Aero's for sale, yet. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero Pilot)

I agree with Mike. I have been a bit surprised about the amount of delirium about the Bacchetta
bikes, particularly the big wheeled models, and more particularly, the Aero After all, Bacchetta
was not the first to produce big wheeled bents. Don't misunderstand me. I think the Bacchetta high
racers are excellent bikes and I might own one myself, in the future. Bacchetta has pushed the
envelope of design and performance and this, coupled with the reputation of the people involved
with the company, probably have a lot to do with the Bacchetta frenzy.

Stradas do account for most of the used Bacchettas that I have seen offered, along with a few
Giros. I haven't seen any used Aeros but when someone shells out almost $4000 for a bike, I
imagine they will keep it for a while.

Harry Jiles

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pj
[I think the amount and frequency of used recumbents appearing on the market to a great degree is a
funciton of how many of them there are out there. Initially it was very difficult to find a used
Bacchetta but because there numbers and sales are growing it is natural to see some go back on the
used market. This is not a reflection of problems with the bike but more a reflection of their
grwoing volume and acceptance.]

Agreed, I never said, nor did I imply that it was a reflection of problems.

[I also think you will also find that the reason that you are seeing some of the Bacchettas coming on
the market is because the owners are upgrading to Aeros and I can cite several examples of that
happening. As a matter of fact if I were to sell my Strada/Corsa it would only be to upgrade to an
Aero,which I have thought about more than once.]

I'm sure this id the case for some but it is also quite likely that some are sold for other reasons as well.

Harry