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How many strands of wire in a cable? Twist rate?

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  1. A friend just gleefully asked me how many strands of wire there are in
    a bicycle cable, what the twist rate is, and why.

    Honesty being the best policy, I replied that I don't know and that
    it's probably none of his damned business, but that I'd ask.

    He pointed out that he can answer the question for ethernet cables.

    I know that cable housing varies between brakes and gearshifts, but I
    have no idea about the cables that go inside them.

    Does anyone know how many little wire strands make up a typical cable
    and how many twists are normal per inch or foot? Do all cables use a
    standard number of strands and twist rate? If so, do more strands
    twisted more tightly make a better cable? Rated strength? Do cable
    manufacturers disagree?

    I'd appreciate any details that will help to wipe the smug look off
    his face.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  2. Quoted message said:

    A friend just gleefully asked me how many strands of wire there are in
    a bicycle cable, what the twist rate is, and why.

    Honesty being the best policy, I replied that I don't know and that
    it's probably none of his damned business, but that I'd ask.

    He pointed out that he can answer the question for ethernet cables.

    I know that cable housing varies between brakes and gearshifts, but I
    have no idea about the cables that go inside them.

    Does anyone know how many little wire strands make up a typical cable
    and how many twists are normal per inch or foot? Do all cables use a
    standard number of strands and twist rate? If so, do more strands
    twisted more tightly make a better cable? Rated strength? Do cable
    manufacturers disagree?

    I'd appreciate any details that will help to wipe the smug look off
    his face.

    I don't know.

    JFT

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  3. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    A friend just gleefully asked me how many strands of wire there are in
    a bicycle cable, what the twist rate is, and why.

    Honesty being the best policy, I replied that I don't know and that
    it's probably none of his damned business, but that I'd ask.

    He pointed out that he can answer the question for ethernet cables.

    Just kick him in the nuts.

    winnard

  4. "John F. Flogittodeathlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A friend just gleefully asked me how many strands of wire there are in
    a bicycle cable, what the twist rate is, and why.

    Honesty being the best policy, I replied that I don't know and that
    it's probably none of his damned business, but that I'd ask.

    He pointed out that he can answer the question for ethernet cables.

    I know that cable housing varies between brakes and gearshifts, but I
    have no idea about the cables that go inside them.

    Does anyone know how many little wire strands make up a typical cable
    and how many twists are normal per inch or foot? Do all cables use a
    standard number of strands and twist rate? If so, do more strands
    twisted more tightly make a better cable? Rated strength? Do cable
    manufacturers disagree?

    I'd appreciate any details that will help to wipe the smug look off
    his face.

    I don't know.

    JFT

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    Readers should be aware that the above reply was most likely made by the
    usenet entity sometimes known as Sorni.

    For more of Sorni's contributions to this newsgroup posters can examine the
    various helmet threads; where the headers from his posts will bear an
    uncommon resemblance to those of this post.

    For those who are curious as to why Sorni would post as he has above (using
    a alias designed to insult another frequent contibutor, with a post that
    essentially a complete waste) it may help to know that in the helmet wars,
    Sorni is on the pro-helmet zealot side.

  5. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    A friend just gleefully asked me how many strands of wire there are in
    a bicycle cable, what the twist rate is, and why.

    Honesty being the best policy, I replied that I don't know and that
    it's probably none of his damned business, but that I'd ask.

    He pointed out that he can answer the question for ethernet cables.

    I know that cable housing varies between brakes and gearshifts, but I
    have no idea about the cables that go inside them.

    Does anyone know how many little wire strands make up a typical cable
    and how many twists are normal per inch or foot? Do all cables use a
    standard number of strands and twist rate? If so, do more strands
    twisted more tightly make a better cable? Rated strength? Do cable
    manufacturers disagree?

    Cables are commonly made in any number of configurations; cycle cables are a
    small subset of these.

    The most basic construction of a cable uses seven starnds of the same
    diameter; conveniently for those of us who operate in Euclidean geometry six
    such starnds will completely surround the seventh. The twist is either
    right-hand or left-hand; from the reading I did several decades ago
    right-hand twist was more common - but which way was "right" and which
    "left" I cannot remember, and it probably does not matter.

    Surround a seven strand core requires a total of nineteen (7 + 12). Cable
    constructiion can be quite complex as the size and requirements go up - some
    cables can be (were?) made with hemp cores, which were soaked in oil for
    lubrication and corrosion resistance, and there are various combinations of
    left and right twists of left- and right-twisted starnds. Thicker strands
    are more wear resistant, but are less flexible, and the twist arrangements
    also have particular characteristics.

    For your question, why don't you take an old cable - or snip a bit off the
    end - and count?

  6. John F. Flogittodeathlinson said:


    I don't know.

    Ozark, did you post this?

    JT

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  7. John F. Flogittodeathlinson said:


    I don't know.

    Sorni, did you write this?

    JT

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  8. Quoted message said:

    A friend just gleefully asked me how many strands of wire there are in
    a bicycle cable, what the twist rate is, and why.

    Honesty being the best policy, I replied that I don't know and that
    it's probably none of his damned business, but that I'd ask.

    He pointed out that he can answer the question for ethernet cables.

    I know that cable housing varies between brakes and gearshifts, but I
    have no idea about the cables that go inside them.

    Does anyone know how many little wire strands make up a typical cable

    1+6+12
    innerstrand is 6 strands wrapped around 1 in the middle, which is
    traditional for twisted cables. 12 are wrapped around these as this is
    the number of strands which fit

    Quoted message said:

    and how many twists are normal per inch or foot? Do all cables use a
    standard number of strands and twist rate? If so, do more strands
    twisted more tightly make a better cable? Rated strength?

    more twists make for a more flexible (good) and stretchy (bad) cable. So
    the chosen angle is a compromise
    --
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    Marten Gerritsen

    INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
    www.m-gineering.nl

  9. jtaylor said:

    "John F. Flogittodeathlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A friend just gleefully asked me how many strands of wire there are in
    a bicycle cable, what the twist rate is, and why.

    Honesty being the best policy, I replied that I don't know and that
    it's probably none of his damned business, but that I'd ask.

    He pointed out that he can answer the question for ethernet cables.

    I know that cable housing varies between brakes and gearshifts, but I
    have no idea about the cables that go inside them.

    Does anyone know how many little wire strands make up a typical cable
    and how many twists are normal per inch or foot? Do all cables use a
    standard number of strands and twist rate? If so, do more strands
    twisted more tightly make a better cable? Rated strength? Do cable
    manufacturers disagree?

    I'd appreciate any details that will help to wipe the smug look off
    his face.

    I don't know.

    JFT

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    Readers should be aware that the above reply was most likely made by the
    usenet entity sometimes known as Sorni.

    Or as "Bill Sornson".

    Quoted message said:

    For more of Sorni's contributions to this newsgroup posters can examine the
    various helmet threads; where the headers from his posts will bear an
    uncommon resemblance to those of this post.

    For those who are curious as to why Sorni would post as he has above (using
    a alias designed to insult another frequent contibutor, with a post that
    essentially a complete waste) it may help to know that in the helmet wars,
    Sorni is on the pro-helmet zealot side.

    I suspect the response in this thread is related to this post:
    <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/dec5cc3ea2ae598a?dmode=source>
    and the ensuing discussion.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
    Impact is not a synonym of affect or effect

  10. jtaylor said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't know.

    JFT

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    Readers should be aware that the above reply was most likely made by the
    usenet entity sometimes known as Sorni.

    For more of Sorni's contributions to this newsgroup posters can examine the
    various helmet threads; where the headers from his posts will bear an
    uncommon resemblance to those of this post.

    For those who are curious as to why Sorni would post as he has above (using
    a alias designed to insult another frequent contibutor, with a post that
    essentially a complete waste) it may help to know that in the helmet wars,
    Sorni is on the pro-helmet zealot side.

    And just as importantly, readers should know that the jtaylor is a
    pathetic weasel who won't answer simple questions. Some of us, doubt
    that he actually even rides a bicycle.

    He likes to snip content to change context, and then attack that
    altered point of view. Alias' include jflaylor, jflailor and PW.

    Only an anti-helmet zealot [AHZ] like himself, would consider the
    debate on the wisdom of choosing to wear a helmet, as the helmet wars.

    Life is Good!
    Jeff

  11. Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:


    --
    Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain

    Tom,

    Please, what is in front of the Cheddar Curtain?

    Ron

  12. "Jeff Starr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    jtaylor said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't know.

    JFT

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    Readers should be aware that the above reply was most likely made by the
    usenet entity sometimes known as Sorni.

    For more of Sorni's contributions to this newsgroup posters can examine


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    various helmet threads; where the headers from his posts will bear an
    uncommon resemblance to those of this post.

    For those who are curious as to why Sorni would post as he has above


    (using

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a alias designed to insult another frequent contibutor, with a post that
    essentially a complete waste) it may help to know that in the helmet


    wars,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sorni is on the pro-helmet zealot side.

    And just as importantly, readers should know that the jtaylor is a
    pathetic weasel who won't answer simple questions. Some of us, doubt
    that he actually even rides a bicycle.

    Insults are evidence that the person using them has no other support.

    "Jeff Starr" may even surpass "Sorni" in this respect.

  13. RonSonic said:
    Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:


    --
    Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain

    Tom,

    Please, what is in front of the Cheddar Curtain?

    A hoard of FIBs (aka Illinois residents).

    --
    Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
    Impact is not a synonym of affect or effect

  14. Quoted message said:

    A friend just gleefully asked me how many strands of wire there are in
    a bicycle cable, what the twist rate is, and why.

    Honesty being the best policy, I replied that I don't know and that
    it's probably none of his damned business, but that I'd ask.

    He pointed out that he can answer the question for ethernet cables.

    (He's twisting something other than cables. I hope it does not hurt
    too much).

    With Ethernet cables, the twist rate is controlled by standards. For
    example, the twist rate of a cat-3 cable is lower than that of a cat-5
    cable. It has to do with the integrity of the signal. The twist rates
    and proper connector use (not un-twisting more than 1/2" of cable at
    the connector, etc is part of any basic Ethernet wiring education.
    Anyone who goes through basic Ethernet training learns about twist
    rates.

    Bicycle cables, on the other hand are not controlled by formal
    standards. There is no twist rate discussed in bicycle mechanic
    school. In fact, last I checked, there was no bicycle mechanic school.

    All that said, it would be interesting to note the construction and
    performance characteristics of various cables from various bicycle
    cable manufacturers.

  15. John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    John F. Flogittodeathlinson said:


    I don't know.

    Ozark, did you post this?

    I don't know.

  16. jtaylor said:

    "Jeff Starr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    jtaylor said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I don't know.
    >
    > JFT
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    Readers should be aware that the above reply was most likely made by the
    usenet entity sometimes known as Sorni.

    For more of Sorni's contributions to this newsgroup posters can examine


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    various helmet threads; where the headers from his posts will bear an
    uncommon resemblance to those of this post.

    For those who are curious as to why Sorni would post as he has above


    (using

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a alias designed to insult another frequent contibutor, with a post that
    essentially a complete waste) it may help to know that in the helmet


    wars,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sorni is on the pro-helmet zealot side.

    And just as importantly, readers should know that the jtaylor is a
    pathetic weasel who won't answer simple questions. Some of us, doubt
    that he actually even rides a bicycle.

    Insults are evidence that the person using them has no other support.

    I'll support Jeff's opinion that you are a pathetic weasel.

    Quoted message said:

    "Jeff Starr" may even surpass "Sorni" in this respect.

    I see you snipped out Jeff's comments about how you snip posts to
    change context. Why is thet, you POS?

  17. John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    Quoted message said:


    John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:47:09 GMT, "John F. Flogittodeathlinson"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >
    >I don't know.

    Ozark, did you post this?

    I don't know.

    You're lying.

    You don't know.

  18. Quoted message said:


    John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    John F. Flogittodeathlinson said:


    I don't know.

    Ozark, did you post this?

    I don't know.

    You're lying.

    JT

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  19. <[email hidden]> wrote: (clip) He pointed out that he can answer the
    question for ethernet cables.(clip)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    That puts a different twist on the use of the word "cable."

  20. John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    Quoted message said:


    John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    On 13 Aug 2006 09:37:53 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

    >
    >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
    >> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:47:09 GMT, "John F. Flogittodeathlinson"
    >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> >
    >> >I don't know.
    >>
    >> Ozark, did you post this?
    >>
    >>
    >
    >I don't know.

    You're lying.

    You don't know.

    I surely don't know who wrote the post I asked about, but I know
    you're lying: you'd know if you wrote it and you'd know if you didn't
    write it.

    If you didn't write it, the "I don't know" is actually a pretty funny
    joke - kudos for that.

    Ask yourself this simple question: "Who is it that refers to me as
    Flogittodeathlinson?".

    See?

    Quoted message said:

    If you did write it, the "I don't know" is a sign of cowardice.

    JT

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