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  1. An article in the NY Times today, 9/29, talks about selling off the rights to develop land along the
    Erie Canal. Cutting in small channels into the main canal.

    nytimes.com29ERIE.html

    Isn't there a recreational path along the canal? What affect would this have on recreational
    facilities? Is this something the cycling community needs to be concerned about?

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  2. Bob Kastigar said:


    Isn't there a recreational path along the canal? What affect would this have on recreational
    facilities? Is this something the cycling community needs to be concerned about?

    I thought I had replied to this, but the reply doesn't show. Yes there is a recreational path in
    progress -- much of it has been completed. I don't know how these cuts would affect it.

    Here is an eMail which I did for some fellow canal buffs:

    I think it is a bum deal, but the article, especially the headline, does not put the deal in
    perspective.

    1. The Erie Canal was NOT sold, but access rights were sold to a certain percentage of the canal
    length -- that is, the right to make cuts from real estate developments to the Canal.

    2. The price was not $30,000, but $30,000 plus an additional sum for each cut.

    Some valid arguments can be made for some deal of this sort. The article mentioned that the Canal is
    costing some 70 million dollars a year versus a few million dollars in revenue, the difference being
    subsidized by N.Y. Thruway revenues. I understand that commercial use of the Canal for transport of
    goods and commodities is nil. Leisure use of the Canal is limited, especially the Western portion
    where the height of the lift bridges prevents usage by cabin cruisers and passenger cruise boats.
    Something has to be done to promote usage in order to justify the cost. Cabin cruisers with flying
    bridges navigating between Lake Erie and the Atlantic, especially the inland waterway, have to take
    the Welland Canal to Lake Ontario, and then the Oswego Canal to the Eastern portion of the Erie
    Canal (which is canalized rivers) to the Hudson River. The Western portion of the Erie is deep
    enough that cruising sailboats can use it if they take the masts down.

    However, the deal made seems to be a sweetheart deal pushed through by a speculator with connections
    with no assurance at all that it will ever produce usage or revenues.

    a. The rights are to make an undetermined number of cuts along an unspecified percentage of its
    length. There is no assurance that there will ever be any development, or that any eventual
    development would be beneficial to the Canal. I think that the deal might in fact block others
    from making more suitable proposals.

    b. From the article, it appeared that the formula for determining fees for each cut is
    extremely vague.

    c. The article did not address possible impact on or accommodation of the CanalWay
    bicycling/hiking trail presently in various stages of completion along the trail.

    Here is more information about the CanalWay Trail:

    canals.state.ny.ustrail nypca.orgindex.shtml

    Here are some map pages:

    canals.state.ny.usindex.html nypca.orgcanalway traillg.shtml

    Here is the official canal web site home page:

    canals.state.ny.usindex.html

    Some other links:

    eriecanal.orgcanal links.html nycanal.comnycanal.com
    history.rochester.educanal syracuse.comeriecanal
    palmyrany.comcanal.htm users.erols.comlinks.html
    history.rochester.edubib nyhistory.comErie Canal.htm
    westernny.comerie.html encyclopedianys.syr.eduerie q.htm
    cobblestonepub.comErieCanal.html canals.orgerie.htm
    village.canastota.ny.uscanal.htm dencities.comeriecanal.html
    newyorkstategifts.comercasobercag.html
    geography.about.comaa102000a.htm fogvg.orghome.html
    (Genesee Canal)

    A Google or other search will come up with additional links. Also, some of the links in this eMail
    have link pages as well.

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  3. Having grown up outin the country on the Canal and spending many years biking, running & skiing on
    the towpath and paddling the canal, this is truly outrageous. It smacks of political favoritism and
    is probably the case where this republican crony was tipped off, as well as the NYS Thruway
    Authority ensuring few if any folks ever saw the request for bid. I am curious to see how the
    request for bid was worded and if it was hidden in legalese to prevent other bidders from
    understanding or bidding. What a shame.

    "Bob Kastigar" <R-Kastigar@DELETE_THISneiu.edu> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    An article in the NY Times today, 9/29, talks about selling off the rights to develop land along
    the Erie Canal. Cutting in small channels into the main canal.

    nytimes.com29ERIE.html

    Isn't there a recreational path along the canal? What affect would this have on recreational
    facilities? Is this something the cycling community needs to be concerned about?

    --
    Bob Kastigar; "][email hidden] Home: neiu.edu~rkastiga Work:
    wgntv.comwgntv.com School: neiu.eduneiu.edu Play: neiu.edu~stagectr Union:
    ibew1220.orgibew1220.org (Chicago, IL USA) finger [email hidden]

    "Sweet Old Bob" (or just the initials)


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