Why aren't bikes allowed on freeways.???

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

The problem stems from tractor-trailers and the excessive air
turbulence in their wake. Having one pass you at a 50 mph differential
would likely cause one to fall.

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Simple, really....most states have at least a 40 mph minimum legal
speed on the freeways. The best bike operators can only go about 30.
Same reason tractors are not allowed on freeways.

morticide said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Simple, really....most states have at least a 40 mph minimum legal
speed on the freeways. The best bike operators can only go about 30.
Same reason tractors are not allowed on freeways.

I'm imagining a gal on a 27 speed mountain bike at the bottom of a
metered ramp leading a long line of cars up at 4mph while looking at
traffic flying by at 65mph.

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Simply put, in deference to you. "Vroom, *squish*"

That 'wide berm' you refer to is, in fact, what is known as an
'Emergency Lane', used, strangely enough, during emergencies. It
may be used by disabled vehicles, as an area to change a tire or even
as access by Emergency vehicles, (see, that 'emergency' thang
again).

Once again you demonstrate your seriously lacking reasoning abilities.

Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.

"Never underestimate the stupidity of liberals."

morticide said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Simple, really....most states have at least a 40 mph minimum legal
speed on the freeways. The best bike operators can only go about 30.
Same reason tractors are not allowed on freeways.

I know that, you nitwit. Obviously that law needs to be changed.

On 19 Jun 2006 11:42:02 -0700, "Grendel" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Simply put, in deference to you. "Vroom, *squish*"

That 'wide berm' you refer to is, in fact, what is known as an
'Emergency Lane', used, strangely enough, during emergencies. It
may be used by disabled vehicles, as an area to change a tire or even
as access by Emergency vehicles, (see, that 'emergency' thang
again).

Oh get serious. 99.9999999% of freeway berm space is not being used
for anything!!!!!!! THINK

morticide said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Simple, really....most states have at least a 40 mph minimum legal
speed on the freeways. The best bike operators can only go about 30.
Same reason tractors are not allowed on freeways.

Yet many states do allow bicycles on freeways.

Wayne

Grendel said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Simply put, in deference to you. "Vroom, *squish*"

That 'wide berm' you refer to is, in fact, what is known as an
'Emergency Lane', used, strangely enough, during emergencies. It
may be used by disabled vehicles, as an area to change a tire or even
as access by Emergency vehicles, (see, that 'emergency' thang
again).

Once again you demonstrate your seriously lacking reasoning abilities.

And the reason a bicyclist couldn't/shouldn't use the "Emergency Lane"
is.....?

Wayne

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

morticide said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Simple, really....most states have at least a 40 mph minimum legal
speed on the freeways. The best bike operators can only go about 30.
Same reason tractors are not allowed on freeways.

I know that, you nitwit. Obviously that law needs to be changed.

So you'd rather make it so it takes, say, 3 days to go from Kansas City
to St. Louis rather than the current 4 hours? Commerce would grind to
a screeching halt.

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Bikes ARE allowed on freeways in the west. ANywhere where the freeway
is the only reasonable route between two points, they are allowed.
And, things work our just fine. They do require you to exit at every
car exit, cross at the top of the exit, and reenter.

You can ride on I-25 between Pueblo and Walsenburg on your bike.

You can ride parts of I-70 going west over the mountains on your bike.

BUt, you are right in that if another reasonable path is availabe, then
they are not allowed. Personally, I don't enjoy riding on freeways.

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

I'd be in favor of this if you would first change the laws so that I
cannot be sued when my 85mph car splatters somebody going 15mph on a
bicycle...

Otherwise your cause would destroy what is left of our country simply
by overwhelming the courts with personal injury cases...

Arif Khokar said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

The problem stems from tractor-trailers and the excessive air
turbulence in their wake. Having one pass you at a 50 mph differential
would likely cause one to fall.

Many western states allow bicycles on freeway shoulders in areas where
there are no good alternate routes. I've ridden on I-680, I-580, and
freeway sections of US101 in California where bicycles are allowed on
freeways except when the on-ramp sign explicitly prohibits them.
Here's a picture showing a sign that omits the mention of bicycles at
the on-ramp on a bike-legal section of Hwy. 101 freeway:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/549966386/2425880810047976201wvlkfY

Passing truck traffic did not cause any problems even with the added
wind-catching panniers we used for carrying our touring gear - in fact
the artificial wind from their passing was a nice little boost.
Bicycles are prohibited from more urban sections of California freeways
where alternate routes exist and where crowded on- and off-ramps would
create more hazards.

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Err, as someone else mentioned, they are allowed on freeways in the
west. At least outside main city drags. I've done it, it's not the
best cycling environment, but it's doable. Really, this is pretty much
a non-subject.

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incomplete and saying: "Now it's complete because it's ended here."
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Quoted message said:

And the reason a bicyclist couldn't/shouldn't use the "Emergency Lane"
is.....?

Wayne

The same reason so many people are killed every year in the emergency lane
(sometimes while sitting in their car, even). There is a reason it is
called the EMERGENCY lane. If you are in that lane, you have an emergency,
or you are ABOUT TO have an emergency.

I know the only time I had an unexpected flat tire, I drove about 30 feet
off the road (a couple car-lengths into the grass) before I pulled out the
jack. Nobody would have cared if I used the emergency lane to change the
tire, but no way was I going to risk my life for a stupid flat. -Dave

peter said:

Passing truck traffic did not cause any problems even with the added
wind-catching panniers we used for carrying our touring gear - in fact
the artificial wind from their passing was a nice little boost.
Bicycles are prohibited from more urban sections of California freeways
where alternate routes exist and where crowded on- and off-ramps would
create more hazards.

Aren't there berms on the on-off ramps in CA?

morticide said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

morticide said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
> berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
> into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
> encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

Simple, really....most states have at least a 40 mph minimum legal
speed on the freeways. The best bike operators can only go about 30.
Same reason tractors are not allowed on freeways.

I know that, you nitwit. Obviously that law needs to be changed.

So you'd rather make it so it takes, say, 3 days to go from Kansas City
to St. Louis rather than the current 4 hours? Commerce would grind to
a screeching halt.

Hey stupid. The bikes would be confined to the berm of course, and
would not interfere with motorized drivers.

On 19 Jun 2006 12:10:01 -0700, "Grendel" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

This doesn't even get into the fact that cyclist would be blown off of
the berm or sucked into the path of traffic by the slipstream from one
fast moving Peterbilt.

Bikes are allowed on regular two lane highways where speed limits are
60 mph. Why doesn't it happen there? Again i say THINK.

Crash said:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

I'd be in favor of this if you would first change the laws so that I
cannot be sued when my 85mph car splatters somebody going 15mph on a
bicycle...

Stay off the berm and leave it for the cyclists and don't drive 85
mph. 85 is only for psychopaths.

On 19 Jun 2006 11:54:25 -0700, "Colorado Bicycler" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bikes ARE allowed on freeways in the west. They do require you to exit at every
car exit, cross at the top of the exit, and reenter.

HUH??? Are you sure about that? Why would they have such a law?