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  1. quick RR; Hard
    longer RR; Very Hard

    I was sold this as the hardest 200 in the UK (and the 4.5 AAA points
    support this) and ideal preparation (or something) for La Marmotte. Got
    the train up Friday afternoon and rode from Harrogate up to Pateley
    Bridge. Continued the 13k up the valley to Lofthouses for a very nice
    and extremely cheap (£3.50) campsite, before dashing (fsvo dash) up
    the 25% hill to the pub where I just made last orders for food.
    Whizzed back down the valley for the 0800 start the next morning.
    Various Clifton CC riders in the car park from whom I attempted to find
    Arthur Clune (although he was a DNS due to a cold and after riding I
    can see his point entirely). 2nd prize for team jersey entry went to
    Team Ardechoise of which I was one of 3. Also present were Richard
    Parrotte, having a day off from his Maniac Grimpeur activities, and
    Robert from Gravesend CTC who had driven up for the day.
    The ride started rudely with a ridiculous climb out of the town for a
    short but steep loop; this seemed a bit gratuitous but was actually a
    Good Thing (see later). After that was a brutal mostly 16% up to
    Greenhow before settling into some fairly benign stuff to the control
    at Malham. We had a route profile on our brevet cards just to rub it
    in, and the next almost vertical line came past Malham Cove. This was
    rewarded with a nice descent to Ribblesdale (where I raided the post
    ofiice for pasty nuts and pop). After that it continued fairly benign
    until the nasty climb up to Dent station where I resisted the
    temptation to join the train spotters waiting for a steam special, as
    this was one ride where the possibility of running out of time was very
    real indeed.
    A very grockle and motorbike strewn Hawes for a blag of a stamp
    avoiding the big queue in the caff, more pasties ginger cake and water
    from Spar and then up Fleet Moss. This isn't that steep but very
    intimidating as you can see the tiny dots that are other riders all the
    way up the 5km. It was however rewarded with a superb 18km descent to
    Kettlewell. All too soon it went pear shaped again though with Park
    Rash, which is best described as A Sod. But also rewarded with a long
    and pleasant descent of Coverdale. I passed the designated distance for
    the info; no village, no pub, S**t! had I taken the 183km route in
    error?
    But after 5km Horse House appeared. I was by now into counting down the
    spikes on the route sheet. The last stop at Reeth cafe, and there was
    now short cut possible so it was up over the tank ranges to Leyburn,
    and another long descent. The village of East Witton had become a
    Romany caravan sanctuary, and there were now just two spikes left. The
    first a Jevaulx Abbey was short and steep; the second, up past Leighton
    reservoir, was cruel. Just as we drew level with the final brow of the
    hill back into Lofthouses we were plunged all the way back to river
    level and had to climb the whole lot again. At last! the last hill over
    (and by virtue of the first loop we avoided what would have been a very
    unwelcome climb back up to Greenhow) so after a very hairy descent it
    was repeat of my morning campsite dash, where being veggy was tested to
    its limits along the insect strewn resevoir road. Finally finished with
    just 25 min to spare.
    Bring on those Alps!

  2. "MartinM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    quick RR; Hard
    longer RR; Very Hard

    vernon's RR 'kin hard

    I was sold this as the hardest 200 in the UK

    I wish I'd known this before I'd signed up for the 140.....

    The ride started rudely with a ridiculous climb out of the town for a
    short but steep loop; this seemed a bit gratuitous but was actually a
    Good Thing (see later).

    No it wasn't - it was the beginning of the end for me.....

    After that was a brutal mostly 16% up to
    Greenhow

    By the time I'd conquered Greenhow and got to Appletreewick my average speed
    was such that I'd have to leave the controls before I got to them. I decided
    not to press onto Malham and bailed out at Cracoe. I wan't going to call it
    a day though. I decided to make my way to Skipton and then explore the A59,
    flagged as one of the most dangerous roads in the UK. It didn't disappoint.
    The first layby where the A59 leaves the A65 has a mobile canteen and while
    I was buying a cold drink I overheard a conversation about the road being
    blocked several miles away in the Harrogate direction and that the crash had
    meritted the use of two air ambulances. As I presson on hoping that the
    accident was much further on that the turn off that I wanted I found myself
    in a queue of traffic and at the head of it, the scene of an accident
    between a motorcycle and a car. This was not *the* accident I hit the road
    block shortly afterwards and was allowed through providing I took the left
    turn to the Storiths.

    It was eerie cycling on an empty road and it was infuriating watching
    motorists joining the A59 from the Storiths road turn towards Harrogate and
    drove around the road close sign but gratifying to see them return chastened
    by the police road block that apparently was a mile or so down the road. A
    pootle along the the road to the Storiths then a climb to Appletreewick
    where I felt I deserved a beer and some shade from the sun. Several half
    pints of Wharfedale Brewery's ales plus a Taylor's Landlord not forgetting
    the half of cider used purely for thirst quenching purposes, I felt suitable
    restored for the reverse climb of Greenhow and a return to Pateley Bridge.
    The descent from Greenhow was hairy my poor old rims and brake blocks took
    some hammer.

    Sean Flynn, the organiser was most impressed when I walked into the Scout
    Hut an hour before the time I said I'd return. I 'fessed up and had a laugh
    about my wild optimism. A couple of cyclists were complaining that they
    were a stone overweight they were silenced when they discoved I was 50-60%
    heavier than they were. The vegetable soup served up was amazingly good. I
    felt a bit of a fraud supping it as I hadn't really earned it. The day was
    not a failure on many counts.

    I had a rude reminder about how much weight I could still do with losing.
    I had a nice day out.
    I've got total respect for the whippets that can winch themselves up the
    climbs almost effortlessly.
    Must lose several more, ok lots of, stones before I contemplate the ride
    again. I'm making next year my target for a second attempt.
    I'm going to try to ride more in hilly terrain.

    Got in three 100km permanents last week and have got a flattish 200 to look
    forward to next week. I think I'll leave it a while before I tackle
    another Grimpeur :-)


  3. Quoted message said:


    I wish I'd known this before I'd signed up for the 140.....

    Next year consider the Tramway 100 or 150 instead .They are very hilly,
    but the shorter version completed by occasional riders in trainers.And
    you get a free pint at the end.
    The scenery and weather yesterday was outstanding .
    If you're on the 150 you can take a short cut back if you decide at the
    70km stop.
    TerryJ

  4. vernon levy said:

    "MartinM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    quick RR; Hard
    longer RR; Very Hard

    vernon's RR 'kin hard

    I was sold this as the hardest 200 in the UK

    I wish I'd known this before I'd signed up for the 140.....

    bad luck, but you didn't miss a thing ;-)

    I would happily have bailed at the 183 if I didn't need the 200 for
    RRTY; as a rule anything over 100 km with more than AAA1 point is
    silly; 3.25 is very silly indeed

  5. "MartinM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    I would happily have bailed at the 183 if I didn't need the 200 for
    RRTY; as a rule anything over 100 km with more than AAA1 point is
    silly; 3.25 is very silly indeed

    Now that I have that benchmark, I know what to avoid for the immediate
    future ;-)

  6. MartinM said:
    vernon levy said:

    "MartinM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    quick RR; Hard
    longer RR; Very Hard

    vernon's RR 'kin hard

    I was sold this as the hardest 200 in the UK

    I wish I'd known this before I'd signed up for the 140.....

    bad luck, but you didn't miss a thing ;-)

    I would happily have bailed at the 183 if I didn't need the 200 for
    RRTY; as a rule anything over 100 km with more than AAA1 point is
    silly; 3.25 is very silly indeed

    My 200km perm yesterday had 1.25 AAA points, pretty much up and down for
    the first 100km. 3200m of climbing, the handbook says that a 100km ride
    with this about would warrent 4 AAA points. Actually it says a 100 with
    3000m gets 4 AAA points, doesn't show any more that 3000m for 100s. Just
    because the ride is longer doesn't mean it gets easier though !!!

    Hard lines Vern, seemed too hard to me, I don't like those silly little,
    steep, Dales hills, I prefer the long drags over the Pennines.

  7. MSeries said:
    MartinM said:
    vernon levy said:

    "MartinM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    quick RR; Hard
    longer RR; Very Hard

    vernon's RR 'kin hard

    I was sold this as the hardest 200 in the UK

    I wish I'd known this before I'd signed up for the 140.....

    bad luck, but you didn't miss a thing ;-)

    I would happily have bailed at the 183 if I didn't need the 200 for
    RRTY; as a rule anything over 100 km with more than AAA1 point is
    silly; 3.25 is very silly indeed

    My 200km perm yesterday had 1.25 AAA points, pretty much up and down for
    the first 100km. 3200m of climbing, the handbook says that a 100km ride
    with this about would warrent 4 AAA points. Actually it says a 100 with
    3000m gets 4 AAA points, doesn't show any more that 3000m for 100s. Just
    because the ride is longer doesn't mean it gets easier though !!!

    Hard lines Vern, seemed too hard to me, I don't like those silly little,
    steep, Dales hills, I prefer the long drags over the Pennines.

    well I _hope_ it was harder than La M; certainly a lot of yesterday
    including Park Rash was worse than AdH

  8. MartinM said:


    well I _hope_ it was harder than La M; certainly a lot of yesterday
    including Park Rash was worse than AdH

    Yup, I'd agree. You had some good heat too which might help prepare you.
    I have climbed some French Cols in some pretty fierce heat, something
    which is difficult to prepare for in the UK.

  9. "MSeries" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    MartinM said:

    vernon levy wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    My 200km perm yesterday had 1.25 AAA points, pretty much up and down for
    the first 100km. 3200m of climbing, the handbook says that a 100km ride
    with this about would warrent 4 AAA points. Actually it says a 100 with
    3000m gets 4 AAA points, doesn't show any more that 3000m for 100s. Just
    because the ride is longer doesn't mean it gets easier though !!!

    Hard lines Vern, seemed too hard to me, I don't like those silly little,
    steep, Dales hills, I prefer the long drags over the Pennines.

    I'd one one or two exploratory rides in the area - Brimham Rocks from
    Wiggington ( the last Wigginton 100) and Pately Bridge via Knareborough and
    Ripley but they were poor preparation for the cruel 20% climb at the start
    of the Grimpeur back to back with Greenhow Hill with no real chance to get
    warmed up and into a rhythm.

    I wish that I'd gradient profiled it all using gmaps before entering. I
    prefer but not necessarily like the long drags. The one to Kirkby Stephen
    from Keld ranks as one of my favourites along with the drag to the Tan Hill
    pub and its liquid refreshements. I'll be playing out there in a fortnight
    and will be taking in the Reeth to Tan Hill drag, The Stang and some off
    road riding around Low Row. Will also fit in a Hamsters concert at Masham.
    It promises to be a busy weekend.

    I'll also be doing a cycle camp weekend riding up to Dent for the Dent
    Festival to see the Peatbog Faeries the same weekend as the York Show.

    It's all fitting together well with the Audax rides for preparation for my
    JOGLE ride in August which I hope to do in 14 days of riding.

    I do need to take on more challenging rides - I slotted in three 100km
    permanents last week with no signs of stress though the one incorporating
    Pateley Bridge was two minutes short of the cut for 100km the fastest -
    Otley to Stamford Bridge and back was despatched in five hours. I've signed
    up for a couple of two hundreds - The Yorkshire Wolds and Coast this coming
    weekend and the Fairburn 200. I'll be using my lighter road bike and newly
    acquired Carradice saddlebag for the Wolds ride but will probably revert to
    the Galaxy for the Fairburn 200 to take advantage of its lower gearing.

    I should get enough rides in to qualify for the Brevet 2000 with rides done
    this this year (20 x 100) and, if I can keep at it, the Brevet 3000
    including rides from last year. A 300 is still a target, possibly at the
    and of August. I'm looking at a really flat route in Lincs/South Yorks/North
    Yorks to ride as a permanent.

  10. "vernon levy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "MartinM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    quick RR; Hard
    longer RR; Very Hard

    vernon's RR 'kin hard

    I was sold this as the hardest 200 in the UK

    Better to live one day as a grimpeur than a life as a member of the flat
    earth society...

    Great report!

    Peter

  11. vernon levy said:

    "MSeries" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    MartinM said:

    vernon levy wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    My 200km perm yesterday had 1.25 AAA points, pretty much up and down for
    the first 100km. 3200m of climbing, the handbook says that a 100km ride
    with this about would warrent 4 AAA points. Actually it says a 100 with
    3000m gets 4 AAA points, doesn't show any more that 3000m for 100s. Just
    because the ride is longer doesn't mean it gets easier though !!!

    Hard lines Vern, seemed too hard to me, I don't like those silly little,
    steep, Dales hills, I prefer the long drags over the Pennines.

    I'd one one or two exploratory rides in the area - Brimham Rocks from
    Wiggington ( the last Wigginton 100) and Pately Bridge via Knareborough and
    Ripley but they were poor preparation for the cruel 20% climb at the start
    of the Grimpeur back to back with Greenhow Hill with no real chance to get
    warmed up and into a rhythm.

    I wish that I'd gradient profiled it all using gmaps before entering. I
    prefer but not necessarily like the long drags. The one to Kirkby Stephen
    from Keld ranks as one of my favourites along with the drag to the Tan Hill
    pub and its liquid refreshements. I'll be playing out there in a fortnight
    and will be taking in the Reeth to Tan Hill drag, The Stang and some off
    road riding around Low Row. Will also fit in a Hamsters concert at Masham.
    It promises to be a busy weekend.

    I'll also be doing a cycle camp weekend riding up to Dent for the Dent
    Festival to see the Peatbog Faeries the same weekend as the York Show.

    It's all fitting together well with the Audax rides for preparation for my
    JOGLE ride in August which I hope to do in 14 days of riding.

    I do need to take on more challenging rides - I slotted in three 100km
    permanents last week with no signs of stress though the one incorporating
    Pateley Bridge was two minutes short of the cut for 100km the fastest -
    Otley to Stamford Bridge and back was despatched in five hours. I've signed
    up for a couple of two hundreds - The Yorkshire Wolds and Coast this coming
    weekend and the Fairburn 200. I'll be using my lighter road bike and newly
    acquired Carradice saddlebag for the Wolds ride but will probably revert to
    the Galaxy for the Fairburn 200 to take advantage of its lower gearing.

    I should get enough rides in to qualify for the Brevet 2000 with rides done
    this this year (20 x 100) and, if I can keep at it, the Brevet 3000
    including rides from last year. A 300 is still a target, possibly at the
    and of August. I'm looking at a really flat route in Lincs/South Yorks/North
    Yorks to ride as a permanent.

    I am doing the Brimham Rocks 200 from Fairburn. If the weather is OK
    I'll be on my Merckx like last year.

  12. AUK make you work pretty hard for those AAA points. I thought our ride
    with 1.25 points was just enjoyably scenic rather than too much of a
    slog, so it was a good day out and there can't be that many audax
    events where you get to meet a knight of the realm at the end either!
    We met Sir Jimmy Saville in Otley and he chatted to us about cycling,
    telling us, amongst other things, about when he did the Tour of Britain!

  13. MartinM said:

    Various Clifton CC riders in the car park from whom I attempted to find
    Arthur Clune (although he was a DNS due to a cold and after riding I
    can see his point entirely).

    Sadly it's not a good ride to try the first week back cycling after
    a cold!

    Quoted message said:

    [re: descent from Jordan's Moss]
    unwelcome climb back up to Greenhow) so after a very hairy descent it
    was repeat of my morning campsite dash, where being veggy was tested to

    That is a very hairy descent. I'm a pretty fast descender but keep the
    brakes on on that one!

    Cheers,

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune

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