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  1. Original post
    B. Lafferty
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    Jaksche's doctor: drug use common
    German doctor Kurt Moosburger, who has looked after Jörg Jaksche (among
    others) for the past two years, has told dpa that he believes that
    performance enhancing drugs are "indispensable" for high level cycling

    In a frank interview, Moosburger pointed to the average speeds of modern
    professional races, especially hard tours. "The average in last year's Tour
    was 41 kilometres per hour - that is incredible. You can do a hard Alpine
    stage without doping. But after that, the muscles are exhausted. You need -
    depending on your training conditions - up to three days in order to
    regenerate."

    To help recover, testosterone and human growth hormone can be used. "Both
    are made by the body and are therefore natural substances," he said. "They
    help to build muscle as well as in muscle recovery."

    Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone
    patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum and
    leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to
    produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually
    recovers faster." ...............

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul07news3

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  2. Tere
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    #2

    B. Lafferty wrote:
    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone
    patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum and
    leave it there for about six hours.


    [snip]

    That's the easy part. Taking it off, OTOH, is different story...

    If you can pull it off, you don't need the extra testosterone...

    I wonder if we'll see an increase in treatment of square abrasions on
    the scrotum. "I read it on the Internet. It's gotta be true!"

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  3. Email address hidden
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    #3
    B. Lafferty said:

    Jaksche's doctor: drug use common
    German doctor Kurt Moosburger, who has looked after Jörg Jaksche (among
    others) for the past two years, has told dpa that he believes that
    performance enhancing drugs are "indispensable" for high level cycling. (snip)

    There's never going to be a "clean" Tour, Brian. Never was going to be
    one, either. But, certainly not until every possible usable substance
    (whether actually performance-enhancing or not) is reliably, quickly
    "test-able". Including gene modification, of course.

    Here's a quick read:

    ms-se.comabstract.00005768 200606000 00005.htm;jsessionid=Gn7dGyCvJqyqc91dbb30bdM7qdCsjnvTS3dhGK8gJ57DHbLyFXQ

    The picture you paint of "seeing riders suffering in the mountains" is
    perhaps not without a dark side of its own.

    Leading to a rational approach, perhaps? Some day? Rules that leave
    persons and personalities out of the equation?

    "Discuss". Thank you! --D-y

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  4. B. Lafferty
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    #4

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    B. Lafferty said:

    Jaksche's doctor: drug use common
    German doctor Kurt Moosburger, who has looked after Jörg Jaksche (among
    others) for the past two years, has told dpa that he believes that
    performance enhancing drugs are "indispensable" for high level cycling.
    (snip)

    There's never going to be a "clean" Tour, Brian. Never was going to be
    one, either. But, certainly not until every possible usable substance
    (whether actually performance-enhancing or not) is reliably, quickly
    "test-able". Including gene modification, of course.
    --------------------
    I basically agree. As Bill wrote, you can only make the cesspool cleaner.
    -----------------------
    Here's a quick read:

    ms-se.comabstract.00005768 200606000 00005.htm;jsessionid=Gn7dGyCvJqyqc91dbb30bdM7qdCsjnvTS3dhGK8gJ57DHbLyFXQ
    -----------------------
    No more intervals here.
    -------------------------
    The picture you paint of "seeing riders suffering in the mountains" is
    perhaps not without a dark side of its own.
    ------------------------------
    Better to suffer and recover than compromise ones medical future. But, for
    how much money would you or I bend with the wind?

    Leading to a rational approach, perhaps? Some day? Rules that leave
    persons and personalities out of the equation?

    "Discuss". Thank you! --D-y

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  5. Email address hidden
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    #5
    B. Lafferty said:

    Jaksche's doctor: drug use common
    To help recover, testosterone and human growth hormone can be used. "Both
    are made by the body and are therefore natural substances," he said. "They
    help to build muscle as well as in muscle recovery."

    Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone
    patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum and
    leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to
    produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually
    recovers faster." ...............

    Right, scrotum inspections for everyone!

    Even [censored] Pound isn't signing up for that. But at least now we know
    why Ronde Champ always told people who asked about leg shaving to
    make sure they went all the way up.

    Jaksche's out, though, so doesn't that mean the Tour is clean
    after all?

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  6. h squared
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    #6
    Quoted message said:

    Right, scrotum inspections for everyone!

    Even [censored] Pound isn't signing up for that.

    well, to be honest, i was moderately interested in the job.

    h

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  7. routebear
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    #7
    Quoted message said:

    Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone
    patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum


    and

    Quoted message said:

    leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to
    produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually
    recovers faster." ...............

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul07news3

    The burning question is, how do women cyclists benefit from this type of
    treatment? I'm going to need pictures to be absoutely clear.

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  8. RicodJour
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    #8
    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Jaksche's doctor: drug use common
    To help recover, testosterone and human growth hormone can be used. "Both
    are made by the body and are therefore natural substances," he said. "They
    help to build muscle as well as in muscle recovery."

    Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone
    patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum and
    leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to
    produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually
    recovers faster." ...............

    Right, scrotum inspections for everyone!

    Even [censored] Pound isn't signing up for that. But at least now we know
    why Ronde Champ always told people who asked about leg shaving to
    make sure they went all the way up.

    WTF is happening to this newsgroup?! Now we're discussing scrotum
    inspections, caffeine enemas, Brian brings up his sordid S/M perversion
    (really no surprise there), the guy in charge of keeping things clean
    is named [censored] Pound. I might as well go hang out over at
    alt.sex.furry.little animals. You're all a bunch of perverts!

    R

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  9. Email address hidden
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    #9

    B. Lafferty wrote:

    ("clean Tour impossible)

    Quoted message said:

    I basically agree. As Bill wrote, you can only make the cesspool cleaner.

    (I posted this link):

    Quoted message said:

    ms-se.comabstract.00005768 200606000 00005.htm;jsessionid=Gn7dGyCvJqyqc91dbb30bdM7qdCsjnvTS3dhGK8gJ57DHbLyFXQ

    (response):

    Quoted message said:

    No more intervals here.

    I always knew there was something wrong with intervals. Looks like I
    was right, too.

    (Brian):

    Quoted message said:

    Better to suffer and recover than compromise ones medical future.

    Why the assumed mutual exclusivity?

    Contrast the "unfit to start" hematocrit sanctions with the "Get Tyler"
    campaign in terms of effectiveness in limiting dangerous practices, and
    impact on public perception of the sport of cycling.

    The fact that the police are doing most all of the "catching" part of
    "catch and punish" process (that will never clean up sports in the
    first place) is an embarrassing indictment of the WADA Way in my humble
    opinion.

    Quoted message said:

    But, for
    how much money would you or I bend with the wind?

    Don't forget fame/glory, name in the record books, and the ability to
    mate freely.

    Fortunately, I've never been good enough to be tempted...

    Thank you. --D-y

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  10. Andre
    Archived post
    #10

    No wonder some riders get testicular cancer.

    routebear said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone
    patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum


    and

    Quoted message said:

    leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to
    produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually
    recovers faster." ...............

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul07news3

    The burning question is, how do women cyclists benefit from this type of
    treatment? I'm going to need pictures to be absoutely clear.

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  11. Jonathan v.d. Sluis
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    #11

    "Andre" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    No wonder some riders get testicular cancer.

    Testicular cancer in particular proves absolutely nothing.

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  12. Charles
    Archived post
    #12

    "Tere" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    B. Lafferty wrote:
    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard


    testosterone

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    leave it there for about six hours.


    [snip]

    That's the easy part. Taking it off, OTOH, is different story...

    If you can pull it off, you don't need the extra testosterone...

    I wonder if we'll see an increase in treatment of square abrasions on
    the scrotum. "I read it on the Internet. It's gotta be true!"


    Maybe [censored] Pound & Co. should do scrotum checks at breakfast. Anyone found
    with a patch, or evidence of having had one, is kicked in the balls and sent
    bye bye.

    Charles

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  13. Donald Munro
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    #13
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Right, scrotum inspections for everyone!
    Even [censored] Pound isn't signing up for that.

    h squared said:

    well, to be honest, i was moderately interested in the job.

    Just for the doughnuts ?

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