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  1. Why isn't the tri-state more bicycle friendly?

    By Kevin Eigelbach
    Post staff reporter

    Riding a bicycle costs nothing in gasoline, produces zero emissions and makes
    the rider a healthier, happier person.

    So why don't more people do it? It could be all those darn hills to climb. Or it
    might have to do with the fact that America is in love with its automobiles.

    With few dedicated bicycle paths and sometimes-narrow roads, tri-state bicycle
    riding for fun, for exercise or as part of a work commute can be an adventure.

    Some bicyclists say the combination of persistently high gas prices and a
    growing number of people interested in bicycling mean businesses and governments
    should pay more attention to their needs.

    "As the population continues to grow, more people will be returning to bicycles
    as an alternative form of transportation," said Union resident Ralph Mitchell,
    the leader of the Northern Kentucky cluster of the Cincinnati Cycle Club. "As
    gasoline goes up in price, you'll begin to see more people interested."

    Nationally, about 57 million people will ride bicycles this year, said Mike
    Mackin of the League of American Bicyclists. That number is growing because of
    better awareness of healthy lifestyles and the coverage of the Tour de France
    bike race.

    At the same time, there are about 20 million more cars on the nation's roads
    than there were 10 years ago, according to the American Automobile Association.

    Mitchell, who said he rides 200 to 250 miles a week, would like to see more
    accessibility for bicyclists.

    So would Edgewood resident Mike Sullivan, who would like to see more bike racks
    at businesses. He says if a merchant doesn't want his business when he's on his
    bicycle, he'll avoid that merchant when he's driving.

    "If you went up and down Dixie Highway, you'd find very few if any (bike
    racks)," he said. "You pretty much have to chain it to a post or a street sign."
    He has to chain his bike to the shopping-cart rack when he rides to the Kroger
    store in Erlanger.

    Then there's the safety issue.

    In mid-July, two bicyclists were killed when they were hit by a car in Crosby
    Township on the west side of Hamilton County.

    Bicyclist Eugene Spiegel said it would be nice to have more bike racks, but what
    bicycle riders really need is an education program for drivers that informs
    motorists of the rights of cyclists.

    Unless it's less than 15 degrees outside, Spiegel, 56, bicycles the six miles
    from his Winton Place home to his shop at Vine and Court streets downtown,
    Reliable Jewelry and Loan. He has a bicycle with studded tires for riding in
    snow and ice, and one with fenders for riding in the rain.

    As he rides, he makes mental notes on the number of bad motorists he encounters.
    The most common problem - they pass too closely. He always rides with a
    rear-view mirror.

    "There's a constant problem with getting yelled at, and vehicles not giving you
    your proper space," downtown resident Chris Pohler agreed.

    Pohler said more bicyclists would make bicycling better. That way, motorists
    would get used to them and act accordingly.

    Larry Parker has been an avid cyclist since 1983, but never commutes to work on
    his bicycle because the area in general is not biker-friendly, he said. One
    exception, he said, is Hyde Park, where he lives.

    Roads without shoulders to ride on, limited bike lanes that don't connect in any
    way and a lack of cross-town bicycle routes are big problems, he said.

    "There are just congested areas that are traffic bottlenecks," he said, listing
    the Oakley intersections of Paxton at Wasson and Edwards at Madison, plus the
    University Hospital area in Corryville.

    He agreed that motorists are a problem, but said cyclists share the blame. They
    are "notorious for slowing traffic and failing to leave gaps in large groups to
    allow motorists to pass."

    The city could also make its streets friendlier for riders by removing broken
    bottles. Spiegel collects bottles as he rides, about 800 of them a year,
    one-third of them Budweiser beer bottles.

    He knows that if he doesn't pick them up, they'll likely get broken and threaten
    his bicycle tires.

    Local merchants remain more geared to making their businesses accessible to
    automobiles than to bicycles.

    Crestview Hills Mall, newly renovated into an upscale "lifestyle center," has
    plenty of parking spaces for autos, but no bicycle racks.

    The developer of the mall, Jeffrey R. Anderson Real Estate, doesn't have bicycle
    racks at any of its lifestyle centers, including Rookwood Commons in Norwood,
    Marketing Director Tracy Nemenz said. The issue has never come up, she said.

    "We truly rely on the municipalities in which we do business to really clue us
    in to what's important to the communities," she said.

    The city of Crestview Hills doesn't require stores to install bicycle racks - to
    do so would be up to the developer, City Administrator Dan Groth said.

    He often sees bicycle riders in subdivisions, but rarely on Dixie Highway or
    Turkeyfoot Road, two major roads inside the city. The city has no dedicated
    paths for bicycles.

    "There are just too many highways going through the city," Groth said.

    Some businesses still extend the welcome mat to bicyclists. Newport on the Levee
    has several well-used bicycle racks and even offers a bicycle valet, General
    Manager Ellen Prows said. For $2, the valet will secure your bicycle until you
    return from shopping. It's never been an especially popular service, she said,
    but it's there.

    Florence Mall has two bicycle racks at the mall entrances off Mall Road, said
    spokesperson Stephanie Wood.

    You'll find a variety of bicycle racks at businesses up and down Houston Road in
    Florence because, since 2002, the Boone County Planning Commission has required
    them in all new developments, Executive Director Kevin Costello said.

    Erpenbeck Elementary School puts out a new bicycle rack every year and now has
    about five, Costello said, because of all the kids who ride there from nearby
    Plantation Pointe subdivision.

    But even some bicyclists don't think bikes belong everywhere in this age of the
    automobile. Edgewood resident Paul Listerman said bicycles just didn't belong in
    some places, including shopping malls.

    "I don't think they have any particular obligation to put up bike racks and
    invite us in," he said. "The only thing we're going to do is go in and get a cup
    of coffee."

    When he rides his bicycle to the Starbucks at the Crestview Hills Mall, he
    simply leans it against the window outside, where he can keep an eye on it.

    "Before anyone can grab it, I can be out the door," he said. "I've done the same
    at Panera Bread for years."

    Downtown Cincinnati has bicycle racks only at the main branch of the Public
    Library of Cincinnati and Hamilton County at 800 Vine St., Speigel said.

    Listerman is among bicyclists who don't want to see designated bicycle trails on
    city streets.

    "If we had more bike paths, I would be expected by cars and perhaps the law to
    stay on the bike path," he said. "That would really limit where and how far you
    could go."

    Many bicyclists use dedicated bike paths such as the Little Miami Scenic Trail
    on Hamilton County's east side or the eight-mile loop at Miami Whitewater park
    on the county's west side. But for serious cyclists, those routes can be
    dangerous because there are too many parents pushing strollers on them,
    Listerman said.

    "Multiple-use trails are great, but I don't want to be restricted to them," he
    said.

    The Little Miami trail runs from the Little Miami Golf Center in Newtown to Buck
    Creek State Park in Clark County, more than 70 miles. It's popular with
    bicyclists, runners, roller bladers and more.

    The Hamilton County Park District hopes to eventually extend the trail to Clear
    Creek Park in Anderson Township, spokeswoman Joy Landry said.

    Sometimes, bike paths are dedicated that aren't really practical. Houston Road
    in Florence has a dedicated bicycle lane that no one ever uses, Mitchell said,
    because it goes nowhere.

    But a new section of U.S. 42 through Union, with sidewalks and bicycle lanes,
    has attracted riders, he said.

    When it comes to accommodating bicycles, Boone County may be the most
    progressive Northern Kentucky county. The planning commission requires new
    developments to build sidewalks and plan for bicycle routes, Costello said.

    Also, when roads are upgraded, "we're trying to include bike paths as part of
    that," he said. That includes a new road the county plans to build to link Ky.
    18 with Donaldson and Houston roads. It could form the first link of a bicycle
    path around Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport similar to the
    one around Lunken Airport in Cincinnati, Costello said.

    Boone County would also like to create a safe path for bicyclists that would
    connect its mountain bike trails in England-Idlewild Park with its bicycle paths
    in Central Park, he said.

    The planning commissions in Kenton and Campbell counties don't require
    developers to create bicycle trails.

    "I'd be happy with a sign that says, 'Share the road,' so motorists would know I
    have the right to be there too," said Keith Logsdon, a bicycle rider and the
    Northern Kentucky Area Planning Commission's deputy director for long-range
    planning.

    Less experienced riders would need bicycle lanes, he said, but the commission
    has had more success getting developers to agree to build sidewalks for
    pedestrians.

    Things are improving for bicycle riders, Mitchell said, albeit slowly.

    Local riders were glad to learn that in May, the Transit Authority of Northern
    Kentucky finished putting bicycle racks on all of its buses. TANK used a $70,000
    grant from the state to fund 80 percent of the project, spokeswoman Gina Douthit
    said.

    The system had 562 bike boardings in June, she said, and "that's just huge for
    the first month of a project like this. There are systems who have had racks for
    years that are not right in line with where we are."

    All 390 buses in the Metro bus system, which serves Cincinnati, have bicycle
    racks, spokesman Sallie Hilvers said.

    Metro doesn't keep track of how many bicycle riders use the bus, but Hilvers
    said she has seen more bicycles on the racks in the past few months.

    Publication date: 08-05-2006

    http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060805/NEWS02/608050327

  2. Which "Tri-State"?

    Apparently, it never occurred to you that there are many "Tri-State"
    areas in the USA?

  3. Bonehenge said:


    Which "Tri-State"?

    Apparently, it never occurred to you that there are many "Tri-State"
    areas in the USA?

    I think "cincy" in the url is the give away. Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana.

  4. "Garrison Hilliard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Why isn't the tri-state more bicycle friendly?

    By Kevin Eigelbach
    Post staff reporter

    Riding a bicycle costs nothing in gasoline, produces zero emissions and
    makes
    the rider a healthier, happier person.

    So why don't more people do it? It could be all those darn hills to climb.
    Or it
    might have to do with the fact that America is in love with its
    automobiles.

    With few dedicated bicycle paths and sometimes-narrow roads, tri-state
    bicycle
    riding for fun, for exercise or as part of a work commute can be an
    adventure.

    Some bicyclists say the combination of persistently high gas prices and a
    growing number of people interested in bicycling mean businesses and
    governments
    should pay more attention to their needs.

    "As the population continues to grow, more people will be returning to
    bicycles
    as an alternative form of transportation," said Union resident Ralph
    Mitchell,
    the leader of the Northern Kentucky cluster of the Cincinnati Cycle Club.
    "As
    gasoline goes up in price, you'll begin to see more people interested."

    Nationally, about 57 million people will ride bicycles this year, said
    Mike
    Mackin of the League of American Bicyclists. That number is growing
    because of
    better awareness of healthy lifestyles and the coverage of the Tour de
    France
    bike race.

    At the same time, there are about 20 million more cars on the nation's
    roads
    than there were 10 years ago, according to the American Automobile
    Association.

    Mitchell, who said he rides 200 to 250 miles a week, would like to see
    more
    accessibility for bicyclists.

    So would Edgewood resident Mike Sullivan, who would like to see more bike
    racks
    at businesses. He says if a merchant doesn't want his business when he's
    on his
    bicycle, he'll avoid that merchant when he's driving.

    "If you went up and down Dixie Highway, you'd find very few if any (bike
    racks)," he said. "You pretty much have to chain it to a post or a street
    sign."
    He has to chain his bike to the shopping-cart rack when he rides to the
    Kroger
    store in Erlanger.

    Then there's the safety issue.

    In mid-July, two bicyclists were killed when they were hit by a car in
    Crosby
    Township on the west side of Hamilton County.

    Bicyclist Eugene Spiegel said it would be nice to have more bike racks,
    but what
    bicycle riders really need is an education program for drivers that
    informs
    motorists of the rights of cyclists.

    Unless it's less than 15 degrees outside, Spiegel, 56, bicycles the six
    miles
    from his Winton Place home to his shop at Vine and Court streets downtown,
    Reliable Jewelry and Loan. He has a bicycle with studded tires for riding
    in
    snow and ice, and one with fenders for riding in the rain.

    As he rides, he makes mental notes on the number of bad motorists he
    encounters.
    The most common problem - they pass too closely. He always rides with a
    rear-view mirror.

    "There's a constant problem with getting yelled at, and vehicles not
    giving you
    your proper space," downtown resident Chris Pohler agreed.

    Pohler said more bicyclists would make bicycling better. That way,
    motorists
    would get used to them and act accordingly.

    Larry Parker has been an avid cyclist since 1983, but never commutes to
    work on
    his bicycle because the area in general is not biker-friendly, he said.
    One
    exception, he said, is Hyde Park, where he lives.

    Roads without shoulders to ride on, limited bike lanes that don't connect
    in any
    way and a lack of cross-town bicycle routes are big problems, he said.

    "There are just congested areas that are traffic bottlenecks," he said,
    listing
    the Oakley intersections of Paxton at Wasson and Edwards at Madison, plus
    the
    University Hospital area in Corryville.

    He agreed that motorists are a problem, but said cyclists share the blame.
    They
    are "notorious for slowing traffic and failing to leave gaps in large
    groups to
    allow motorists to pass."

    The city could also make its streets friendlier for riders by removing
    broken
    bottles. Spiegel collects bottles as he rides, about 800 of them a year,
    one-third of them Budweiser beer bottles.

    He knows that if he doesn't pick them up, they'll likely get broken and
    threaten
    his bicycle tires.

    Local merchants remain more geared to making their businesses accessible
    to
    automobiles than to bicycles.

    Crestview Hills Mall, newly renovated into an upscale "lifestyle center,"
    has
    plenty of parking spaces for autos, but no bicycle racks.

    The developer of the mall, Jeffrey R. Anderson Real Estate, doesn't have
    bicycle
    racks at any of its lifestyle centers, including Rookwood Commons in
    Norwood,
    Marketing Director Tracy Nemenz said. The issue has never come up, she
    said.

    "We truly rely on the municipalities in which we do business to really
    clue us
    in to what's important to the communities," she said.

    The city of Crestview Hills doesn't require stores to install bicycle
    racks - to
    do so would be up to the developer, City Administrator Dan Groth said.

    He often sees bicycle riders in subdivisions, but rarely on Dixie Highway
    or
    Turkeyfoot Road, two major roads inside the city. The city has no
    dedicated
    paths for bicycles.

    "There are just too many highways going through the city," Groth said.

    Some businesses still extend the welcome mat to bicyclists. Newport on the
    Levee
    has several well-used bicycle racks and even offers a bicycle valet,
    General
    Manager Ellen Prows said. For $2, the valet will secure your bicycle until
    you
    return from shopping. It's never been an especially popular service, she
    said,
    but it's there.

    Florence Mall has two bicycle racks at the mall entrances off Mall Road,
    said
    spokesperson Stephanie Wood.

    You'll find a variety of bicycle racks at businesses up and down Houston
    Road in
    Florence because, since 2002, the Boone County Planning Commission has
    required
    them in all new developments, Executive Director Kevin Costello said.

    Erpenbeck Elementary School puts out a new bicycle rack every year and now
    has
    about five, Costello said, because of all the kids who ride there from
    nearby
    Plantation Pointe subdivision.

    But even some bicyclists don't think bikes belong everywhere in this age
    of the
    automobile. Edgewood resident Paul Listerman said bicycles just didn't
    belong in
    some places, including shopping malls.

    "I don't think they have any particular obligation to put up bike racks
    and
    invite us in," he said. "The only thing we're going to do is go in and get
    a cup
    of coffee."

    When he rides his bicycle to the Starbucks at the Crestview Hills Mall, he
    simply leans it against the window outside, where he can keep an eye on
    it.

    "Before anyone can grab it, I can be out the door," he said. "I've done
    the same
    at Panera Bread for years."

    Downtown Cincinnati has bicycle racks only at the main branch of the
    Public
    Library of Cincinnati and Hamilton County at 800 Vine St., Speigel said.

    Listerman is among bicyclists who don't want to see designated bicycle
    trails on
    city streets.

    "If we had more bike paths, I would be expected by cars and perhaps the
    law to
    stay on the bike path," he said. "That would really limit where and how
    far you
    could go."

    Many bicyclists use dedicated bike paths such as the Little Miami Scenic
    Trail
    on Hamilton County's east side or the eight-mile loop at Miami Whitewater
    park
    on the county's west side. But for serious cyclists, those routes can be
    dangerous because there are too many parents pushing strollers on them,
    Listerman said.

    "Multiple-use trails are great, but I don't want to be restricted to
    them," he
    said.

    The Little Miami trail runs from the Little Miami Golf Center in Newtown
    to Buck
    Creek State Park in Clark County, more than 70 miles. It's popular with
    bicyclists, runners, roller bladers and more.

    The Hamilton County Park District hopes to eventually extend the trail to
    Clear
    Creek Park in Anderson Township, spokeswoman Joy Landry said.

    Sometimes, bike paths are dedicated that aren't really practical. Houston
    Road
    in Florence has a dedicated bicycle lane that no one ever uses, Mitchell
    said,
    because it goes nowhere.

    But a new section of U.S. 42 through Union, with sidewalks and bicycle
    lanes,
    has attracted riders, he said.

    When it comes to accommodating bicycles, Boone County may be the most
    progressive Northern Kentucky county. The planning commission requires new
    developments to build sidewalks and plan for bicycle routes, Costello
    said.

    Also, when roads are upgraded, "we're trying to include bike paths as part
    of
    that," he said. That includes a new road the county plans to build to link
    Ky.
    18 with Donaldson and Houston roads. It could form the first link of a
    bicycle
    path around Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport similar to
    the
    one around Lunken Airport in Cincinnati, Costello said.

    Boone County would also like to create a safe path for bicyclists that
    would
    connect its mountain bike trails in England-Idlewild Park with its bicycle
    paths
    in Central Park, he said.

    The planning commissions in Kenton and Campbell counties don't require
    developers to create bicycle trails.

    "I'd be happy with a sign that says, 'Share the road,' so motorists would
    know I
    have the right to be there too," said Keith Logsdon, a bicycle rider and
    the
    Northern Kentucky Area Planning Commission's deputy director for
    long-range
    planning.

    Less experienced riders would need bicycle lanes, he said, but the
    commission
    has had more success getting developers to agree to build sidewalks for
    pedestrians.

    Things are improving for bicycle riders, Mitchell said, albeit slowly.

    Local riders were glad to learn that in May, the Transit Authority of
    Northern
    Kentucky finished putting bicycle racks on all of its buses. TANK used a
    $70,000
    grant from the state to fund 80 percent of the project, spokeswoman Gina
    Douthit
    said.

    The system had 562 bike boardings in June, she said, and "that's just huge
    for
    the first month of a project like this. There are systems who have had
    racks for
    years that are not right in line with where we are."

    All 390 buses in the Metro bus system, which serves Cincinnati, have
    bicycle
    racks, spokesman Sallie Hilvers said.

    Metro doesn't keep track of how many bicycle riders use the bus, but
    Hilvers
    said she has seen more bicycles on the racks in the past few months.

    Publication date: 08-05-2006

    http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060805/NEWS02/608050327

    Amaeicans are pretty much tied to the automobile as the primary mode of
    transportation. even if gasoline went over $5.00 US a gallon it would have
    little effect on this.
    What would have to happen is gasoline shortages and high prices. At that
    point the populace would scream for other forms of transporation and mass
    transit and bicycling would become much more popular then. Unfortuanately,
    except for some limited mass transportation features in a few cities, most
    cities have none at all. It would take at the minimum about five years to
    even get a bus system running in most localities with all the red tape
    involved. Ten years to get a train system going. So that means people had
    better get used to using bicycles, walking, or working from home
    (telecommuting for example). But it would have the benefit of getting a lot
    of multi-billion dollar road and highway projects shelved so the money could
    be used to build mass transporation alternatives in some areas.One major
    issue is most all the cities have little or no money for mass
    transportation, so it would mean taxes would go up to support it.

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    Quoted message said:

    "Garrison Hilliard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Why isn't the tri-state more bicycle friendly?

    By Kevin Eigelbach
    Post staff reporter

    Riding a bicycle costs nothing in gasoline, produces zero emissions and
    makes
    the rider a healthier, happier person.

    So why don't more people do it? It could be all those darn hills to
    climb. Or it
    might have to do with the fact that America is in love with its
    automobiles.

    With few dedicated bicycle paths and sometimes-narrow roads, tri-state
    bicycle
    riding for fun, for exercise or as part of a work commute can be an
    adventure.

    Some bicyclists say the combination of persistently high gas prices and a
    growing number of people interested in bicycling mean businesses and
    governments
    should pay more attention to their needs.

    "As the population continues to grow, more people will be returning to
    bicycles
    as an alternative form of transportation," said Union resident Ralph
    Mitchell,
    the leader of the Northern Kentucky cluster of the Cincinnati Cycle Club.
    "As
    gasoline goes up in price, you'll begin to see more people interested."

    Nationally, about 57 million people will ride bicycles this year, said
    Mike
    Mackin of the League of American Bicyclists. That number is growing
    because of
    better awareness of healthy lifestyles and the coverage of the Tour de
    France
    bike race.

    At the same time, there are about 20 million more cars on the nation's
    roads
    than there were 10 years ago, according to the American Automobile
    Association.

    Mitchell, who said he rides 200 to 250 miles a week, would like to see
    more
    accessibility for bicyclists.

    So would Edgewood resident Mike Sullivan, who would like to see more bike
    racks
    at businesses. He says if a merchant doesn't want his business when he's
    on his
    bicycle, he'll avoid that merchant when he's driving.

    "If you went up and down Dixie Highway, you'd find very few if any (bike
    racks)," he said. "You pretty much have to chain it to a post or a street
    sign."
    He has to chain his bike to the shopping-cart rack when he rides to the
    Kroger
    store in Erlanger.

    Then there's the safety issue.

    In mid-July, two bicyclists were killed when they were hit by a car in
    Crosby
    Township on the west side of Hamilton County.

    Bicyclist Eugene Spiegel said it would be nice to have more bike racks,
    but what
    bicycle riders really need is an education program for drivers that
    informs
    motorists of the rights of cyclists.

    Unless it's less than 15 degrees outside, Spiegel, 56, bicycles the six
    miles
    from his Winton Place home to his shop at Vine and Court streets
    downtown,
    Reliable Jewelry and Loan. He has a bicycle with studded tires for riding
    in
    snow and ice, and one with fenders for riding in the rain.

    As he rides, he makes mental notes on the number of bad motorists he
    encounters.
    The most common problem - they pass too closely. He always rides with a
    rear-view mirror.

    "There's a constant problem with getting yelled at, and vehicles not
    giving you
    your proper space," downtown resident Chris Pohler agreed.

    Pohler said more bicyclists would make bicycling better. That way,
    motorists
    would get used to them and act accordingly.

    Larry Parker has been an avid cyclist since 1983, but never commutes to
    work on
    his bicycle because the area in general is not biker-friendly, he said.
    One
    exception, he said, is Hyde Park, where he lives.

    Roads without shoulders to ride on, limited bike lanes that don't connect
    in any
    way and a lack of cross-town bicycle routes are big problems, he said.

    "There are just congested areas that are traffic bottlenecks," he said,
    listing
    the Oakley intersections of Paxton at Wasson and Edwards at Madison, plus
    the
    University Hospital area in Corryville.

    He agreed that motorists are a problem, but said cyclists share the
    blame. They
    are "notorious for slowing traffic and failing to leave gaps in large
    groups to
    allow motorists to pass."

    The city could also make its streets friendlier for riders by removing
    broken
    bottles. Spiegel collects bottles as he rides, about 800 of them a year,
    one-third of them Budweiser beer bottles.

    He knows that if he doesn't pick them up, they'll likely get broken and
    threaten
    his bicycle tires.

    Local merchants remain more geared to making their businesses accessible
    to
    automobiles than to bicycles.

    Crestview Hills Mall, newly renovated into an upscale "lifestyle center,"
    has
    plenty of parking spaces for autos, but no bicycle racks.

    The developer of the mall, Jeffrey R. Anderson Real Estate, doesn't have
    bicycle
    racks at any of its lifestyle centers, including Rookwood Commons in
    Norwood,
    Marketing Director Tracy Nemenz said. The issue has never come up, she
    said.

    "We truly rely on the municipalities in which we do business to really
    clue us
    in to what's important to the communities," she said.

    The city of Crestview Hills doesn't require stores to install bicycle
    racks - to
    do so would be up to the developer, City Administrator Dan Groth said.

    He often sees bicycle riders in subdivisions, but rarely on Dixie Highway
    or
    Turkeyfoot Road, two major roads inside the city. The city has no
    dedicated
    paths for bicycles.

    "There are just too many highways going through the city," Groth said.

    Some businesses still extend the welcome mat to bicyclists. Newport on
    the Levee
    has several well-used bicycle racks and even offers a bicycle valet,
    General
    Manager Ellen Prows said. For $2, the valet will secure your bicycle
    until you
    return from shopping. It's never been an especially popular service, she
    said,
    but it's there.

    Florence Mall has two bicycle racks at the mall entrances off Mall Road,
    said
    spokesperson Stephanie Wood.

    You'll find a variety of bicycle racks at businesses up and down Houston
    Road in
    Florence because, since 2002, the Boone County Planning Commission has
    required
    them in all new developments, Executive Director Kevin Costello said.

    Erpenbeck Elementary School puts out a new bicycle rack every year and
    now has
    about five, Costello said, because of all the kids who ride there from
    nearby
    Plantation Pointe subdivision.

    But even some bicyclists don't think bikes belong everywhere in this age
    of the
    automobile. Edgewood resident Paul Listerman said bicycles just didn't
    belong in
    some places, including shopping malls.

    "I don't think they have any particular obligation to put up bike racks
    and
    invite us in," he said. "The only thing we're going to do is go in and
    get a cup
    of coffee."

    When he rides his bicycle to the Starbucks at the Crestview Hills Mall,
    he
    simply leans it against the window outside, where he can keep an eye on
    it.

    "Before anyone can grab it, I can be out the door," he said. "I've done
    the same
    at Panera Bread for years."

    Downtown Cincinnati has bicycle racks only at the main branch of the
    Public
    Library of Cincinnati and Hamilton County at 800 Vine St., Speigel said.

    Listerman is among bicyclists who don't want to see designated bicycle
    trails on
    city streets.

    "If we had more bike paths, I would be expected by cars and perhaps the
    law to
    stay on the bike path," he said. "That would really limit where and how
    far you
    could go."

    Many bicyclists use dedicated bike paths such as the Little Miami Scenic
    Trail
    on Hamilton County's east side or the eight-mile loop at Miami Whitewater
    park
    on the county's west side. But for serious cyclists, those routes can be
    dangerous because there are too many parents pushing strollers on them,
    Listerman said.

    "Multiple-use trails are great, but I don't want to be restricted to
    them," he
    said.

    The Little Miami trail runs from the Little Miami Golf Center in Newtown
    to Buck
    Creek State Park in Clark County, more than 70 miles. It's popular with
    bicyclists, runners, roller bladers and more.

    The Hamilton County Park District hopes to eventually extend the trail to
    Clear
    Creek Park in Anderson Township, spokeswoman Joy Landry said.

    Sometimes, bike paths are dedicated that aren't really practical. Houston
    Road
    in Florence has a dedicated bicycle lane that no one ever uses, Mitchell
    said,
    because it goes nowhere.

    But a new section of U.S. 42 through Union, with sidewalks and bicycle
    lanes,
    has attracted riders, he said.

    When it comes to accommodating bicycles, Boone County may be the most
    progressive Northern Kentucky county. The planning commission requires
    new
    developments to build sidewalks and plan for bicycle routes, Costello
    said.

    Also, when roads are upgraded, "we're trying to include bike paths as
    part of
    that," he said. That includes a new road the county plans to build to
    link Ky.
    18 with Donaldson and Houston roads. It could form the first link of a
    bicycle
    path around Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport similar to
    the
    one around Lunken Airport in Cincinnati, Costello said.

    Boone County would also like to create a safe path for bicyclists that
    would
    connect its mountain bike trails in England-Idlewild Park with its
    bicycle paths
    in Central Park, he said.

    The planning commissions in Kenton and Campbell counties don't require
    developers to create bicycle trails.

    "I'd be happy with a sign that says, 'Share the road,' so motorists would
    know I
    have the right to be there too," said Keith Logsdon, a bicycle rider and
    the
    Northern Kentucky Area Planning Commission's deputy director for
    long-range
    planning.

    Less experienced riders would need bicycle lanes, he said, but the
    commission
    has had more success getting developers to agree to build sidewalks for
    pedestrians.

    Things are improving for bicycle riders, Mitchell said, albeit slowly.

    Local riders were glad to learn that in May, the Transit Authority of
    Northern
    Kentucky finished putting bicycle racks on all of its buses. TANK used a
    $70,000
    grant from the state to fund 80 percent of the project, spokeswoman Gina
    Douthit
    said.

    The system had 562 bike boardings in June, she said, and "that's just
    huge for
    the first month of a project like this. There are systems who have had
    racks for
    years that are not right in line with where we are."

    All 390 buses in the Metro bus system, which serves Cincinnati, have
    bicycle
    racks, spokesman Sallie Hilvers said.

    Metro doesn't keep track of how many bicycle riders use the bus, but
    Hilvers
    said she has seen more bicycles on the racks in the past few months.

    Publication date: 08-05-2006

    http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060805/NEWS02/608050327

    Amaeicans are pretty much tied to the automobile as the primary mode of
    transportation. even if gasoline went over $5.00 US a gallon it would have
    little effect on this.
    What would have to happen is gasoline shortages and high prices. At that
    point the populace would scream for other forms of transporation and mass
    transit and bicycling would become much more popular then. Unfortuanately,
    except for some limited mass transportation features in a few cities, most
    cities have none at all. It would take at the minimum about five years to
    even get a bus system running in most localities with all the red tape
    involved. Ten years to get a train system going. So that means people had
    better get used to using bicycles, walking, or working from home
    (telecommuting for example). But it would have the benefit of getting a
    lot of multi-billion dollar road and highway projects shelved so the money
    could be used to build mass transporation alternatives in some areas.One
    major issue is most all the cities have little or no money for mass
    transportation, so it would mean taxes would go up to support it.

    This is the problem with bottom posting, and why top posting makes more
    sense.

    -JF

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  6. James Fitch said:

    This is the problem with bottom posting, and why top posting makes
    more sense.

    You left 14 KB's worth of text to add THAT?

    God help us...


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    This is the problem with bottom posting, and why top posting makes more
    sense.

    -JF

    Not at all. The problem here is that both of you haven't learned to snip out
    the parts that don't need to be repeated!

    Pat in TX

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    This is the problem with bottom posting, and why top posting makes more
    sense.

    -JF

    Actually, 1/3 of the readers like bottom posting, another 1/3 of the readers
    like top posting, and the other 1/3 of the readers wants to see the whole
    thing, as their newsreader software tends to drop the original messages
    fast, so they miss out on much of the discussion going on.
    So obviously no matter what one does it offends someone somehow.

  9. I left it there precisely to emphasize the point.

    -JF

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    This is the problem with bottom posting, and why top posting makes
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    You left 14 KB's worth of text to add THAT?

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  10. In rec.bicycles.misc Bonehenge said:


    Which "Tri-State"?

    Apparently, it never occurred to you that there are many "Tri-State"
    areas in the USA?

    Garrison seems to be a trifle provincial. I'm not sure if he's figured
    out how to respond to people posts as he seems to think Usenet is a
    write-only medium.

    Also, ontopic to the thread. I lived in Cincinnati for seven years
    (mostly pre-cycling). A few obervations: First, the city has the
    worst drivers in the state - backed up by accident statistics
    unfortunately. I didn't feel particularly safe in a car in Cincinnati,
    it was worse when I was on a bike. Second, the city has a dramatic
    segregation in terms of race and income. The haves and have-nots do not
    mix and if you are riding a bike you are automatically classed as a
    have-not and noone cares if you live or die.

    Plus the terrain is crappy, the roads are poor and the weather is
    abysmal. Oh, and not many good bike stores.

    I can't imagine why cycling is unpopular there.

    --
    Dane Buson - [email hidden]
    "Life is cheap. It's the accessories that kill you."

  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently, it never occurred to you that there are many "Tri-State"


    areas in the USA?

    If he's writing for a local newspaper which just happens to be online,
    perhaps he doesn't realize the article will be 'lifted' from its proper
    place and taken out of context elsewhere.

    As far as bike friendly cities are concerned...

    I used to live in Minneapolis which has plenty of bike trails, but I
    also rode on the street because most of the time they were wide and
    there was plenty of room for cars and bikes. So one day I was riding
    down Central Avenue, a pretty busy road, apparently, and we were
    stopped at a stoplight. So some jerk behind me yells at me to get off
    the road...I can't remember his exact phrasing, but I turned and yelled
    back, "I have a right to the road also."

    And he yelled back the same thing he'd said before...and each time I
    told him I had a right to the road he just repeated himself also. I
    thought about pointing out to him that he was pretty stupid but since
    he was in a pickup truck and I was on a bike and he seemed kind of
    unstable..I didn't want to provoke him any more than he already was.

    Having said that, every time I was driving and passed a biker riding
    the wrong way on the road, or unable to keep to a straight line, or
    biking at night while wearing dark clothing, I could just shake my
    head, as it's these types who give bicyclists a bad rep.

    Now I'm vacationing in Germany for a month - the southeastern part near
    Kaiserslautern, and it is *great* for biking. The rules are very strict
    - drivers have to give bikers a 3 meter clearance when passing, and
    can't pass until it's safe to do so...and they don't mind doing
    it...there are plenty of car free days so that bikers can get out and
    use a section of the autobahn en masse, etc.

    Caroline
    The Thunder Child Science Fiction webzine
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