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Crank length rules different for NUACC vs. UNICON?

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  1. Hi,

    My 9-year old daughter rides a 20" unicycle. She currently has 3.5"
    cranks on it for her artistic stuff. However, we need to get the right
    cranks for the track (racing) events for NUACC and UNICON.

    I was reading what is posted on the Memphis Unicycle club's site as the
    latest USA rulebook ('usar_final_05-16-02.pdf'
    (http://tinyurl.com/252k)) and in section 2.3.2, it says that a 20"
    unicycle must have minimum 4.5" cranks. On the Unicon XIII's site, the
    IUF rulebook ('iuf_rules_2006.pdf' (http://tinyurl.com/fwrpn)) says in
    section 2.2.2 that 20" unicycles must have minimum 4" cranks.

    The USA rulebook is dated 2002 vs. the IUF rulebook's date of 2006.

    What rules will be used for NUACC in Memphis? The 2002 USA rulebook?
    It seems like the USA rulebook tries to follow the IUF rules mostly,
    and the 2002 USA rulebook has it marked that its crank-length rules
    were consistent with IUF's as of 2002.

    What is the definitive story?

    Thanks,
    Scott Barnhart
    Panther Pride Demo Team parent.

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  2. Barn, it looks like you are correct. I was not aware of this
    discrepancy, which IMHO is a result of the USA book not being updated
    recently. In IUF we changed the crank length for 20" to match up with
    the Japanese rules, because a very large number of 20" racers were from
    Japan.

    Had I realized this earlier, I would have petitioned the NAUCC
    organizers to allow the 102mm cranks for this year. But now it's too
    close to competition time, and riders who have 114s and not 102s would
    be at a disadvantage. So for optimum performance you're going to want
    two different pairs of cranks. Or, if racing isn't that serious for
    your daughter (yes her, not you) you can just stick with the 114s so
    she doesn't have to adjust to different sizes.

    If she's not spending lots of hours training for the races it's not
    likely to make a big difference. Check the finishing times in her age
    group from the last few Unicons to get a reference of the kinds of
    speeds to expect.

    I'll make a note of this discrepancy so we make sure it getes addressed
    before NAUCC 2007!

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  3. John,

    Thanks for the clarification. I will talk w/ my daughter and see what
    she wants to do, but knowing her, she will probably want to be as
    competitive as possible. I think by the time UNICON is over, I will
    be *much* faster at changing out cranks! 🙂

    Thanks again,
    Scott

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  4. It looks like I won't be able to do any races, since my muni (only 24" I
    have) wheel diameter is over the limit. Oh well, I don't care about
    racing anyway.

    Regarding the inch/mm thing. I can never use metric measurement myself,
    except when it comes to crank size. I have no clue what a 4 1/2" crank
    is, but I immediately know how short a 114mm crank is. I can even
    recognize a 150 from 165's, and I instantly know what people are
    talking about when they use metric for cranks, but imperial measurement
    I'm lost. What a switch.

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  5. forrestunifreak said:

    It looks like I won't be able to do any races, since my muni (only 24" I
    have) wheel diameter is over the limit. Oh well, I don't care about
    racing anyway.

    Have you tried getting a lower profile tire for your unicycle? They
    should fit the same rim and a slick tread should be better for
    road/track racing

    jim

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  6. How about crank size for 24" wheels ?

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  7. For 24" unicycles the minimal crank length is 125mm (which is slightly
    shorter than 5"😉. This minimal crank length for 24" racing unis hasn't
    changed.

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  8. I think there should be a rule that requires 20 mm. cranks for NAUCC:p

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  9. Jim said:

    Have you tried getting a lower profile tire for your unicycle? They
    should fit the same rim and a slick tread should be better for
    road/track racing

    Good suggestion. Also remember the offroad (MUni) events don't have
    wheel size or crank length limitations. So you're good to go for any
    cross country, downhill, uphill or unlimited road races.

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  10. bbraf said:

    For 24" unicycles the minimal crank length is 125mm (which is slightly
    shorter than 5"😉.

    This is NOT consistent with the current IUF rules (applicable to
    UNICON 13), which state:

    "For 24” wheels, crank arms may be no shorter than 125mm (5”)."

    So the rules seem to equate 125 mm to 5", while 5" is actually 127 mm.
    That means that someone who reads that and only uses imperial
    measures, effectively thinks he cannot have cranks shorter than 127
    mm. This could well mean an unfair disadvantage of 30 seconds in a 10
    km race as compared to riders with 125 mm cranks, which is certainly
    not negligible.

    I have objected in the past about this discrepancy in the IUF rules
    (and other similar ones) but it is still there. I would advocate the
    exclusive use of metric measures in the IUF rules. If so desired by
    the Rules Committee, the conversion factor could be stated in brackets
    with all decimal places known, e.g. (1" = 25.4 mm).

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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  11. The revolution of a 125 is 1.5% shorter than the revolution of a 127,
    which is negligible at our level. It's true that if you make a simple
    equation you might wanna think that it leads to 1.5% more power hence a
    27s advantage on a 30min long race. But all it gives you is less torque
    (which on a uni leads to more speed), so it might be an advantage on
    flatland, but the scenario is different when you go uphill.

    Plus anybody who is serious about unicycling and who stands a serious
    chance, whether he uses imperial or metric will know he can get that
    125mm cranks rather than 5".

    I agree with you though, using imperial system in an internationnal
    federation is outdated and irrelevant, they should really drop that
    reference -even though everything in a cycle has an imperial friendly
    lenght (seat posts, pedal threads, cranks, rims, you name it...).

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  12. I assume there evidently won't be any crank limitation for the Marathon,
    how about the 10k ?

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  13. I assume you're question is about the races at UNICON XIII.

    The Marathon is run as a -Unlimited -race only. So no restrictions
    concerning wheelsize or minimal crank length are applicable.

    The 10km race is run both for the -Standard -wheel sizes (20" for U11
    and 24" for 11Up) and as a -Unlimited -race.

    For the Standard 10km race the appropriate IUF Rules apply and for the
    10km Unlimited it is the same as for the Marathon.

    So the answer is: it depends on what you are registered for.

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  14. Yes indeed, I was talking about the Unicon. Thank you for your answer, I
    was slightly confused.

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