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  1. Scott en Aztlán said:

    http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-ecotrans14.html

    Driver's bicycling alternative sure to be a hit

    August 14, 2006

    BY GARY WISBY Environment Reporter

    People switch to fuel-efficient vehicles for all kinds of reasons.
    Margaret James realized it was time for a change the day an impatient
    driver rear-ended her bicycle.

    "I wasn't injured, but it scared the [censored] out of me," the Evanston
    musician said. "I started looking on the Internet for safer ways to
    bike."

    Now James tools around in a Twike, a teardrop-shaped contraption that
    combines pedal power with battery propulsion.

    Vehicles, bikes at show

    Her Swiss-made three-wheeler, one of five being driven in this
    country, is among the alternative vehicles that will be on view
    Tuesday at the first Eco-Transportation Show.

    It's sponsored by the nonprofit Foresight Design Initiative as an
    extension of the monthly meeting of Chicago Green Drinks, composed of
    professionals, students and others with an environmental bent.

    The event at the Jefferson Tap, 325 N. Jefferson, will precede a 7
    p.m. talk on "sustainable transportation" by panelists from the CTA,
    Chicagoland Bicycle Federation and Metropolitan Planning Council.
    Admission to the discussion is $5.

    But there's no charge for the 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. outdoor show, which
    will feature 13 enclosed vehicles and half a dozen specialized
    bicycles.

    Among them are the biodiesel-burning Volkswagen that Scott Schechter
    fuels with used vegetable oil from restaurants; an electric 1992 Chevy
    S10 pickup truck that carries Ted Lowe 50 miles on a $2 charge; and
    Payton Chung's Extracycle, an SUB (sport-utility bicycle) on which at
    various times he's carried an armchair, a case of wine, a folding bike
    and another person.

    "Twike" stands for twin bike. It's built around two recumbent bicycles
    and looks like a cockpit that fell off a jet fighter. Empty, the
    machine weighs only 520 pounds -- "Guys are always picking up the
    front" -- and James can get it going 52 mph.

    Mechanics abroad

    A passenger can pedal too, but the added weight means James' job isn't
    necessarily any easier. She works so hard that even in winter the
    heating/defrosting system -- two hair dryers mounted at the bottom of
    the windshield -- is more than adequate. "You pedal for two or three
    minutes and boy, you're toasty," said James, 50.

    She depends on the battery to make it up hills. "All the energy is
    regenerated on the way down," she said. "It's such a brilliant
    machine."

    Twikes cost $16,000 new. James bought her used 1998 model for $12,500.
    She's in contact with the other U.S. owners in Indiana, Minnesota,
    Ohio and Vermont.

    Each gets an annual service call from a mechanic sent over by the
    Swiss manufacturer. "If there were five Fords in Switzerland," James
    said, "do you think Ford would send a mechanic there?"

    $16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

  2. laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:
    Scott en Aztlán said:

    http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-ecotrans14.html

    Driver's bicycling alternative sure to be a hit

    August 14, 2006

    BY GARY WISBY Environment Reporter

    People switch to fuel-efficient vehicles for all kinds of reasons.
    Margaret James realized it was time for a change the day an impatient
    driver rear-ended her bicycle.

    "I wasn't injured, but it scared the [censored] out of me," the Evanston
    musician said. "I started looking on the Internet for safer ways to
    bike."

    Now James tools around in a Twike, a teardrop-shaped contraption that
    combines pedal power with battery propulsion.

    Vehicles, bikes at show

    Her Swiss-made three-wheeler, one of five being driven in this
    country, is among the alternative vehicles that will be on view
    Tuesday at the first Eco-Transportation Show.

    It's sponsored by the nonprofit Foresight Design Initiative as an
    extension of the monthly meeting of Chicago Green Drinks, composed of
    professionals, students and others with an environmental bent.

    The event at the Jefferson Tap, 325 N. Jefferson, will precede a 7
    p.m. talk on "sustainable transportation" by panelists from the CTA,
    Chicagoland Bicycle Federation and Metropolitan Planning Council.
    Admission to the discussion is $5.

    But there's no charge for the 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. outdoor show, which
    will feature 13 enclosed vehicles and half a dozen specialized
    bicycles.

    Among them are the biodiesel-burning Volkswagen that Scott Schechter
    fuels with used vegetable oil from restaurants; an electric 1992 Chevy
    S10 pickup truck that carries Ted Lowe 50 miles on a $2 charge; and
    Payton Chung's Extracycle, an SUB (sport-utility bicycle) on which at
    various times he's carried an armchair, a case of wine, a folding bike
    and another person.

    "Twike" stands for twin bike. It's built around two recumbent bicycles
    and looks like a cockpit that fell off a jet fighter. Empty, the
    machine weighs only 520 pounds -- "Guys are always picking up the
    front" -- and James can get it going 52 mph.

    Mechanics abroad

    A passenger can pedal too, but the added weight means James' job isn't
    necessarily any easier. She works so hard that even in winter the
    heating/defrosting system -- two hair dryers mounted at the bottom of
    the windshield -- is more than adequate. "You pedal for two or three
    minutes and boy, you're toasty," said James, 50.

    She depends on the battery to make it up hills. "All the energy is
    regenerated on the way down," she said. "It's such a brilliant
    machine."

    Twikes cost $16,000 new. James bought her used 1998 model for $12,500.
    She's in contact with the other U.S. owners in Indiana, Minnesota,
    Ohio and Vermont.

    Each gets an annual service call from a mechanic sent over by the
    Swiss manufacturer. "If there were five Fords in Switzerland," James
    said, "do you think Ford would send a mechanic there?"

    $16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

    If that is what it will cost, that is what you will have to pay.
    Obviously they are people willing to pay that. Personally, I think it
    takes some kind of nutjob to spend $16,000 for a fancy electric bike
    when I can just buy a tricked out 450 hp chevy 350 to drop into my jeep
    for a quarter of that.

    It's called 'supply and demand'. Look it up. If there are people
    willing to pay that much, that is what it will go for. If not, they
    wont sell many, will they?

    Just because you think it's 'good for the environemtn' does not mean
    they have to sell it cheap.

    Yol Bolsun,
    Grendel.

    "We're amused by you libs and dims. It's kinda like watching the
    chimps at the zoo. You know there's a limited amount of intelligence
    there, they're cute and they're fun to watch, but you know they'll
    never quite make evolutionary leap."

  3. On 14 Aug 2006 09:02:33 -0700, "Grendel" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    $16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

    If that is what it will cost, that is what you will have to pay.
    Obviously they are people willing to pay that. Personally, I think it
    takes some kind of nutjob to spend $16,000 for a fancy electric bike
    when I can just buy a tricked out 450 hp chevy 350 to drop into my jeep
    for a quarter of that.

    It's called 'supply and demand'. Look it up. If there are people
    willing to pay that much, that is what it will go for. If not, they
    wont sell many, will they?

    You are an idiot. Supply and demand does not mandate a particular
    price. THINK

  4. "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    You are an idiot. Supply and demand does not mandate a particular
    price. THINK

    Oh God, every so often, something so stupid comes out
    of it's head, I have to laugh out loud.

    This is why I can't block LBMHBF, such unadulterated
    stupidity is pretty funny, albeit unintentionally.

    Bernard

  5. In rec.bicycles.misc laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <long post and cross-posts snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    $16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

    She got a deal. I seem to remember them costing even more than that,
    as in twenty grand. I also seem to remember one American buyer getting
    stuck when US Customs wouldn't let her Twike through and the manufacturer
    wouldn't take it back. Customs claimed the Twike isn't street-legal. I
    don't recall what the manufacturer's excuse was.

    Bill

    __o | Weaning our nation from fossil fuels should be understood as
    _`\(,_ | the most patriotic policy to which we can commit ourselves.
    (_)/ (_) | -Robert Redford

  6. bernard farquart said:


    "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    You are an idiot. Supply and demand does not mandate a particular
    price. THINK

    Oh God, every so often, something so stupid comes out
    of it's head, I have to laugh out loud.

    This is why I can't block LBMHBF, such unadulterated
    stupidity is pretty funny, albeit unintentionally.

    Bernard

    HAHAHA. I see that once again all you have is childish namecalling.
    Apparently even you realize i'm right and so have no other response.
    HAHAHA.

    Are you really so stupid that you think the seller has no freedom
    where to set the price?? THINK

  7. Quoted message said:

    In rec.bicycles.misc laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <long post and cross-posts snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    $16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

    She got a deal. I seem to remember them costing even more than that,
    as in twenty grand. I also seem to remember one American buyer getting
    stuck when US Customs wouldn't let her Twike through and the manufacturer
    wouldn't take it back. Customs claimed the Twike isn't street-legal. I
    don't recall what the manufacturer's excuse was.

    Bill

    According to the Twike website, the price they advertise for North
    America is $26,000.00 U.S.

    For that price, you can buy an even dozen of our Electric Trikes !!!!!

    Captain - www.boomerbents.com

    Quoted message said:

    __o | Weaning our nation from fossil fuels should be understood as
    _`\(,_ | the most patriotic policy to which we can commit ourselves.
    (_)/ (_) | -Robert Redford

  8. Captain said:
    Quoted message said:

    In rec.bicycles.misc laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <long post and cross-posts snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    $16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

    She got a deal. I seem to remember them costing even more than that,
    as in twenty grand. I also seem to remember one American buyer getting
    stuck when US Customs wouldn't let her Twike through and the manufacturer
    wouldn't take it back. Customs claimed the Twike isn't street-legal. I
    don't recall what the manufacturer's excuse was.

    Bill

    According to the Twike website, the price they advertise for North
    America is $26,000.00 U.S.

    For that price, you can buy an even dozen of our Electric Trikes !!!!!

    Captain - www.boomerbents.com

    UPDATE: That's $ 26,000.00 for the basic model. For the luxury model
    with "all the best equipment" you can go to $ 44,000.00 U.S. Yikes
    !!!! Twikes !!!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    __o | Weaning our nation from fossil fuels should be understood as
    _`\(,_ | the most patriotic policy to which we can commit ourselves.
    (_)/ (_) | -Robert Redford

  9. laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:

    On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:08:16 -0700, Scott en Aztlán <[email hidden]> posted:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Twikes cost $16,000 new. James bought her used 1998 model for $12,500.
    She's in contact with the other U.S. owners in Indiana, Minnesota,
    Ohio and Vermont.

    Each gets an annual service call from a mechanic sent over by the
    Swiss manufacturer. "If there were five Fords in Switzerland," James
    said, "do you think Ford would send a mechanic there?"

    $16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

    It says here $26,000: http://www.twike.us/

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

  10. laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said:
    bernard farquart said:


    "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    You are an idiot. Supply and demand does not mandate a particular
    price. THINK

    Oh God, every so often, something so stupid comes out
    of it's head, I have to laugh out loud.

    This is why I can't block LBMHBF, such unadulterated
    stupidity is pretty funny, albeit unintentionally.

    Bernard

    HAHAHA. I see that once again all you have is childish namecalling.
    Apparently even you realize i'm right and so have no other response.
    HAHAHA.

    Are you really so stupid that you think the seller has no freedom
    where to set the price?? THINK

    Yes, he does, and as HE IS THE ONLY SELLER of this product (thus the
    'supply' is low) he can set any price he wants. If the DEMAND is there
    (and it must be as he is selling them), then he will get the price he
    is asking. If not, then he must price them to where they WILL sell.

    Simply put (in deference to you):
    High Supply, low demand=low prices.
    Low Supply, high demand=high prices.

    If no one were demanding to buy this vehicle, then he wouldn't be able
    to charge $16,000. As he is able to get that price, obviously it is
    the right price.

    See, supply and demand. There is a demand for a better alternative to
    a bicycle by people who are environmentally friendly. There is not
    much of a supply. Thus, the seller can ask a better price.

    It might not seem 'appropriate' to you, but then you're an idiot.

    Thanks for proving our case. Both that 'Supply and Demand' were in
    effect here, and that you are hopelessly stupid.

    Yol Bolsun,
    Grendel.

    "We're amused by you tree huggers. It's kinda like watching the chimps
    at the zoo. You know there's a limited amount of intelligence there,
    they're cute and they're fun to watch, but you know they'll never quite
    make evolutionary leap."

  11. Quoted message said:


    laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Are you really so stupid that you think the seller has no freedom
    where to set the price?? THINK


    Quoted message said:


    If no one were demanding to buy this vehicle, then he wouldn't be able
    to charge $16,000. As he is able to get that price, obviously it is
    the right price.

    HAHAHA. And if i price my beater at $10,000 and some idiot buys it
    then that proves that $10,000 is obviously the right price.!!??
    HAHAHA. Your stupidity is boundless.

  12. Captain said:

    According to the Twike website, the price they advertise for North
    America is $26,000.00 U.S.

    Quoted message said:

    For that price, you can buy an even dozen of our Electric Trikes !!!!!

    Cool! Where's the 50+ MPH two-seat version with the enclosed cabin?

    --kyler

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kyler Laird said:
    Captain said:

    According to the Twike website, the price they advertise for North
    America is $26,000.00 U.S.

    Quoted message said:

    For that price, you can buy an even dozen of our Electric Trikes !!!!!

    Cool! Where's the 50+ MPH two-seat version with the enclosed cabin?

    --kyler

    Mm. Yes. The 50+ MPH version would be my 7-year-old Beetle. Actually, it
    manages more than twice the speed of the Twike while carrying twice the
    passengers, and it cost about a third as much.

    My car costs about C$1500/a in fuel and about $1500/a in insurance. It's
    not quite true, but let's assume those are pure excess annual costs over
    the ownership of the Twike (in other words, I'm assuming the electricity
    and insurance costs of the Twike are $0; The actual amount is probably
    enough to buy me a fairly nice bicycle every year or two). At that rate,
    The Twike would pay for itself in six years. Except, of course, that I'd
    need a new battery pack about then. Cost not stated, but not cheap.

    Oh yes, and then there's the fact I carry more than two people in the
    car on a weekly basis, and this thing looks to have the fit, finish, and
    interior appointments of a Reliant Robin, and I already ride a bike most
    of the places the Twike could carry me.

    EVs are gradually approaching a real level of usability, and the Twike
    would work for a certain subset of people (though it really is trying to
    fit somewhere between car-ownership, bike ownership, and elegant and
    relatively simple solutions like the Stokemonkey (cleverchimp.com) and
    all the other electric bicycles).

    But for me, I'll sit this one out.

    Technological limitations killed the electric car,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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