Did anyone time the climb ?

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Judging by his form Tuesday, the Phonak leader is more than able to do just that. He climbed the 14.2km of L'Alpe d'Huez the fastest of anyone, with a time of 38:34, followed by Klöden (38:35), Sastre (38:59), Leipheimer (39:13) and Menchov (39:42). All these riders should again be in the picture Wednesday for the most brutal stage yet of the Tour, 182km from Bourg d'Oisans to the summit finish of La Toussuire via the Col du Galibier, Col de la Croix de Fer and the Col du Mollard.

Keith said:

If not I'll check my recording tomorrow. Just curious how long it took
them now that they are "squeeky clean", Pantani did it in 36' back in
1995 if memory serves and LA 37' during the 2004 ITT.

On cyclingnews.com, in the interview w/ Pereiro, there's a comment
about him doing the climb in 40:14 (or so).

While it's certainly not accurate, you can extrapolate from the live
coverage the time that various riders hit the 14km to go mark, and the
time they finished.

Using that method, Schleck rode the climb in approximately 41 minutes,
Landis in 38.

Keith said:

If not I'll check my recording tomorrow. Just curious how long it took
them now that they are "squeeky clean", Pantani did it in 36' back in
1995 if memory serves and LA 37' during the 2004 ITT.

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From cyclingnews dot com.

And speaking of fighting, a tenacious maillot jaune Pereiro was an
excellent 14th today and dignified his cherished tunic by going
all-out, but Landis was too strong for him to contain on the 13.9km
final ascent and the Spanish rider from Caisse d'Epargne lost his
maillot jaune to Landis by just 0'10. The record for the ascent of
l'Alpe d'Huez of 36'50 was set by Marco Pantani, while Lance Armstrong
rode a 37'30 when he won the ITT up l'Alpe d'Huez in 2004. Today,
Landis and Klöden ascended the 13.9km climb in 38'37.

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So before you start thinking doping and lance blah blah or think the
tour is clean an slow. Look at the data from the 04 tour.

Results from 04 TT
1 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
39.41 (23.44 km/h)
2 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team
1.01
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile Team
1.41
21 Floyd Landis (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
3.35

Lance was 37:30 with Kloden 1.41 back (only counting the climb I
believe) this means that landis and kloden both went faster than they
did in 04 and they were playing cat and mouse on the climb. I am sure
in a TT scenario they would be faster than at the end of long stage
which they couldn't just focus on going as fast as possilbe.
Conclusion: Doping is still alive and kicking.

RVD

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Lance was 37:30 with Kloden 1.41 back (only counting the climb I
believe) this means that landis and kloden both went faster than they
did in 04 and they were playing cat and mouse on the climb. I am sure
in a TT scenario they would be faster than at the end of long stage
which they couldn't just focus on going as fast as possilbe.
Conclusion: Doping is still alive and kicking.

RVD

I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from comparing Landis and Kloden's time
from the TT in 2004. Remember, in 2004, both had been working for their
respective leaders and had been expending a lot of energy in the days before
(when did Kloden take over as TMO's leader in 2004?). I know for a fact that
Floyd in took it easy on that day, as per instructions.

Rik Van Diesel said:

Conclusion: Doping is still alive and kicking.

RVD

That is only one possible conclusion.

How about: The time measurements were not comparable, or not accurate.

Or: Both Landis and Kloeden are riding better than they did as
domestiques in 2004.

Or: No one EVER has doped. I mean, we know Tyler is innocent....

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I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from comparing Landis and Kloden's time
from the TT in 2004. Remember, in 2004, both had been working for their
respective leaders and had been expending a lot of energy in the days before
(when did Kloden take over as TMO's leader in 2004?). I know for a fact that
Floyd in took it easy on that day, as per instructions.

Let me more clear..Just compare it to lance's time..

RVD

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Judging by his form Tuesday, the Phonak leader is more than able to do
just that. He climbed the 14.2km of L'Alpe d'Huez the fastest of
anyone, with a time of 38:34, followed by Klöden (38:35), Sastre
(38:59), Leipheimer (39:13) and Menchov (39:42). All these riders
should again be in the picture Wednesday for the most brutal stage yet
of the Tour, 182km from Bourg d'Oisans to the summit finish of La
Toussuire via the Col du Galibier, Col de la Croix de Fer and the Col
du Mollard.

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Lonnie Utah

That gives Landis an average wattage for the climb of something around 425
watts.

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Judging by his form Tuesday, the Phonak leader is more than able to do
just that. He climbed the 14.2km of L'Alpe d'Huez the fastest of
anyone, with a time of 38:34, followed by Klöden (38:35), Sastre
(38:59), Leipheimer (39:13) and Menchov (39:42). All these riders
should again be in the picture Wednesday for the most brutal stage yet
of the Tour, 182km from Bourg d'Oisans to the summit finish of La
Toussuire via the Col du Galibier, Col de la Croix de Fer and the Col
du Mollard.

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Lonnie Utah

That gives Landis an average wattage for the climb of something around 425
watts.

Compare that to Armstrong in 2001 putting out an average of 450 watts with a
period of four minutes during the climb where he put out a steady 530 watts.

B. Lafferty said:

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That gives Landis an average wattage for the climb of something around 425
watts.

Compare that to Armstrong in 2001 putting out an average of 450 watts with a
period of four minutes during the climb where he put out a steady 530 watts.

Dumbass -

That sounds about right.

One thing that should be factored in is that LANCE weighs more than
Landis.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

B. Lafferty said:

Compare that to Armstrong in 2001 putting out an average of 450 watts with a
period of four minutes during the climb where he put out a steady 530 watts.

Source ?

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B. Lafferty said:

Compare that to Armstrong in 2001 putting out an average of 450 watts
with a
period of four minutes during the climb where he put out a steady 530
watts.

Source ?

Calculate it yourself for average wattage.
Armstrong 2001
Weight: 165.34
Bike weight: 16 lbs(estimated)
Height: 69.6 in
Vertical Gain: 3,579 ft
Climb Distance: 8.82 miles
Time 38:05

Now do the same for Landis. His stats are on the Tour web site.

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> Judging by his form Tuesday, the Phonak leader is more than able to do
> just that. He climbed the 14.2km of L'Alpe d'Huez the fastest of
> anyone, with a time of 38:34, followed by Klöden (38:35), Sastre
> (38:59), Leipheimer (39:13) and Menchov (39:42). All these riders
> should again be in the picture Wednesday for the most brutal stage yet
> of the Tour, 182km from Bourg d'Oisans to the summit finish of La
> Toussuire via the Col du Galibier, Col de la Croix de Fer and the Col
> du Mollard.

--
Lonnie Utah

That gives Landis an average wattage for the climb of something around 425
watts.

Compare that to Armstrong in 2001 putting out an average of 450 watts with a
period of four minutes during the climb where he put out a steady 530 watts.

Armstrong weighs (weighed) more than Landis, making their W/kg about
equal.

Andy Coggan

B. Lafferty said:

Calculate it yourself for average wattage.
Armstrong 2001
Weight: 165.34
Bike weight: 16 lbs(estimated)
Height: 69.6 in
Vertical Gain: 3,579 ft
Climb Distance: 8.82 miles
Time 38:05

Now do the same for Landis. His stats are on the Tour web site.

I thought you had actual power meter output but I suppose that would have
been a state secret. Surely such a calculation is more a guesstimate given
the other variables such as air and rolling resistance ?

How do you get the 'period of four minutes during the climb where he put
out a steady 530 watts' ?

Colin Campbell said:

Rik Van Diesel said:

Conclusion: Doping is still alive and kicking.

RVD

That is only one possible conclusion.

How about: The time measurements were not comparable, or not accurate.

Or: Both Landis and Kloeden are riding better than they did as
domestiques in 2004.

Or: No one EVER has doped. I mean, we know Tyler is innocent....

You left out:

Or: Doping isn't as effective as many people seem to believe.

Andy Coggan

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Colin Campbell said:

Rik Van Diesel said:

Conclusion: Doping is still alive and kicking.

RVD

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Or: Doping isn't as effective as many people seem to believe.

Andy Coggan

I agree a possibility.

RVD

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Colin Campbell said:

Rik Van Diesel wrote:
> Conclusion: Doping is still alive and kicking.
>
> RVD
>

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Or: Doping isn't as effective as many people seem to believe.

Andy Coggan

I agree a possibility.

The record for the Alpe d'Huez clim was set by Fausto Coppi in 1952: 45'22".
In 1989 it was 42'15".Meanwhile the road to the top was asphalted and the
bikes much lighter than in the times of Coppi. In other words: only a small
progress: 3 minutes in 37 years or in other words: five seconds a year. But
six years later, on the same roads with the same bicycles, it was suddenly
36'40", almost one minute a year. How is that possible? A strong tail wind,
new training methods, or could it be that something special had happened in
the early 1990's?

Benjo

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Or: Doping isn't as effective as many people seem to believe.

Andy Coggan

I agree a possibility.

The record for the Alpe d'Huez clim was set by Fausto Coppi in 1952: 45'22".
In 1989 it was 42'15".Meanwhile the road to the top was asphalted and the
bikes much lighter than in the times of Coppi. In other words: only a small
progress: 3 minutes in 37 years or in other words: five seconds a year. But
six years later, on the same roads with the same bicycles, it was suddenly
36'40", almost one minute a year. How is that possible? A strong tail wind,
new training methods, or could it be that something special had happened in
the early 1990's?

Benjo

Indeed, food for thought and it's too bad it didn't go back to 40'
this year...One thing though that changed since 1989 is that the top
TdF contenders no longer race two big tours as they used to do it
pretty systematically, Hinault, Lemond, etc...Arguably if you're
training specifically to be in top shape for the Alps then you can do
better than if you plan on winning both the Giro and the TdF.