UCI Regulations and Landis' bike

Gemma_k said:

How does Landis get away with this?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour060/JD_06TDFplg15

UCI rules still say that the handlebar and extension must be below the level
of the seat - where are the commissaires????
Applicable rules below....
1.3.022 d) Structure

In competitions other than those covered by article 1.3.023, only the
traditional type of handlebars
(see diagram «structure 1») may be used. The point of support for thehands
must be positioned in
an area defined as follows: above, by the horizontal plane of the point of
support of the saddle (B); ...

This rule applies to races that are not TTs (or pursuit/kilo/500m).

Quoted message said:

1.3.023 For road time trial competitions and for the following track
competitions: individual and team pursuit,
kilometre and 500 m, an extension may be added to the steering system. The
distance
between the vertical line passing through the bottom bracket axle and the
extremity of the handlebar
may not exceed 75 cm, with the other limits set in article 1.3.022 (B,C,D)
remaining
unchanged. A support for the elbows or forearms is permitted (see diagram
«Structure (1B)»).
For road time trial competitions, controls or levers fixed to the handlebar
extension may extend
beyond the 75 cm limit as long as they do not constitute a change of use,
particularly that of providing
an alternative hand position beyond the 75 cm mark.

This rule, for TTs, doesn't say anything about the bar height.
It sets a maximum forward reach of the bar extensions,
with the effect of ruling out the Obree "superman" position.

Landis's base bar is below the saddle, although it doesn't
seem to me that 1.3.022 applies to TTs anyway. Only the
extensions stick up. Other riders have used upward
pointing extensions, though not that extreme. In fact,
the aero bars Lemond used in 1989 sloped up fairly
steeply (of course the rules were different then, I'm just
pointing out that it is not a totally new idea), see pictures:

<http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/1999/tour_de_france/news/1999/07/03/flashback_lemond/>
<http://www.bicycleposters.com/573.html>

Floyd's aerobars look like a normal set of extensions rotated
up, so he doesn't seem to be gaining an unfair equipment
advantage, in the sense that anyone else could do the same.

I hope that Floyd does well in this Tour so that I can watch for
whether the Masters Fattie bike racers, triathletes, and
overenthusiastic civilians I see around start riding with their
aerobars pointing up. Consider it an experiment in MF sociology.

Ben
RBR VP of Marketing

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Gemma_k said:

How does Landis get away with this?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour060/JD_06TDFplg15

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1.3.023 For road time trial competitions and for the following track
competitions: individual and team pursuit,
kilometre and 500 m, an extension may be added to the steering system.
The
distance
between the vertical line passing through the bottom bracket axle and the
extremity of the handlebar
may not exceed 75 cm, with the other limits set in article 1.3.022
(B,C,D)
remaining
unchanged. <snip>

Quoted message said:

This rule, for TTs, doesn't say anything about the bar height.
It sets a maximum forward reach of the bar extensions,
with the effect of ruling out the Obree "superman" position.

Yes it does - read the rule again, particularly this portion "with the other
limits set in article 1.3.022 (B,C,D)
remaining unchanged."

It helps if you look at the rule from the UCI's webpage, cause there's a
diagram as well :-)
At the (aus) national champs last year plently of people were turned away
for having the bars rotated too high... you could get away with having the
gear shifters above the saddle (because they don't constitute a hand
position) but that was all....
So again, what's happened to the tour's commissaires?

Gemm

bjw said:

I hope that Floyd does well in this Tour so that I can watch for
whether the Masters Fattie bike racers, triathletes, and
overenthusiastic civilians I see around start riding with their
aerobars pointing up. Consider it an experiment in MF sociology.

Kind of like when all the MFs replaced their tt bars with the straight ones
they saw LA use in the Lance Chronicles last year?

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(') said:

How does Landis get away with this?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour060/JD_06TDFplg15

Quoted message said:

UCI rules still say that the handlebar and extension must be below the
level of the seat - where are the commissaires????

Oh, that one's easy, I know that one.

His name isn't Obree.

Who, come to think of it, is the only pro cyclist whom I can say with
full confidence, hand on heart, I am certain has never used performance
enhancing drugs. Performance enhancing marmalade sandwiches are, of
course, another issue altogether.

--
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Ring of great evil
Small one casts it into flame
Bringing rise of Men ;; gonzoron

On 1 Jul 2006 20:12:15 -0700, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Gemma_k said:

How does Landis get away with this?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour060/JD_06TDFplg15

UCI rules still say that the handlebar and extension must be below the level
of the seat - where are the commissaires????
Applicable rules below....
1.3.022 d) Structure

In competitions other than those covered by article 1.3.023, only the
traditional type of handlebars
(see diagram «structure 1») may be used. The point of support for the hands
must be positioned in
an area defined as follows: above, by the horizontal plane of the point of
support of the saddle (B); ...

This rule applies to races that are not TTs (or pursuit/kilo/500m).

Quoted message said:

1.3.023 For road time trial competitions and for the following track
competitions: individual and team pursuit,
kilometre and 500 m, an extension may be added to the steering system. The
distance
between the vertical line passing through the bottom bracket axle and the
extremity of the handlebar
may not exceed 75 cm, with the other limits set in article 1.3.022 (B,C,D)
remaining
unchanged. A support for the elbows or forearms is permitted (see diagram
«Structure (1B)»).
For road time trial competitions, controls or levers fixed to the handlebar
extension may extend
beyond the 75 cm limit as long as they do not constitute a change of use,
particularly that of providing
an alternative hand position beyond the 75 cm mark.

This rule, for TTs, doesn't say anything about the bar height.
It sets a maximum forward reach of the bar extensions,
with the effect of ruling out the Obree "superman" position.

Landis's base bar is below the saddle, although it doesn't
seem to me that 1.3.022 applies to TTs anyway. Only the
extensions stick up. Other riders have used upward
pointing extensions, though not that extreme. In fact,
the aero bars Lemond used in 1989 sloped up fairly
steeply (of course the rules were different then, I'm just
pointing out that it is not a totally new idea), see pictures:

<http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/1999/tour_de_france/news/1999/07/03/flashback_lemond/>
<http://www.bicycleposters.com/573.html>

Floyd's aerobars look like a normal set of extensions rotated
up, so he doesn't seem to be gaining an unfair equipment
advantage, in the sense that anyone else could do the same.

I hope that Floyd does well in this Tour so that I can watch for
whether the Masters Fattie bike racers, triathletes, and
overenthusiastic civilians I see around start riding with their
aerobars pointing up. Consider it an experiment in MF sociology.

There's already a lot of awfully tall aero bars out there.

Ron

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Gemma_k said:

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Gemma_k said:

How does Landis get away with this?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour
06/tour060/JD_06TDFplg15

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1.3.023 For road time trial competitions and for the following track
competitions: individual and team pursuit,
kilometre and 500 m, an extension may be added to the steering system.
The
distance
between the vertical line passing through the bottom bracket axle and the
extremity of the handlebar
may not exceed 75 cm, with the other limits set in article 1.3.022
(B,C,D)
remaining
unchanged. <snip>

Quoted message said:

This rule, for TTs, doesn't say anything about the bar height.
It sets a maximum forward reach of the bar extensions,
with the effect of ruling out the Obree "superman" position.

Yes it does - read the rule again, particularly this portion "with the other
limits set in article 1.3.022 (B,C,D)
remaining unchanged."

It helps if you look at the rule from the UCI's webpage, cause there's a
diagram as well :-)
At the (aus) national champs last year plently of people were turned away
for having the bars rotated too high... you could get away with having the
gear shifters above the saddle (because they don't constitute a hand
position) but that was all....
So again, what's happened to the tour's commissaires?

Gemm

Morphological exemption?

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to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

On 2006-07-02, Gemma_k (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

How does Landis get away with this?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour060/JD_06TDFplg15

UCI rules still say that the handlebar and extension must be below the level
of the seat - where are the commissaires????
Applicable rules below....

....

Well, I didn't see the latter part of the time trial lastnight,
because of this morning's early ride, but Phil and Paul just told us
that he had to change his bike at the last moment because of either an
anonymous complaint, or the referees themselves decided it was
illegal. Odd that he has been riding it since January though.

I was looking forward to seeing him ride that, dammit.

--
TimC

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I sit in a chair, pressing small plastic rectangles with my fingers
while peering at many tiny, colored dots. -- Peter Manders

Gemma_k said:

How does Landis get away with this?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour060/JD_06TDFplg15

UCI rules still say that the handlebar and extension must be below the level
of the seat - where are the commissaires????
Applicable rules below....
1.3.022 d) Structure

wow you are influential Gemma, the international referees finally
cracked down on Floyd's bars for yesterdays TT according to
P&P's commentary tonight.

Andre