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  1. Rafah counts its dead as Israeli tanks pull out

    Raid on camp leaves hundreds of Palestinians homeless

    Chris McGreal in Gaza Monday October 13, 2003 The Guardian

    Israeli tanks and bulldozers pulled out of southern Gaza yesterday after one of the most destructive
    raids of the intifada, leaving hundreds of Palestinians without homes and eight dead, including two
    children. The army fought its way into Rafah refugee camp on Thursday night, ostensibly in search of
    tunnels under the border with Egypt which the military said were being used to smuggle heavy
    weaponry such as ground-to-air missiles.

    But by the time the raid was over 48 hours later, just three tunnels had been found, while more than
    100 homes had been rocketed or flattened by bulldozers, about 1,500 people left homeless and two
    children killed after an Israeli helicopter fired a missile into a crowd.

    The army also cut off electricity and water to the camp.

    The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, accused Israel of breaching international law
    through "disproportionate use of force" in a civilian area. Yasser Arafat's aides called the raid a
    "war crime and a human tragedy."

    "The Israeli soldiers came and opened fire in our neighbourhood two days ago," said Ehad
    Abu Taha, 23.

    "The younger children were screaming so we tried to get away. We couldn't take anything.

    "My father tried to go back yesterday but the Israelis were still there. When we went back today,
    there was nothing left of my house. There was nothing left of my neighbourhood."

    In some places, entire rows of houses were crushed under the bulldozers. In other streets Israeli
    helicopters picked off two or three homes at a time with missiles.

    At dawn yesterday, once it was clear the Israeli tanks were mostly gone, hundreds of people loaded
    up donkey carts and fled their homes amid a swirl of rumours that the army would be back.

    Women stumbled down the road with doors to their homes strapped to their backs and children hauled
    buckets filled with cutlery.

    Mohammed Salar Omer, 40, was among those in search of a new home.

    "There were eight people living in this house. Where will I live? In the street? In the school? Some
    people have money but still have nowhere to sleep," he said.

    "There are 40 or 50 families around me trying to get their furniture or anything else they can out
    of their houses. We are asking: what did we do?"

    The Israeli military said Palestinian fighters put up fierce resistance as the tanks went in,
    throwing hundreds of grenades and bombs. But all the casualties were among the Palestinians. Of the
    eight dead, four were fighters.

    The two children killed by the Israeli helicopter missile were Ibrahim al-Qrainawi, eight, and Sami
    Salah, 12. About 60 other people in the same crowd were wounded, many of them women and children.

    The army said that there had been gunmen in the crowd and that anyone on the street was presumed to
    be hostile.

    "Where were we supposed to be?" asked Ashraf Khusa, who lived on the same street. "They were blowing
    up our homes. There were bulldozers crushing our houses. Where could we go but the street?"

    Much of the destruction was in an area known as Block J, adjacent to the large concrete wall that
    divides Rafah from Egypt.

    Before the latest raid, about 620 homes had been demolished in Rafah during the intifada, most of
    them to clear a no man's land between the camp and the wall.

    The weekend attack upped the ante significantly, with the number of houses destroyed in two days
    equivalent to a fifth of the total over the past three years.

    "We have had very, very significant damage to the refugee camp. This is well more than twice as bad
    as in any previous action," said Peter Hansen, the head of the UN's Palestinian refugee agency in
    Gaza after visiting the camp yesterday. "There is a lot of fear, there is a lot of anger and there
    are a lot of people who are very desperate."

    The army described the raid as successful, saying it was difficult to find one smuggling tunnel, let
    alone three.

    "These figures for destruction are extremely exaggerated," said an Israeli military spokesman.

    "About 10 houses were destroyed, all of which fell into one of three categories - they had a tunnel,
    were booby trapped or there was intense gunfire from them."

    The UN dismisses the army's claim. Mr Hansen said Israel had the right to curb weapons smuggling but
    not through widespread destruction of civilian homes.

    "I am not enough of a tunnel demolition expert to know whether firing missiles from a helicopter is
    a good way to destroy tunnels, but I would not have thought so," he said.

  2. It's just a shame that they didn't completely wipe it out! Would have put a stop to the homicide
    bombers and child killers.

    "Awake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rafah counts its dead as Israeli tanks pull out

    Raid on camp leaves hundreds of Palestinians homeless

    Chris McGreal in Gaza Monday October 13, 2003 The Guardian

    Israeli tanks and bulldozers pulled out of southern Gaza yesterday after one of the most
    destructive raids of the intifada, leaving hundreds of Palestinians without homes and eight dead,
    including two children. The army fought its way into Rafah refugee camp on Thursday night,
    ostensibly in search of tunnels under the border with Egypt which the military said were being
    used to smuggle heavy weaponry such as ground-to-air missiles.

    But by the time the raid was over 48 hours later, just three tunnels had been found, while more
    than 100 homes had been rocketed or flattened by bulldozers, about 1,500 people left homeless and
    two children killed after an Israeli helicopter fired a missile into a crowd.

    The army also cut off electricity and water to the camp.

    The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, accused Israel of breaching international law
    through "disproportionate use of force" in a civilian area. Yasser Arafat's aides called the raid
    a "war crime and a human tragedy."

    "The Israeli soldiers came and opened fire in our neighbourhood two days ago," said Ehad Abu
    Taha, 23.

    "The younger children were screaming so we tried to get away. We couldn't take anything.

    "My father tried to go back yesterday but the Israelis were still there. When we went back today,
    there was nothing left of my house. There was nothing left of my neighbourhood."

    In some places, entire rows of houses were crushed under the bulldozers. In other streets Israeli
    helicopters picked off two or three homes at a time with missiles.

    At dawn yesterday, once it was clear the Israeli tanks were mostly gone, hundreds of people loaded
    up donkey carts and fled their homes amid a swirl of rumours that the army would be back.

    Women stumbled down the road with doors to their homes strapped to their backs and children hauled
    buckets filled with cutlery.

    Mohammed Salar Omer, 40, was among those in search of a new home.

    "There were eight people living in this house. Where will I live? In the street? In the school?
    Some people have money but still have nowhere to sleep," he said.

    "There are 40 or 50 families around me trying to get their furniture or anything else they can out
    of their houses. We are asking: what did we do?"

    The Israeli military said Palestinian fighters put up fierce resistance as the tanks went in,
    throwing hundreds of grenades and bombs. But all the casualties were among the Palestinians. Of
    the eight dead, four were fighters.

    The two children killed by the Israeli helicopter missile were Ibrahim al-Qrainawi, eight, and
    Sami Salah, 12. About 60 other people in the same crowd were wounded, many of them women and
    children.

    The army said that there had been gunmen in the crowd and that anyone on the street was presumed
    to be hostile.

    "Where were we supposed to be?" asked Ashraf Khusa, who lived on the same street. "They were
    blowing up our homes. There were bulldozers crushing our houses. Where could we go but the
    street?"

    Much of the destruction was in an area known as Block J, adjacent to the large concrete wall that
    divides Rafah from Egypt.

    Before the latest raid, about 620 homes had been demolished in Rafah during the intifada, most of
    them to clear a no man's land between the camp and the wall.

    The weekend attack upped the ante significantly, with the number of houses destroyed in two days
    equivalent to a fifth of the total over the past three years.

    "We have had very, very significant damage to the refugee camp. This is well more than twice as
    bad as in any previous action," said Peter Hansen, the head of the UN's Palestinian refugee agency
    in Gaza after visiting the camp yesterday. "There is a lot of fear, there is a lot of anger and
    there are a lot of people who are very desperate."

    The army described the raid as successful, saying it was difficult to find one smuggling tunnel,
    let alone three.

    "These figures for destruction are extremely exaggerated," said an Israeli military spokesman.

    "About 10 houses were destroyed, all of which fell into one of three categories - they had a
    tunnel, were booby trapped or there was intense gunfire from them."

    The UN dismisses the army's claim. Mr Hansen said Israel had the right to curb weapons smuggling
    but not through widespread destruction of civilian homes.

    "I am not enough of a tunnel demolition expert to know whether firing missiles from a helicopter
    is a good way to destroy tunnels, but I would not have thought so," he said.

  3. shame they don't ethnically cleanse you - you [censored]

    "Awake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rafah counts its dead as Israeli tanks pull out

    Raid on camp leaves hundreds of Palestinians homeless

    Chris McGreal in Gaza Monday October 13, 2003 The Guardian

    Israeli tanks and bulldozers pulled out of southern Gaza yesterday after one of the most
    destructive raids of the intifada, leaving hundreds of Palestinians without homes and eight dead,
    including two children. The army fought its way into Rafah refugee camp on Thursday night,
    ostensibly in search of tunnels under the border with Egypt which the military said were being
    used to smuggle heavy weaponry such as ground-to-air missiles.

    But by the time the raid was over 48 hours later, just three tunnels had been found, while more
    than 100 homes had been rocketed or flattened by bulldozers, about 1,500 people left homeless and
    two children killed after an Israeli helicopter fired a missile into a crowd.

    The army also cut off electricity and water to the camp.

    The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, accused Israel of breaching international law
    through "disproportionate use of force" in a civilian area. Yasser Arafat's aides called the raid
    a "war crime and a human tragedy."

    "The Israeli soldiers came and opened fire in our neighbourhood two days ago," said Ehad Abu
    Taha, 23.

    "The younger children were screaming so we tried to get away. We couldn't take anything.

    "My father tried to go back yesterday but the Israelis were still there. When we went back today,
    there was nothing left of my house. There was nothing left of my neighbourhood."

    In some places, entire rows of houses were crushed under the bulldozers. In other streets Israeli
    helicopters picked off two or three homes at a time with missiles.

    At dawn yesterday, once it was clear the Israeli tanks were mostly gone, hundreds of people loaded
    up donkey carts and fled their homes amid a swirl of rumours that the army would be back.

    Women stumbled down the road with doors to their homes strapped to their backs and children hauled
    buckets filled with cutlery.

    Mohammed Salar Omer, 40, was among those in search of a new home.

    "There were eight people living in this house. Where will I live? In the street? In the school?
    Some people have money but still have nowhere to sleep," he said.

    "There are 40 or 50 families around me trying to get their furniture or anything else they can out
    of their houses. We are asking: what did we do?"

    The Israeli military said Palestinian fighters put up fierce resistance as the tanks went in,
    throwing hundreds of grenades and bombs. But all the casualties were among the Palestinians. Of
    the eight dead, four were fighters.

    The two children killed by the Israeli helicopter missile were Ibrahim al-Qrainawi, eight, and
    Sami Salah, 12. About 60 other people in the same crowd were wounded, many of them women and
    children.

    The army said that there had been gunmen in the crowd and that anyone on the street was presumed
    to be hostile.

    "Where were we supposed to be?" asked Ashraf Khusa, who lived on the same street. "They were
    blowing up our homes. There were bulldozers crushing our houses. Where could we go but the
    street?"

    Much of the destruction was in an area known as Block J, adjacent to the large concrete wall that
    divides Rafah from Egypt.

    Before the latest raid, about 620 homes had been demolished in Rafah during the intifada, most of
    them to clear a no man's land between the camp and the wall.

    The weekend attack upped the ante significantly, with the number of houses destroyed in two days
    equivalent to a fifth of the total over the past three years.

    "We have had very, very significant damage to the refugee camp. This is well more than twice as
    bad as in any previous action," said Peter Hansen, the head of the UN's Palestinian refugee agency
    in Gaza after visiting the camp yesterday. "There is a lot of fear, there is a lot of anger and
    there are a lot of people who are very desperate."

    The army described the raid as successful, saying it was difficult to find one smuggling tunnel,
    let alone three.

    "These figures for destruction are extremely exaggerated," said an Israeli military spokesman.

    "About 10 houses were destroyed, all of which fell into one of three categories - they had a
    tunnel, were booby trapped or there was intense gunfire from them."

    The UN dismisses the army's claim. Mr Hansen said Israel had the right to curb weapons smuggling
    but not through widespread destruction of civilian homes.

    "I am not enough of a tunnel demolition expert to know whether firing missiles from a helicopter
    is a good way to destroy tunnels, but I would not have thought so," he said.

  4. Bravo!

    "h" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    shame they don't ethnically cleanse you - you [censored]

    "Awake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rafah counts its dead as Israeli tanks pull out

    Raid on camp leaves hundreds of Palestinians homeless

    Chris McGreal in Gaza Monday October 13, 2003 The Guardian

    Israeli tanks and bulldozers pulled out of southern Gaza yesterday after one of the most
    destructive raids of the intifada, leaving hundreds of Palestinians without homes and eight
    dead, including two children. The army fought its way into Rafah refugee camp on Thursday night,
    ostensibly in search of tunnels under the border with Egypt which the military said were being
    used to smuggle heavy weaponry such as ground-to-air missiles.

    But by the time the raid was over 48 hours later, just three tunnels had been found, while more
    than 100 homes had been rocketed or flattened by bulldozers, about 1,500 people left homeless
    and two children killed


    after

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    an Israeli helicopter fired a missile into a crowd.

    The army also cut off electricity and water to the camp.

    The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, accused Israel of breaching international law
    through "disproportionate use of force" in a civilian area. Yasser Arafat's aides called the
    raid a "war crime and a human tragedy."

    "The Israeli soldiers came and opened fire in our neighbourhood two days ago," said Ehad Abu
    Taha, 23.

    "The younger children were screaming so we tried to get away. We


    couldn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    take anything.

    "My father tried to go back yesterday but the Israelis were still there. When we went back
    today, there was nothing left of my house. There was nothing left of my neighbourhood."

    In some places, entire rows of houses were crushed under the bulldozers. In other streets
    Israeli helicopters picked off two or three homes at a time with missiles.

    At dawn yesterday, once it was clear the Israeli tanks were mostly gone, hundreds of people
    loaded up donkey carts and fled their homes amid a swirl of rumours that the army would be back.

    Women stumbled down the road with doors to their homes strapped to their backs and children
    hauled buckets filled with cutlery.

    Mohammed Salar Omer, 40, was among those in search of a new home.

    "There were eight people living in this house. Where will I live? In the street? In the school?
    Some people have money but still have nowhere to sleep," he said.

    "There are 40 or 50 families around me trying to get their furniture or anything else they can
    out of their houses. We are asking: what did we do?"

    The Israeli military said Palestinian fighters put up fierce resistance


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the tanks went in, throwing hundreds of grenades and bombs. But all the casualties were among
    the Palestinians. Of the eight dead, four were fighters.

    The two children killed by the Israeli helicopter missile were Ibrahim al-Qrainawi, eight, and
    Sami Salah, 12. About 60 other people in the


    same

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    crowd were wounded, many of them women and children.

    The army said that there had been gunmen in the crowd and that anyone on the street was presumed
    to be hostile.

    "Where were we supposed to be?" asked Ashraf Khusa, who lived on the


    same

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    street. "They were blowing up our homes. There were bulldozers crushing our houses. Where could
    we go but the street?"

    Much of the destruction was in an area known as Block J, adjacent to the large concrete wall
    that divides Rafah from Egypt.

    Before the latest raid, about 620 homes had been demolished in Rafah during the intifada, most
    of them to clear a no man's land between the camp and the wall.

    The weekend attack upped the ante significantly, with the number of


    houses

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    destroyed in two days equivalent to a fifth of the total over the past three years.

    "We have had very, very significant damage to the refugee camp. This is well more than twice as
    bad as in any previous action," said Peter


    Hansen,

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    the head of the UN's Palestinian refugee agency in Gaza after visiting


    the

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    camp yesterday. "There is a lot of fear, there is a lot of anger and


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are a lot of people who are very desperate."

    The army described the raid as successful, saying it was difficult to


    find

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    one smuggling tunnel, let alone three.

    "These figures for destruction are extremely exaggerated," said an


    Israeli

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    military spokesman.

    "About 10 houses were destroyed, all of which fell into one of three categories - they had a
    tunnel, were booby trapped or there was intense gunfire from them."

    The UN dismisses the army's claim. Mr Hansen said Israel had the right


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    curb weapons smuggling but not through widespread destruction of


    civilian

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    homes.

    "I am not enough of a tunnel demolition expert to know whether firing missiles from a helicopter
    is a good way to destroy tunnels, but I would not have thought so," he said.


  5. Why should we care about Palestinian children, when the Palestinians themselves strap bombs on them
    every day? What a bunch of hypocrites. When the Arabs and their friends have slaughtered the last
    Jew in Israel, let's see if these same people raise a single objection.

    "h" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It's just a shame that they didn't completely wipe it out! Would have put a stop to the homicide
    bombers and child killers.

    "Awake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rafah counts its dead as Israeli tanks pull out

    Raid on camp leaves hundreds of Palestinians homeless

    Chris McGreal in Gaza Monday October 13, 2003 The Guardian

    Israeli tanks and bulldozers pulled out of southern Gaza yesterday after one of the most
    destructive raids of the intifada, leaving hundreds of Palestinians without homes and eight
    dead, including two children. The army fought its way into Rafah refugee camp on Thursday night,
    ostensibly in search of tunnels under the border with Egypt which the military said were being
    used to smuggle heavy weaponry such as ground-to-air missiles.

    But by the time the raid was over 48 hours later, just three tunnels had been found, while more
    than 100 homes had been rocketed or flattened by bulldozers, about 1,500 people left homeless
    and two children killed


    after

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    an Israeli helicopter fired a missile into a crowd.

    The army also cut off electricity and water to the camp.

    The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, accused Israel of breaching international law
    through "disproportionate use of force" in a civilian area. Yasser Arafat's aides called the
    raid a "war crime and a human tragedy."

    "The Israeli soldiers came and opened fire in our neighbourhood two days ago," said Ehad Abu
    Taha, 23.

    "The younger children were screaming so we tried to get away. We


    couldn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    take anything.

    "My father tried to go back yesterday but the Israelis were still there. When we went back
    today, there was nothing left of my house. There was nothing left of my neighbourhood."

    In some places, entire rows of houses were crushed under the bulldozers. In other streets
    Israeli helicopters picked off two or three homes at a time with missiles.

    At dawn yesterday, once it was clear the Israeli tanks were mostly gone, hundreds of people
    loaded up donkey carts and fled their homes amid a swirl of rumours that the army would be back.

    Women stumbled down the road with doors to their homes strapped to their backs and children
    hauled buckets filled with cutlery.

    Mohammed Salar Omer, 40, was among those in search of a new home.

    "There were eight people living in this house. Where will I live? In the street? In the school?
    Some people have money but still have nowhere to sleep," he said.

    "There are 40 or 50 families around me trying to get their furniture or anything else they can
    out of their houses. We are asking: what did we do?"

    The Israeli military said Palestinian fighters put up fierce resistance


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the tanks went in, throwing hundreds of grenades and bombs. But all the casualties were among
    the Palestinians. Of the eight dead, four were fighters.

    The two children killed by the Israeli helicopter missile were Ibrahim al-Qrainawi, eight, and
    Sami Salah, 12. About 60 other people in the


    same

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    crowd were wounded, many of them women and children.

    The army said that there had been gunmen in the crowd and that anyone on the street was presumed
    to be hostile.

    "Where were we supposed to be?" asked Ashraf Khusa, who lived on the


    same

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    street. "They were blowing up our homes. There were bulldozers crushing our houses. Where could
    we go but the street?"

    Much of the destruction was in an area known as Block J, adjacent to the large concrete wall
    that divides Rafah from Egypt.

    Before the latest raid, about 620 homes had been demolished in Rafah during the intifada, most
    of them to clear a no man's land between the camp and the wall.

    The weekend attack upped the ante significantly, with the number of


    houses

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    destroyed in two days equivalent to a fifth of the total over the past three years.

    "We have had very, very significant damage to the refugee camp. This is well more than twice as
    bad as in any previous action," said Peter


    Hansen,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the head of the UN's Palestinian refugee agency in Gaza after visiting


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    camp yesterday. "There is a lot of fear, there is a lot of anger and


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are a lot of people who are very desperate."

    The army described the raid as successful, saying it was difficult to


    find

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    one smuggling tunnel, let alone three.

    "These figures for destruction are extremely exaggerated," said an


    Israeli

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    military spokesman.

    "About 10 houses were destroyed, all of which fell into one of three categories - they had a
    tunnel, were booby trapped or there was intense gunfire from them."

    The UN dismisses the army's claim. Mr Hansen said Israel had the right


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    curb weapons smuggling but not through widespread destruction of


    civilian

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    homes.

    "I am not enough of a tunnel demolition expert to know whether firing missiles from a helicopter
    is a good way to destroy tunnels, but I would not have thought so," he said.


  6. Are you trying to say they did not run fast enough? If not this (running) is not the place nor would
    any of the other newsgroups you have chosen. Grow up and try some political newsgroups.

    --
    Joseph E. Meehan

    26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

  7. So? What are you going to DO about it? I'm sure the Palestinians REALLY appreciate all this time and
    effort you spent to cut and paste and post and [censored]. You're a real patron saint.

  8. Agreed.....Why don't you go out to the West Bank, Awake and become a human shield. No doubt the
    strength of your (misguided) beliefs will help you stand in the way of the Israeli army bulldozing
    the home of some terrorist who has just deliberately murdered some babies...... .....or
    alternatively, you can hide behind the anonymity of a news-group, and spout your malicious [censored]
    without fear of discovery or harm. ...You big bad, brave boy..you

    "JLeonard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    So? What are you going to DO about it? I'm sure the Palestinians REALLY appreciate all this time
    and effort you spent to cut and paste and post


    and

    Quoted message said:

    [censored]. You're a real patron saint.

  9. (Awake) said:

    Rafah counts its dead as Israeli tanks pull out

    Raid on camp leaves hundreds of Palestinians homeless

    Chris McGreal in Gaza Monday October 13, 2003 The Guardian

    Israeli tanks and bulldozers pulled out of southern Gaza yesterday after one of the most
    destructive raids of the intifada, leaving hundreds of Palestinians without homes and eight dead,
    including two children. The army fought its way into Rafah refugee camp on Thursday night,
    ostensibly in search of tunnels under the border with Egypt which the military said were being used
    to smuggle heavy weaponry such as ground-to-air missiles.

    I find it interesting that no one is [censored] about the wall on the border with Egypt but they're
    screaming about Israel putting up a fence! Hell, obviously Egypt doesn't want anyhting to do with
    the Palestinians or there wouldn't be a wall.

    The way I see it, if these people wish to continue carrying on the way they have been, they
    deserve what they get. Yasser Arafat is an idiot and his beef with Sharon (who is also an idiot)
    is a personal issue. They used to work (politically) together for crying out loud. They would
    both sacrifice their people before they actually agree to resolve to peace.

  10. Yes, Ariel Sharon (the Butcher of Beirut) and his army of baby killers are truly the wicked children
    of Satan, as Jesus Christ tells us in John 8:44. They are all a bunch of liars, thieves, and
    murderers. Not because I say so, but because Jesus Christ said so.

    Remember that quote from Harry Truman's diary that was recently released?

    "The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles,
    Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get
    special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither [censored] nor
    Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."

    Let's see what else the children of Satan are up to:

    Here we see how Israel is out of control. and are planning to attack Iran:
    haaretz.com348730.html

    And what about Israel's weapons of mass destruction? Here's a scary thought: Israel's Nuclear Fleet
    nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    from Jewish judge: nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    Here, the State Department acknowledges existence of Jewish terrorist groups:
    english.pravda.ru11065 conflict.html

    Here, the FBI doesn't Trust Jews Either: wnd.comarticle.asp

    Here, Jews demand coverup of deliberately starving Palestinians:
    mytelus.comarticle.do

    Here, The U.S. Supreme Court: Hypocrites Bow to Jews
    nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    And recently, Dr. Ignatiev (a jew) of Harvard University said this:

    "The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to
    believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists." - Dr. Noel
    Ignatiev; Harvard

    Here, Jews threaten to annihilate Europe with nukes: rense.comesde.htm

    And let's not forget the quote by the Butcher of Beirut himself on October 3rd, 2001:

    "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that. I want to tell you
    something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control
    America, and the Americans know it."

    Just let that sink in - you stupid goyim.

  11. you seem to forget that Jesus Christ WAS a Jew you ignorant Nazi cant

    "Sam Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, Ariel Sharon (the Butcher of Beirut) and his army of baby killers are truly the wicked
    children of Satan, as Jesus Christ tells us in John 8:44. They are all a bunch of liars, thieves,
    and murderers. Not because I say so, but because Jesus Christ said so.

    Remember that quote from Harry Truman's diary that was recently released?

    "The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns,
    Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews
    get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither [censored]
    nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."

    Let's see what else the children of Satan are up to:

    Here we see how Israel is out of control. and are planning to attack Iran:
    haaretz.com348730.html

    And what about Israel's weapons of mass destruction? Here's a scary thought: Israel's Nuclear
    Fleet nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    Quoted message said:

    from Jewish judge: nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    Here, the State Department acknowledges existence of Jewish terrorist groups:
    english.pravda.ru11065 conflict.html

    Here, the FBI doesn't Trust Jews Either: wnd.comarticle.asp

    Here, Jews demand coverup of deliberately starving Palestinians:
    mytelus.comarticle.do

    Here, The U.S. Supreme Court: Hypocrites Bow to Jews
    nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    And recently, Dr. Ignatiev (a jew) of Harvard University said this:

    "The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to
    believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists." - Dr.
    Noel Ignatiev; Harvard

    Here, Jews threaten to annihilate Europe with nukes: rense.comesde.htm

    And let's not forget the quote by the Butcher of Beirut himself on October 3rd, 2001:

    "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that. I want to tell you
    something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people,
    control America, and the Americans know it."

    Just let that sink in - you stupid goyim.

  12. Oh...and by the way, see the [censored] that he quotes from white supremacist drivel. When the day comes,
    you and all of your white trash will be first against the wall. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a true
    Nazi here. How anybody can believe his views is scary. Sam...go and play with your jackboots.
    Blaming Jews for the misfortunes of the world - and your own pathetic inadequacies- are just out of
    fashion. You're 60 years too late. People like you are the basest most common link between us and
    the apes, Your views are so base, blaming everyone else for your inability to get a job/woman etc
    say it all. Get a life and let go of your [censored]

    "Sam Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, Ariel Sharon (the Butcher of Beirut) and his army of baby killers are truly the wicked
    children of Satan, as Jesus Christ tells us in John 8:44. They are all a bunch of liars, thieves,
    and murderers. Not because I say so, but because Jesus Christ said so.

    Remember that quote from Harry Truman's diary that was recently released?

    "The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns,
    Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews
    get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither [censored]
    nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."

    Let's see what else the children of Satan are up to:

    Here we see how Israel is out of control. and are planning to attack Iran:
    haaretz.com348730.html

    And what about Israel's weapons of mass destruction? Here's a scary thought: Israel's Nuclear
    Fleet nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    Quoted message said:

    from Jewish judge: nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    Here, the State Department acknowledges existence of Jewish terrorist groups:
    english.pravda.ru11065 conflict.html

    Here, the FBI doesn't Trust Jews Either: wnd.comarticle.asp

    Here, Jews demand coverup of deliberately starving Palestinians:
    mytelus.comarticle.do

    Here, The U.S. Supreme Court: Hypocrites Bow to Jews
    nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    And recently, Dr. Ignatiev (a jew) of Harvard University said this:

    "The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to
    believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists." - Dr.
    Noel Ignatiev; Harvard

    Here, Jews threaten to annihilate Europe with nukes: rense.comesde.htm

    And let's not forget the quote by the Butcher of Beirut himself on October 3rd, 2001:

    "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that. I want to tell you
    something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people,
    control America, and the Americans know it."

    Just let that sink in - you stupid goyim.

  13. Oh, and how are things at Auschwitz these days, Sam? Sam "Sam Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, Ariel Sharon (the Butcher of Beirut) and his army of baby killers are truly the wicked
    children of Satan, as Jesus Christ tells us in John 8:44. They are all a bunch of liars, thieves,
    and murderers. Not because I say so, but because Jesus Christ said so.

    Remember that quote from Harry Truman's diary that was recently released?

    "The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns,
    Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews
    get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither [censored]
    nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."

    Let's see what else the children of Satan are up to:

    Here we see how Israel is out of control. and are planning to attack Iran:
    haaretz.com348730.html

    And what about Israel's weapons of mass destruction? Here's a scary thought: Israel's Nuclear
    Fleet nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    Quoted message said:

    from Jewish judge: nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    Here, the State Department acknowledges existence of Jewish terrorist groups:
    english.pravda.ru11065 conflict.html

    Here, the FBI doesn't Trust Jews Either: wnd.comarticle.asp

    Here, Jews demand coverup of deliberately starving Palestinians:
    mytelus.comarticle.do

    Here, The U.S. Supreme Court: Hypocrites Bow to Jews
    nationalvanguard.orgstory.php

    And recently, Dr. Ignatiev (a jew) of Harvard University said this:

    "The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to
    believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists." - Dr.
    Noel Ignatiev; Harvard

    Here, Jews threaten to annihilate Europe with nukes: rense.comesde.htm

    And let's not forget the quote by the Butcher of Beirut himself on October 3rd, 2001:

    "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that. I want to tell you
    something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people,
    control America, and the Americans know it."

    Just let that sink in - you stupid goyim.

  14. In article said:

    Bravo!

    "h" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    shame they don't ethnically cleanse you - you [censored]

    "Awake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rafah counts its dead as Israeli tanks pull out

    Raid on camp leaves hundreds of Palestinians homeless

    Gerald, you and 'h' are sick and perverted. Why not peddle your racist [censored] elsewhere.
    Seeing as you are spewing your garbage also into the MB newsgroup. The german expression
    comes to mind, 'try being a Mensch'.

  15. so does the german expression 'raus raus' were your parents and grandparents being mensch's when
    they were wiping out all the gypsies, jews, mentally retarded...etc

    "Guenter Scholz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In article said:

    Bravo!

    "h" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    shame they don't ethnically cleanse you - you [censored]

    "Awake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > Rafah counts its dead as Israeli tanks pull out
    >
    > Raid on camp leaves hundreds of Palestinians homeless
    >

    Gerald, you and 'h' are sick and perverted. Why not peddle your racist [censored] elsewhere. Seeing as
    you are spewing your garbage also into


    the

    Quoted message said:

    MB newsgroup. The german expression comes to mind, 'try being a Mensch'.

  16. h said:


    you seem to forget that Jesus Christ WAS a Jew you ignorant Nazi cant

    You really should stop listening to your "Judeo-Christian" preacher who has to teach Corporate
    Churchianity in order to maintain the church's 501c3 status with the IRS.

    Jesus Christ was NOT a jew.

    The following is a little lengthy, but rest assured, that if you're capable of reading and
    understanding it, you will learn the truth, and the truth will set you free.

    Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Religion?

    The answer is clearly "NO". Jesus had the true religion of the Old Testament, found in the Law and
    the prophets; and He constantly rebuked the Jews for having abandoned this for Judaism under the
    Babylonian Talmud (which in His day was called "The Tradition of the Elders"😉. In Matthew 5:17-18 He
    said "Think not that I come to destroy the Law or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to
    fulfill; for verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no
    wise pass from the Law till all be fulfilled".

    Jesus constantly rebuked the Jews for their apostasy, for setting aside the Laws of God in favor of
    The Tradition of the Elders. This Talmudic Judaism was very different from the religion which we
    find in the Old Testament. The late Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Chief Rabbi of the United States, said
    "The return from Babylon, and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of Hebrewism, and
    the beginning of Judaism". Since the true religion of the Old Testament was the religion of the real
    Hebrews (not Jews), the learned Rabbi was quite right in calling it "Hebrewism" and noting that it
    came to its end when the Talmud was adopted; and that this was the beginning of a new religion -
    Judaism (or Babylonianism).

    Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Race?

    To answer this, we must trace the racial ancestry of both Jesus and the Jews. Jesus Christ was a
    pure-blooded member of the Tribe of Judah - and no true Judahite was a Jew by race, as we shall see.
    Jesus' ancestry is given in both Matthew 1 and Luke 3. Both of them show that He was a descendant of
    the Patriarch Judah, through one of his twin sons, Pharez; by His mother Mary, He came through the
    line of David, and Nathan, the brother of Solomon, as traced in the third chapter of Luke. Jesus
    Christ was therefore a pure-blooded Israelite, of the Tribe of Judah, as Paul says in Romans 9:4-5.

    Now let us trace the racial descent of the Jews. First we must note that the Jews were not - and are
    not - Israelites. Yes, I know that you have been taught that "Jew" and "Israelite" were the same
    thing; but no greater lie was ever taught, as we shall see. Let us get the first proof of this from
    Jesus Christ Himself. He stated plainly in Matthew 15:24: "I am not sent but unto the Lost Sheep of
    the House of Israel". Therefore, He was sent to those who were of Israel - but not to others.
    Accordingly, when He sent His twelve disciples out to preach His gospel, Matthew 10:5-6 records that
    He told them this: Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye
    not; but go rather to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel". And He added: "Ye shall not have gone
    over the cities of Israel till the Son of man be come" (Matthew 10:23). They could have gone over
    all the cities of Judea in a month; so it was obvious that the cities of Israel, to which He
    referred, were the cities of the so-called Lost Tribes who had already entered Europe in their long
    migration. But take careful note of Jesus Christ's own words:" "I am not sent but unto the Lost
    Sheep of the House of Israel". If the Jews were any part of Israel, then they would have been some
    of His sheep; but He says that they are not.

    In the 10th chapter of John, Jesus says: "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of
    mine". But He tells the Jews - and it says "Jews" - "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my
    sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me". Note
    carefully those words. He does not say that the reason that the Jews are not His sheep is that they
    don't believe, and that they could become His sheep just by changing their minds. To the contrary,
    He says that the reason they don't believe is that they are not of His sheep. He knows His sheep,
    and knows that the Jews are not of His sheep.

    Now that we know the Jews are not any part of any Tribe of Israel, let's find out who the Jews are.
    Let's trace their ancestry. We find that the true line of His people must be kept free from
    mongrelization with the neighboring Canaanites. Accordingly, Genesis 24:3-4 records that Abraham,
    took great pains to see that his son, Isaac, should marry only a woman of his own people. Likewise,
    Genesis 27:46 through 28:1 records that Isaac also required that his son, Jacob (the father of the
    Israelites) should also marry only within his own race line. This law had been obeyed for several
    centuries, to keep the race line pure. But one of the sons of Israel, the patriarch Judah, father of
    the Tribe of Judah, violated it by marrying a Canaanite woman, who bore him three sons, of whom only
    one, Shelah, survived and left descendants (see Genesis 38:1-5). This half-breed , mongrel line must
    be distinguished from Judah's pure-blooded descendants by his twin sons Pharez and Zarah. Judah
    fathered Pharez and Zarah by his daughter-in-law Tamar. Although born out of wedlock, they were of
    pure Israel stock on both sides, and from one of them, Pharez, Jesus Christ was descended. The
    descendants of these twins are the real Tribe of Judah.

    The half-breed son, Shelah, accompanied Judah into Egypt, and in the following centuries left many
    descendants. They were in the Exodus, and accompanied the armies of Israel into the promised land
    (see Genesis
    46:12 and Numbers 26:20). However, they bred true to type; they were half-breed Canaanites, lacking
    the spiritual insight which God gave to His own people, so they remained idolators,
    Baal-worshippers. In I Chronicles 4:21, you will find them referred to as "the House of Ashbea".
    "Ashbea" is a corruption of "Ish-baal" or "man of Baal" and shows that they were still idolators,
    unable to perceive the God of Israel. So these Shelanites, half-breeds, formed one of the peoples
    of the land, who made up the Jews in the time of Jesus Christ.

    Another alien racial group who became part of the Jews were the "mixed multitude" which Exodus 12:38
    says left Egypt along with the children of Israel. The Hebrew word here translated "mixed" is the
    word "EREB", meaning half-breed or mongrel. During the two centuries in Egypt, many had violated the
    divine law against race-mixing, and these were the result. On the Exodus, when the going became hard
    in the wilderness, the Bible records that this "mixed multitude" made a lot of trouble, and led some
    of the Israelites into rebellion (see Numbers 11:4-6). This mongrelized group was still in the land
    after the return from the Babylonian captivity; for we find them listed in Nehemiah 13:3 as still in
    the land, and still a source of trouble. They also were among the Jews in Christ's time.

    Then there were the various Canaanite peoples who were still in the land, chief of whom were the
    Jebusites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Perizzites, and the Amorites. When the Israelites were
    trying to enter the Promised Land, God gave them specific instructions to completely drive out or
    exterminate all of these Canaanites, saying: "When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land
    whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the
    Gergashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the
    Jebusites, seven nations mightier and greater than thou; and when the Lord thy God shall deliver
    them before thee: thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them; nor show any mercy unto them … But
    of the cities of these people which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt
    save alive nothing that breatheth; but thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and
    the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as the Lord thy
    God hath commanded thee" (See Numbers
    47:50-56; Deuteronomy 7:1-6; 20:16-18).

    And there were the Edomites. You will remember that Esau and Jacob were twin brothers; but Esau was
    a man of such low character that we have God's own testimony in MalachI 1:2-3: "Was not Esau Jacob's
    brother? Saith the Lord. Yet I loved Jacob, and I hated Esau". Jacob kept the race-line pure, and
    God changed his name to Israel and made him the father of God's own chosen people, Israel. But Esau
    married two Canaanite wives and one Ishmaelite wife, and left only half-breed, mongrel children (see
    Genesis 26:34-35; 27:46; and 36:2). As his mongrel descendants could not marry into the true Semitic
    line, he moved out from among them, and went down to Mount Seir, the rugged range of mountains
    south-east of the Dead Sea, and this land was called "Edom" (or occasionally by the Grecianized form
    of the word "Idumea"😉; thereafter, his descendants were called "Edomites" (see Genesis 33:16 and
    Genesis 36:1-9).

    There they had a long and troublesome history. Esau's grandson was Amalek, father of the Tribe of
    Amalek, who were such an evil lot that, in Exodus 17:14-16, God said that He would have perpetual
    war with Amalek until they were all destroyed. The Edomites constantly harassed the southern portion
    of Israel until King Saul beat them off, about 1087
    B.C. But Saul disobeyed God's command to exterminate them, and for this disobedience, God deposed
    him as king, in favor of David (see I Samuel
    15:1-26). But even David didn't exterminate them, and there was a long history of wars between Edom
    and Israel (later with Judah). You will find it in II Kings, chapters 8 and 14, and II
    Chronicles, chapters 20 and 25. The whole book of Obadiah is devoted to God's condemnation of
    Edom's treacherous attack upon the Kingdom of Judah when Judah was being conquered by Babylon.

    During the Babylonian captivity of Judah, the land lay practically empty; and during this period,
    the people of Edom, partly from opportunity and partly from pressure against them from the east,
    moved into the vacant southern half of the Kingdom of Judah (see article "Edom" in Funk & Wagnall's
    New Standard Bible Dictionary, pages 198-199, and Scribner's Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 1, pages
    644-646. From this new area, they continued to harass the little nation which returned from Babylon.
    By about 142 B.C., the returned exiles of Judah won complete independence under the Maccabean line
    of Kings; and about 120 B.C., John Hyrcanus, one of the Maccabean kings, conquered the Edomites. He
    too, instead of exterminating them, took them into his kingdom, offering them full citizenship if
    they would give up their paganism and adopt the religion of Judaism. This they did, and from 120
    B.C. they were full citizens of the kingdom (see Josephus, "Antiquities of the Jews", Book 13,
    Chapter 9. And see also The Jewish Encyclopedia, article "Edom", Vol. V, page 41).

    By 69 B.C., incompetent leadership and intrigue within the Maccabean monarchy, together with the
    rising power of Rome in western Asia, gave opportunity to Antipater (also called Antipas), an
    Edomite chieftain, founder of the Herodian family, to rise to power. By bribery, boldness, and
    military skill, he gained the favor of Rome, and the Romans made him Procurator (Governor) of
    Judea. His son, Herod I, beginning as Governor of Galilee, used the same methods to secure
    appointment as King of Judea in 40 B.C., and by 37 B.C. he gained complete control of Judea. He
    maintained himself in power by extreme ruthlessness and bribery, for which he taxed the people very
    heavily. This is the same Herod who had all the little male children in Bethlehem murdered, trying
    to murder Jesus Christ.

    His son Herod Archelaus, held the Governorship (the Romans didn't trust him with the crown) for ten
    years of astonishingly evil misrule, from 4
    B.D. to 6 A.D., after which the Romans convicted him of crimes and removed him; and thereafter Judea
    was governed by Roman Procurators (of whom Pontius Pilate was No. 6). Nevertheless, the Romans
    left practically complete power of local government in the hands of the Herodian Edomites, who
    had complete control of the Temple and power to enforce all their local laws. (Remember how
    Pontius Pilate tried to get out of condemning Jesus Christ, telling the Jews: "Take YE Him and
    judge Him according to YOUR law" (John 18:31).

    The Edomite Jews could say that Abraham was an ancestor of theirs, through Esau, as they did in John
    8:33; but this Hebrew blood through Esau had been diluted to the vanishing point by 1700 years of
    marrying only people of Canaanite racial stocks. Therefore, Jesus Christ rebuked them for falsely
    claiming to be still of Abrahamic (therefore inferentially of Israelite) lineage, for He told them
    in John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
    murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he
    speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it".

    By carefully observing the 8th chapter of John, verses 31-47, we learn the following: These were
    Jews to whom Jesus was speaking, and the Bible identifies them as Jews. And in the Jewish
    Encyclopedia, the article on Edom concludes with the words "The Edomites today are found in modern

  17. h said:


    Oh...and by the way, see the [censored] that he quotes from white supremacist drivel. When the day
    comes, you and all of your white trash will be first against the wall.

    Am I wrong? How about, instead of calling me names, you prove me wrong?

    Are you White? If so, do you hate your race?

    Quoted message said:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a true Nazi here. How anybody can believe his views is scary.

    What's scary about the truth? Is it something you're not used to?

    Quoted message said:

    Sam...go and play with your jackboots. Blaming Jews for the misfortunes of the world - and your
    own pathetic inadequacies- are just out of fashion. You're 60 years too late.

    Okay, I won't blame jews. I'll just let them admit it themselves:

    "Jewish history has been tragic to the Jews and no less tragic to the neighboring nations who have
    suffered them. Our major vice of old as of today is parasitism. We are a people of vultures living
    on the labor and good fortune of the rest of the world."
    - Samuel Roth, Jews Must Live, page 18.

    "In everything, we are destroyers--even in the instruments of destruction to which we turn for
    relief...We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do
    will meet our needs and demands."
    - Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, pages 152, 155, and 147.

    "Jew and Gentile are two worlds, between you Gentiles and us Jews there lies an unbridgeable
    gulf...There are two life forces in the world: Jewish and Gentile...I do not believe that this
    primal difference between Gentile and Jew is reconcilable..."
    - Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, page 9.

    Quoted message said:

    People like you are the basest most common link between us and the apes, Your views are so base,
    blaming everyone else for your inability to get a job/woman etc say it all. Get a life and let go
    of your [censored]

    Why, thank you. That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

    So, in return, I'd like to be nice to you...

    It seems you're the type of person who, when you were very young, was oriented toward making
    mud-pies with your own feces and playing with your genitalia, and never developed emotionally beyond
    that stage when you grew up."

    Stop making a FOOL of yourself!

  18. Gerald G. McGeorge said:


    Oh, and how are things at Auschwitz these days, Sam?

    Thank you for asking.

    Apparently you're not familiar with the Leuchter Report.

    Below you'll find the Publisher's comments on the Report, along with a link to read the Leuchter
    Report yourself.

    Remember, the truth will set you free.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    There are few times in history when one document has the potential to shatter such a major
    historical myth and legend as that of the Jewish "Holocaust," the claim that the Germans gassed
    millions of Jews to death in concentration camps in Poland during the Second World War.

    The Leuchter Report is one of those rare and most precious documents. Prepared and written by Fred
    A. Leuchter, a consultant in the United States for the design, construction and maintenance of
    execution gas chambers, the Report sets out the methodology and findings of the first forensic
    investigation of the actual sites in Poland where the gassings are alleged to have occurred.
    Leuchter's conclusion, after inspecting the sites and having samples analyzed by a competent
    laboratory, taken from the walls and floors for total cyanide content, was unambiguous: the alleged
    gas chambers could not have been used, then or now, as execution gas chambers.

    David Irving, the distinguished British historian, has called the Leuchter Report a "shattering"
    document which was instrumental in hardening his belief that the whole of the Holocaust mythology
    was now open to doubt. It is a document which "Holocaust" historians can ignore only at the peril to
    their reputations as objective scholars. After the Leuchter Report, the allegations of genocide
    perpetrated by the Germans against the Jews, using gas chambers as the murder instrument, can no
    longer be upheld.

    zundelsite.orgreport1

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    Norman G. Finkelstein, in his book " The Holocaust Industry", Verso Publishing, 2000, says:

    "Given the nonsense churned out daily by the Holocaust industry, the wonder is that there are so few
    skeptics." -- p. 68

    and:

    "The postwar German government provided compensation to Jews who had been in ghettos or camps. Many
    Jews fabricated their pasts to meet this eligibility requirement." -- p. 81

    and:

    "Indeed, many scholars have cast doubt on the reliability of survivor testimony.....Because
    survivors are now revered as secular saints, one doesn't dare question them. Preposterous statements
    pass without comment." -- p. 82

    and this:

    (mentioning the exaggerated numbers of victims): "Not only does the '6 Million' figure become more
    untenable but the numbers of the Holocaust industry are rapidly approaching those of Holocaust
    deniers." -- p. 127

    And this quote by Israel Shamir should raise your eyebrows:

    "...the Holocaust is not a Jewish religion; it is a religion par excellence for goyim"

    Take the time to educate yourself and visit the Institute for Historical Review at:
    ihr.orgihr.org

    And by all means, stop believing the jewish LIES!

    "I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground [of an alleged Jewish mass grave at
    Babi Yar in the Ukraine] never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood
    spurted from it." - Elie Wiesel ( Paroles d'étranger, Editions du Seuil, 1982, p. 86.)

  19. Sam Hill said:

    And by all means, stop believing the jewish LIES!

    By all means - we should listen to palestinian lies instead. Now get in your Volvo troop carrier,
    and get lost.

    DON'T FEED THE TERRORISTS... Er, trolls...

  20. I don't know Jesus. He's dead.

    "Sam Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    h said:


    you seem to forget that Jesus Christ WAS a Jew you ignorant Nazi cant

    You really should stop listening to your "Judeo-Christian" preacher who has to teach Corporate
    Churchianity in order to maintain the church's 501c3 status with the IRS.

    Jesus Christ was NOT a jew.

    The following is a little lengthy, but rest assured, that if you're capable of reading and
    understanding it, you will learn the truth, and the truth will set you free.

    Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Religion?

    The answer is clearly "NO". Jesus had the true religion of the Old Testament, found in the Law and
    the prophets; and He constantly rebuked the Jews for having abandoned this for Judaism under the
    Babylonian Talmud (which in His day was called "The Tradition of the Elders"😉. In Matthew 5:17-18
    He said "Think not that I come to destroy the Law or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but
    to fulfill; for verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in
    no wise pass from the Law till all be fulfilled".

    Jesus constantly rebuked the Jews for their apostasy, for setting aside the Laws of God in favor
    of The Tradition of the Elders. This Talmudic Judaism was very different from the religion which
    we find in the Old Testament. The late Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Chief Rabbi of the United States,
    said "The return from Babylon, and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of
    Hebrewism, and the beginning of Judaism". Since the true religion of the Old Testament was the
    religion of the real Hebrews (not Jews), the learned Rabbi was quite right in calling it
    "Hebrewism" and noting that it came to its end when the Talmud was adopted; and that this was the
    beginning of a new religion - Judaism (or Babylonianism).

    Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Race?

    To answer this, we must trace the racial ancestry of both Jesus and the Jews. Jesus Christ was a
    pure-blooded member of the Tribe of Judah - and no true Judahite was a Jew by race, as we shall
    see. Jesus' ancestry is given in both Matthew 1 and Luke 3. Both of them show that He was a
    descendant of the Patriarch Judah, through one of his twin sons, Pharez; by His mother Mary, He
    came through the line of David, and Nathan, the brother of Solomon, as traced in the third chapter
    of Luke. Jesus Christ was therefore a pure-blooded Israelite, of the Tribe of Judah, as Paul says
    in Romans 9:4-5.

    Now let us trace the racial descent of the Jews. First we must note that the Jews were not - and
    are not - Israelites. Yes, I know that you have been taught that "Jew" and "Israelite" were the
    same thing; but no greater lie was ever taught, as we shall see. Let us get the first proof of
    this from Jesus Christ Himself. He stated plainly in Matthew 15:24: "I am not sent but unto the
    Lost Sheep of the House of Israel". Therefore, He was sent to those who were of Israel - but not
    to others. Accordingly, when He sent His twelve disciples out to preach His gospel, Matthew 10:5-6
    records that He told them this: Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the
    Samaritans enter ye not; but go rather to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel". And He added:
    "Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the Son of man be come" (Matthew 10:23).
    They could have gone over all the cities of Judea in a month; so it was obvious that the cities of
    Israel, to which He referred, were the cities of the so-called Lost Tribes who had already entered
    Europe in their long migration. But take careful note of Jesus Christ's own words:" "I am not sent
    but unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel". If the Jews were any part of Israel, then they
    would have been some of His sheep; but He says that they are not.

    In the 10th chapter of John, Jesus says: "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known
    of mine". But He tells the Jews - and it says "Jews" - "But ye believe not, because ye are not of
    my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me". Note
    carefully those words. He does not say that the reason that the Jews are not His sheep is that
    they don't believe, and that they could become His sheep just by changing their minds. To the
    contrary, He says that the reason they don't believe is that they are not of His sheep. He knows
    His sheep, and knows that the Jews are not of His sheep.

    Now that we know the Jews are not any part of any Tribe of Israel, let's find out who the Jews
    are. Let's trace their ancestry. We find that the true line of His people must be kept free from
    mongrelization with the neighboring Canaanites. Accordingly, Genesis 24:3-4 records that Abraham,
    took great pains to see that his son, Isaac, should marry only a woman of his own people.
    Likewise, Genesis 27:46 through 28:1 records that Isaac also required that his son, Jacob (the
    father of the Israelites) should also marry only within his own race line. This law had been
    obeyed for several centuries, to keep the race line pure. But one of the sons of Israel, the
    patriarch Judah, father of the Tribe of Judah, violated it by marrying a Canaanite woman, who bore
    him three sons, of whom only one, Shelah, survived and left descendants (see Genesis 38:1-5). This
    half-breed , mongrel line must be distinguished from Judah's pure-blooded descendants by his twin
    sons Pharez and Zarah. Judah fathered Pharez and Zarah by his daughter-in-law Tamar. Although born
    out of wedlock, they were of pure Israel stock on both sides, and from one of them, Pharez, Jesus
    Christ was descended. The descendants of these twins are the real Tribe of Judah.

    The half-breed son, Shelah, accompanied Judah into Egypt, and in the following centuries left many
    descendants. They were in the Exodus, and accompanied the armies of Israel into the promised land
    (see Genesis
    46:12 and Numbers 26:20). However, they bred true to type; they were half-breed Canaanites,
    lacking the spiritual insight which God gave to His own people, so they remained idolators,
    Baal-worshippers. In I Chronicles 4:21, you will find them referred to as "the House of
    Ashbea". "Ashbea" is a corruption of "Ish-baal" or "man of Baal" and shows that they were still
    idolators, unable to perceive the God of Israel. So these Shelanites, half-breeds, formed one
    of the peoples of the land, who made up the Jews in the time of Jesus Christ.

    Another alien racial group who became part of the Jews were the "mixed multitude" which Exodus
    12:38 says left Egypt along with the children of Israel. The Hebrew word here translated "mixed"
    is the word "EREB", meaning half-breed or mongrel. During the two centuries in Egypt, many had
    violated the divine law against race-mixing, and these were the result. On the Exodus, when the
    going became hard in the wilderness, the Bible records that this "mixed multitude" made a lot of
    trouble, and led some of the Israelites into rebellion (see Numbers 11:4-6). This mongrelized
    group was still in the land after the return from the Babylonian captivity; for we find them
    listed in Nehemiah 13:3 as still in the land, and still a source of trouble. They also were among
    the Jews in Christ's time.

    Then there were the various Canaanite peoples who were still in the land, chief of whom were the
    Jebusites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Perizzites, and the Amorites. When the Israelites were
    trying to enter the Promised Land, God gave them specific instructions to completely drive out or
    exterminate all of these Canaanites, saying: "When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land
    whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and
    the Gergashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and
    the Jebusites, seven nations mightier and greater than thou; and when the Lord thy God shall
    deliver them before thee: thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them; nor show any mercy unto
    them . But of the cities of these people which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance,
    thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth; but thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the
    Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as
    the Lord thy God hath commanded thee" (See Numbers
    33:50-56; Deuteronomy 7:1-6; 20:16-18).

    And there were the Edomites. You will remember that Esau and Jacob were twin brothers; but Esau
    was a man of such low character that we have God's own testimony in MalachI 1:2-3: "Was not Esau
    Jacob's brother? Saith the Lord. Yet I loved Jacob, and I hated Esau". Jacob kept the race-line
    pure, and God changed his name to Israel and made him the father of God's own chosen people,
    Israel. But Esau married two Canaanite wives and one Ishmaelite wife, and left only half-breed,
    mongrel children (see Genesis 26:34-35; 27:46; and 36:2). As his mongrel descendants could not
    marry into the true Semitic line, he moved out from among them, and went down to Mount Seir, the
    rugged range of mountains south-east of the Dead Sea, and this land was called "Edom" (or
    occasionally by the Grecianized form of the word "Idumea"😉; thereafter, his descendants were
    called "Edomites" (see Genesis 33:16 and Genesis 36:1-9).

    There they had a long and troublesome history. Esau's grandson was Amalek, father of the Tribe of
    Amalek, who were such an evil lot that, in Exodus 17:14-16, God said that He would have perpetual
    war with Amalek until they were all destroyed. The Edomites constantly harassed the southern
    portion of Israel until King Saul beat them off, about 1087
    B.C. But Saul disobeyed God's command to exterminate them, and for this disobedience, God deposed
    him as king, in favor of David (see I Samuel
    15:1-26). But even David didn't exterminate them, and there was a long history of wars between
    Edom and Israel (later with Judah). You will find it in II Kings, chapters 8 and 14, and II
    Chronicles, chapters 20 and 25. The whole book of Obadiah is devoted to God's condemnation of
    Edom's treacherous attack upon the Kingdom of Judah when Judah was being conquered by Babylon.

    During the Babylonian captivity of Judah, the land lay practically empty; and during this period,
    the people of Edom, partly from opportunity and partly from pressure against them from the east,
    moved into the vacant southern half of the Kingdom of Judah (see article "Edom" in Funk &
    Wagnall's New Standard Bible Dictionary, pages 198-199, and Scribner's Dictionary of the Bible,
    Vol. 1, pages 644-646. From this new area, they continued to harass the little nation which
    returned from Babylon. By about 142 B.C., the returned exiles of Judah won complete independence
    under the Maccabean line of Kings; and about 120 B.C., John Hyrcanus, one of the Maccabean kings,
    conquered the Edomites. He too, instead of exterminating them, took them into his kingdom,
    offering them full citizenship if they would give up their paganism and adopt the religion of
    Judaism. This they did, and from 120 B.C. they were full citizens of the kingdom (see Josephus,
    "Antiquities of the Jews", Book 13, Chapter 9. And see also The Jewish Encyclopedia, article
    "Edom", Vol. V, page 41).

    By 69 B.C., incompetent leadership and intrigue within the Maccabean monarchy, together with the
    rising power of Rome in western Asia, gave opportunity to Antipater (also called Antipas), an
    Edomite chieftain, founder of the Herodian family, to rise to power. By bribery, boldness, and
    military skill, he gained the favor of Rome, and the Romans made him Procurator (Governor) of
    Judea. His son, Herod I, beginning as Governor of Galilee, used the same methods to secure
    appointment as King of Judea in 40 B.C., and by 37 B.C. he gained complete control of Judea. He
    maintained himself in power by extreme ruthlessness and bribery, for which he taxed the people
    very heavily. This is the same Herod who had all the little male children in Bethlehem murdered,
    trying to murder Jesus Christ.

    His son Herod Archelaus, held the Governorship (the Romans didn't trust him with the crown) for
    ten years of astonishingly evil misrule, from 4
    B.C. to 6 A.D., after which the Romans convicted him of crimes and removed him; and thereafter
    Judea was governed by Roman Procurators (of whom Pontius Pilate was No. 6). Nevertheless, the
    Romans left practically complete power of local government in the hands of the Herodian
    Edomites, who had complete control of the Temple and power to enforce all their local laws.
    (Remember how Pontius Pilate tried to get out of condemning Jesus Christ, telling the Jews:
    "Take YE Him and judge Him according to YOUR law" (John 18:31).

    The Edomite Jews could say that Abraham was an ancestor of theirs, through Esau, as they did in
    John 8:33; but this Hebrew blood through Esau had been diluted to the vanishing point by 1700
    years of marrying only people of Canaanite racial stocks. Therefore, Jesus Christ rebuked them for
    falsely claiming to be still of Abrahamic (therefore inferentially of Israelite) lineage, for He
    told them in John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
    He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in
    him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it".

    By carefully observing the 8th chapter of John, verses 31-47, we learn the following: These were
    Jews to whom Jesus was speaking, and the Bible identifies them as Jews. And in the Jewish
    Encyclopedia, the article on Edom concludes with the words "The Edomites today are found in modern

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