race of truth ends tour.

Callistus Valerius said:

It was obvious after the TT today that the Giant bikes of T-Mobile are
far superior to anything else out there. The Treks arn't cutting it
anymore, and how 'bout that Specialized that Levi was riding, is there
anything slower? The BMC bikes, that Phonak is riding, may be the only
thing that can compete with the Giants. Personally, I don't like Giants,
because I think they are too light, and the wheelbase is too short, but it
is obvious today they are the superior machine, in the tdf environment.

Dumbass,

According to the proposed Lafferty rule everyone will be compelled to ride
a single speed track bike next year.

Callistus Valerius said:

It was obvious after the TT today that the Giant bikes of T-Mobile are
far superior to anything else out there. The Treks arn't cutting it
anymore, and how 'bout that Specialized that Levi was riding, is there
anything slower? The BMC bikes, that Phonak is riding, may be the only
thing that can compete with the Giants. Personally, I don't like Giants,
because I think they are too light, and the wheelbase is too short, but it
is obvious today they are the superior machine, in the tdf environment.

Dumbass,

According to the proposed Lafferty rule everyone will be compelled to ride
a single speed track bike next year.

I'm sure you were fishing for this, so I'll oblige you.

It's not about the bike. If it were, CSC would have taken all the top
spots and Bobby Julich wouldn't have crashed 'cuz everyone knows that
Cervelos can do no wrong. At least the trithletes know that over at
Slowtwitch.com.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)
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Quoted message said:

It was obvious after the TT today that the Giant bikes of T-Mobile are
far superior to anything else out there. The Treks arn't cutting it
anymore, and how 'bout that Specialized that Levi was riding, is there
anything slower? The BMC bikes, that Phonak is riding, may be the only
thing that can compete with the Giants. Personally, I don't like Giants,
because I think they are too light, and the wheelbase is too short, but it
is obvious today they are the superior machine, in the tdf environment.

Callistus Valerius said:

It was obvious after the TT today that the Giant bikes of T-Mobile are
far superior to anything else out there. The Treks arn't cutting it
anymore, and how 'bout that Specialized that Levi was riding, is there
anything slower? The BMC bikes, that Phonak is riding, may be the only
thing that can compete with the Giants. Personally, I don't like Giants,
because I think they are too light, and the wheelbase is too short, but it
is obvious today they are the superior machine, in the tdf environment.

Giant has made vast improvements in their bikes this year. Last year
they were just about the same as everyone else's, this year they're
faster. The biggest improvement is that they've disposed of the
"emasculation pink" paint scheme. By my calculations, that change alone
was good for a 1:53 improvement in the stage seven time trial.

Glad someone noticed.

Lots of sarcasm in this thread, but figuring out the explanation for
the superior performance of almost the entire T-mobile team in the
stage 7 time trial is a worthy topic for discussion. It's a
statistical impossibility that they all "just had a good day". So
what aspect of their training, gear, or strategy accounts for their
systematically good performance?

Tim Lines said:

Giant has made vast improvements in their bikes this year. Last year
they were just about the same as everyone else's, this year they're
faster. The biggest improvement is that they've disposed of the
"emasculation pink" paint scheme. By my calculations, that change alone
was good for a 1:53 improvement in the stage seven time trial.

Glad someone noticed.

So there's a relationship between the pinkness of the bike and the
effectiveness of the riders scrotal patch ?

LastToKnow said:

the superior performance of almost the entire T-mobile team in the
stage 7 time trial is a worthy topic for discussion. So
what aspect of their training, gear, or strategy accounts for their
systematically good performance?

They asked Dr Fuentes to not use the phone nor to write anything down.

The real reason Giants look so fast this year in the Tour, Cannondales
are not there.

Donald Munro said:

Tim Lines said:

Giant has made vast improvements in their bikes this year. Last year
they were just about the same as everyone else's, this year they're
faster. The biggest improvement is that they've disposed of the
"emasculation pink" paint scheme. By my calculations, that change alone
was good for a 1:53 improvement in the stage seven time trial.

Glad someone noticed.

So there's a relationship between the pinkness of the bike and the
effectiveness of the riders scrotal patch ?

If you've been so emasculated that you'll ride a pink bike, there is
nowhere to put the patch.

LastToKnow said:

It's a
statistical impossibility that they all "just had a good day".

I've been trying to come up with something this silly for the last 2
weeks, and you just knocked this one out of the park.

LastToKnow said:

Lots of sarcasm in this thread, but figuring out the explanation for
the superior performance of almost the entire T-mobile team in the
stage 7 time trial is a worthy topic for discussion. It's a
statistical impossibility that they all "just had a good day". So
what aspect of their training, gear, or strategy accounts for their
systematically good performance?

Kindly explain how it is a "statistical impossibility" that one of the
best teams in the world, riding without their original leader so that
most of their riders now have a chance to show themselves, managed to
place 1st, 4th, 6th, 8th, 14th, 16th, and 34th.

-RJ

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LastToKnow (') said:

Lots of sarcasm in this thread, but figuring out the explanation for
the superior performance of almost the entire T-mobile team in the
stage 7 time trial is a worthy topic for discussion. It's a
statistical impossibility that they all "just had a good day". So
what aspect of their training, gear, or strategy accounts for their
systematically good performance?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: either they're still getting
sprinkles on their morning cornflakes, or else they never did.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth
;; knowledge increaseth sorrow.." - Ecclesiastes 1:18

ronaldo_jeremiah said:

LastToKnow said:

Lots of sarcasm in this thread, but figuring out the explanation for
the superior performance of almost the entire T-mobile team in the
stage 7 time trial is a worthy topic for discussion. It's a
statistical impossibility that they all "just had a good day". So
what aspect of their training, gear, or strategy accounts for their
systematically good performance?

Kindly explain how it is a "statistical impossibility" that one of the
best teams in the world, riding without their original leader so that
most of their riders now have a chance to show themselves, managed to
place 1st, 4th, 6th, 8th, 14th, 16th, and 34th.

We don't have controlled data and controlled experiments, so of course
I am speaking a bit colloquially and not the way one would do in a
scientific journal or a court of law. Nevertheless, I believe that if
one built a statistical model predicting the estimated time trial
performance (differential) of all the riders participating in TdF stage
7 based on their past performances, all of the T-mobile riders were
about a minute or so faster than what such a model would have
predicted. Like I said, I don't have such a model and I'm just
giving an opinion on Usenet, but I believe such a model could be
constructed and would come out about in the way I'm describing it. If
so, one could also put some kind of confidence bars around the
estimates, and it would be a statistical impossibility for all of those
riders to be so many standard deviations above their expected
performance in the same race.

ronaldo_jeremiah said:

LastToKnow said:

Lots of sarcasm in this thread, but figuring out the explanation for
the superior performance of almost the entire T-mobile team in the
stage 7 time trial is a worthy topic for discussion. It's a
statistical impossibility that they all "just had a good day". So
what aspect of their training, gear, or strategy accounts for their
systematically good performance?

Kindly explain how it is a "statistical impossibility" that one of the
best teams in the world, riding without their original leader so that
most of their riders now have a chance to show themselves, managed to
place 1st, 4th, 6th, 8th, 14th, 16th, and 34th.

In the words of the great Vizzini: "INCONCEIVABLE!"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tim Lines said:

Donald Munro said:

Tim Lines said:

Giant has made vast improvements in their bikes this year. Last year
they were just about the same as everyone else's, this year they're
faster. The biggest improvement is that they've disposed of the
"emasculation pink" paint scheme. By my calculations, that change alone
was good for a 1:53 improvement in the stage seven time trial.

Glad someone noticed.

So there's a relationship between the pinkness of the bike and the
effectiveness of the riders scrotal patch ?

If you've been so emasculated that you'll ride a pink bike, there is
nowhere to put the patch.

You dumbass know-nothings. That's not pink, it's _magenta_.

http://magentareign.com/

I helped a team-mate assemble a team-colours Giant this Spring. Nice
bike.

No, I can't tell the difference between magenta and pink either,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

wimpyVO2 said:

LastToKnow said:

the superior performance of almost the entire T-mobile team in the
stage 7 time trial is a worthy topic for discussion. So
what aspect of their training, gear, or strategy accounts for their
systematically good performance?

They asked Dr Fuentes to not use the phone nor to write anything down.

The modern doping scandals never seem to involve whole teams. Given
that, the current environment of suspicion, and the fact that T-mobile
is such a well-funded team, it seems much more likely that they found
some legal means to do better in this time trial (which they will
naturally keep mum about for as long as possible).

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tim Lines said:

Donald Munro said:

Tim Lines wrote:

>Giant has made vast improvements in their bikes this year. Last year
>they were just about the same as everyone else's, this year they're
>faster. The biggest improvement is that they've disposed of the
>"emasculation pink" paint scheme. By my calculations, that change alone
>was good for a 1:53 improvement in the stage seven time trial.
>
>Glad someone noticed.

So there's a relationship between the pinkness of the bike and the
effectiveness of the riders scrotal patch ?

If you've been so emasculated that you'll ride a pink bike, there is
nowhere to put the patch.

You dumbass know-nothings. That's not pink, it's _magenta_.

http://magentareign.com/

I helped a team-mate assemble a team-colours Giant this Spring. Nice
bike.

No, I can't tell the difference between magenta and pink either,

I owned a Klein, it taught me that if you have to tell people it's magenta, it's
pink. If it really is magenta, it's still pink.

Ron

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Quoted message said:

wimpyVO2 said:

LastToKnow said:

the superior performance of almost the entire T-mobile team in the
stage 7 time trial is a worthy topic for discussion. So
what aspect of their training, gear, or strategy accounts for their
systematically good performance?

They asked Dr Fuentes to not use the phone nor to write anything down.

The modern doping scandals never seem to involve whole teams. Given
that, the current environment of suspicion, and the fact that T-mobile
is such a well-funded team, it seems much more likely that they found
some legal means to do better in this time trial (which they will
naturally keep mum about for as long as possible).

IMO the point is that the T-Mobile, probably the team with the highest
budget, has a lot of excellent riders. They were expected to help Ullrich,
but now that they are on their own, they are free to race as well as they
can. The same goes for Discovery, which also lost its leader, but there is a
big difference. Armstrong was always asking strict obedience. Anyone with a
tendence to independence - Hamilton, Landis, Boonen, etc,. - had to leave
the team. All that remained were yes-men, who this year are suddenly on
their own. No wonder they are disappointing: they are not used to be
independent. The situation in T-Mobile was quite different: Ullrich was
never able to impose his team mates the same loyalty, obedience, etc. as
Armstrong (and by the way, I exposed this theory already before the Tour,
interviewed by a Dutch bicycle magazine, explaining why Landis could win the
Tour and Hincapie never, so I was rather pleased with the results of the
TT).

Benjo

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tim Lines said:

Donald Munro said:

Tim Lines wrote:

>Giant has made vast improvements in their bikes this year. Last year
>they were just about the same as everyone else's, this year they're
>faster. The biggest improvement is that they've disposed of the
>"emasculation pink" paint scheme. By my calculations, that change alone
>was good for a 1:53 improvement in the stage seven time trial.
>
>Glad someone noticed.

So there's a relationship between the pinkness of the bike and the
effectiveness of the riders scrotal patch ?

If you've been so emasculated that you'll ride a pink bike, there is
nowhere to put the patch.

You dumbass know-nothings. That's not pink, it's _magenta_.

Which? The bike? Or my scrotum?