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    karlotta
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    From Libération today (my translation follows):

    liberation.fr196273.FR.php

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    Pourquoi l'affaire Landis est-elle sortie si vite ?


    On ne peut écarter la piste d'un coup politique de l'UCI contre le Tour de France, qui, quoi qu'on en pense, n'a pas abdiqué dans la lutte antidopage. Le Tour a pris sur lui de faire pression sur les équipes après la révélation du trafic sanguin qui a mis en cause Manolo Saiz, patron de l'équipe Liberty-Séguros et véritable Mazarin du vélo. Plus généralement, le Tour et l'UCI sont à la lutte : la fédération internationale a imaginé son ProTour (un circuit fermé avec un ticket d'entrée payant) pour décider elle-même quelles équipes seront admises sur les épreuves phares, tout en mettant la main sur les recettes générées par le vélo, qui appartiennent jusqu'ici aux organisateurs.

    Why did the Landis matter become known so quickly?

    One cannot dismiss the idea of a political attack by the UCI against the Tour de France, which, whatever one thinks of it, has not abandoned the fight against doping. The Tour took it upon itself to apply pressure to the teams after the revelation of blood trafficking which implicated Manolo Saiz, manager of the Liberty-Seguros team ... [reference to French political/historical figure omitted]. More generally, the Tour and the UCI are in a struggle: the international federation has plans for its ProTour (a closed circuit that requires a paid admissions ticket) to decide ITSELF, whcihd teams will be invited to the major races, all the while sticking its hand in the cashbox for the revenues generated by cycling, which up to now have belonged to the race organisers.

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  2. lwedge
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    karlotta said:

    From Libération today (my translation follows):

    liberation.fr196273.FR.php

    This makes some sense as well :
    eurosport.co.uksport sto933029.shtml

    lw

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  3. karlotta
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    lwedge said:

    This makes some sense as well :
    eurosport.co.uksport sto933029.shtml

    lw

    Thanks. Hadn't seen that yet. Seems to summarize well the timeline of stories and announcements.

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  4. JRMDC
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    lwedge said:

    This makes some sense as well :
    eurosport.co.uksport sto933029.shtml

    lw

    lw, did I miss something in your link? The first poster linked to a discussion of a motivation for early release of info. In some other thread I posted a quote saying that the UCI feared that L'Equipe or someone else would leak it.

    Your link gives no reason, no "why."

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  5. lwedge
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    JRMDC said:


    Your link gives no reason, no "why."


    I know.

    Just an interesting time line of the events.

    lw

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  6. cyclingheroes
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    The UCI asked for a B-probe today since Landis had anounced he would request a B-probe but didn't do it. The UCI stated that they want to handle the matter fast.

    radsportnews.netlandis b.shtml

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  7. lwedge
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    cyclingheroes said:

    The UCI asked for a B-probe today since Landis had anounced he would request a B-probe but didn't do it. The UCI stated that they want to handle the matter fast.

    radsportnews.netlandis b.shtml


    SOunds lik Landis is dragging his feet on this.😉

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  8. karlotta
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    cyclingheroes said:

    The UCI asked for a B-probe today since Landis had anounced he would request a B-probe but didn't do it. The UCI stated that they want to handle the matter fast.

    radsportnews.netlandis b.shtml

    My translation

    Landis Case: UCI requests B-Test

    DÜSSELDORF, 31.07.06 (rsn) - The UCI has initiated the B-test in the Doping case of Tour Champion Floyd Landis, after the American had announced he would, but up to now has not.

    Landis had produced an elevated Testerone result during the Tour de France at a Doping control after the 17th stage. On Monday evening the UCI requested the counter-analysis of the B-sample at the French Laboratory at Châtenay-Malabry. "We'd like the case to move forward faster," said a spokesperson for the UCI. According to the rules, the Association as well as the Rider can requet the counter analysis. The Laboratory at Châtenay-Malabry would like to perform the test this week if Landis aggrees by Wednesday; the test in theory takes two and a half days to complete. A rider has, after the announcement of the A-Sample results, five working days to demand a counter-analysis. In August the Laboratory will close for the Summer vacation. The analysis of the B-Sample would be delayed weeks, something which the UCI absolutely wishes to avoid.

    The UCI stressed once again, that they desire "transparency". "The message is loud and clear: We want to resolve/clarify the case as soon as possible," said the UCI-spokesperson.

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  9. karlotta
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    It's on Velonews now too:

    velonews.com10623.0.html

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  10. karlotta
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    And remember what Landis said on Larry King Live:

    LANDIS: But this evening here, United States time, the fax needs to be sent to Colorado Springs to the federation there. We'll be requesting the B sample be tested.

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  11. whiteboytrash
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    karlotta said:

    And remember what Landis said on Larry King Live:

    LANDIS: But this evening here, United States time, the fax needs to be sent to Colorado Springs to the federation there. We'll be requesting the B sample be tested.

    Interesting... why is Landis stalling ? He knows the lab closes for holidays at the end of Friday... why is he waiting... time to build a defence ? What ? Appears the UCI has pushed ahead and asked for the B sample to be tested... its my understanding if the athlete doesn't request the B sample to be tested within 5 days of the A sample postive then the A sample stands.

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  12. House
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    Landis did request the B sample be tested:

    From the AP

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    Tour de France champion Floyd Landis officially requested the testing of his backup urine sample Monday in an effort to clear his name of doping allegations.

    "We've sent the fax to the UCI this afternoon," said Jose Maria Buxeda, one of Landis's two Spanish lawyers, of the Swiss-based International Cycling Union. "Now we'll have to adjust to their calendar."

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  13. limerickman
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    whiteboytrash said:

    Interesting... why is Landis stalling ? He knows the lab closes for holidays at the end of Friday... why is he waiting... time to build a defence ? What ? Appears the UCI has pushed ahead and asked for the B sample to be tested... its my understanding if the athlete doesn't request the B sample to be tested within 5 days of the A sample postive then the A sample stands.

    If I recall correctly, there is a 14 days window in which a rider has the opportunity to request the testing of the B sample.
    Of course the athlete can decide not to request the B sample test.
    Therefore the A sample result will stand.

    I would have thought that if the athlete wanted to purge their guilt, that they would have requested the B sample test as soon as possible.

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  14. House
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    limerickman said:

    If I recall correctly, there is a 14 days window in which a rider has the opportunity to request the testing of the B sample.
    Of course the athlete can decide not to request the B sample test.
    Therefore the A sample result will stand.

    I would have thought that if the athlete wanted to purge their guilt, that they would have requested the B sample test as soon as possible.


    Once again Chapter VII shoots you down. No more then five working days after reciept of registered letter to national federation.

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  15. tiogar
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    I think Limerickman's post is not so much to do with Landis stalling on the b sample - he knows it will be positive and it is his lawyers who will be doing his fighting thereafter - but rather the politics between the Tour (amaury SO presumably) and the UCI with the Pro tour.

    In brief the pro tour without the tour is a dead duck.

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  16. limerickman
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    House said:

    Once again Chapter VII shoots you down. No more then five working days after reciept of registered letter to national federation.

    5 days.

    I did say "if" I recalled correctly, it was 14 days.

    No matter.

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  17. whiteboytrash
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    House said:

    Once again Chapter VII shoots you down. No more then five working days after reciept of registered letter to national federation.

    [font=Verdana]The confusion between team Landis and the UCI appears to be timezones... Landis sent the fax off [/font][font=Verdana]US[/font][font=Verdana] time Monday which would of been after [/font][font=Verdana]5pm[/font][font=Verdana] European time. The UCI should pick the fax up on Tuesday morning, instruct the lab to begin the test and hopefully have a result by Friday.[/font]

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  18. limerickman
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    whiteboytrash said:

    [font=Verdana]The confusion between team Landis and the UCI appears to be timezones... Landis sent the fax off [/font][font=Verdana]US[/font][font=Verdana] time Monday which would of been after [/font][font=Verdana]5pm[/font][font=Verdana] European time. The UCI should pick the fax up on Tuesday morning, instruct the lab to begin the test and hopefully have a result by Friday.[/font]

    He took his time to request the testing of sample B, didn't he?

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  19. House
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    limerickman said:

    5 days.

    I did say "if" I recalled correctly, it was 14 days.

    No matter.


    Anything to avoid admitting you are wrong. How hard is it?

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  20. limerickman
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    House said:

    Anything to avoid admitting you are wrong. How hard is it?

    I did say "if" I recall, that it was 14 days.

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