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  1. There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's
    the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to
    absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right,
    something unheard of in Europe), the reckless talk on the phone, the
    driving of monster vehicles with raised bumpers that can kill above the
    protection area of any other car, the insurance companies that fail to
    make those guilty ones pay for every loss they cause, and so many other
    areas in which the government and organizations such as Mothers Against
    Drunk Drivers are totally indifferent.

    In the meantime the jungle continues out there...

    "It's No Accident: The Real Story Behind Senseless Death and Injury on
    Our Roads"
    by Lisa Lewis

    Description:
    For more than 30 years, the government has been ramming cars into walls
    in an effort to make car crashes safe. The public has been conditioned
    to believe that seatbelts, airbags and more "crashworthy" vehicles are
    the best ways to protect us from harm on the roads. Meanwhile, the most
    basic strategies to deter dangerous driving and prevent crashes have
    been ignored. "It's No Accident" provides a rare glimpse into how the
    government got seduced by the promise of "safe crashing." It then
    examines the major factors involved in crashes today, including
    speeding, aggressive driving, distractions (e.g. cell phones) and
    drowsy driving. The author reveals that many dangerous behaviors are
    now promoted by businesses, and that drivers who kill often walk away
    with just a small fine. This expose is a must-read for anyone concerned
    about what's happening on our roads and how to stop it.

    Reviews:
    Interesting ...
    2 Dec 2005 (updated 15 Dec 2005)
    by John
    This book is a very nuanced discussion of the problems of road safety.
    The author challenges the government, the insurance industry, the auto
    industry, the media, the motorists, and even Mothers Against Drunk
    Driving to defend the outrageous and immoral behavior that we're seeing
    on the roads today -- and the degree to which they are contributing to
    it. It is a no-holds barred expose that reveals the hard truths about
    behaviors and policies that put innocent people at risk on the roads.

    Right on Target [ No Rating ] 10 Jan 2006
    by falconer
    I ordered three books from the vendor and
    requested that my order be mailed by federal express (it was a cost of
    $14.00). They indicated that I would receive the books on the following
    Tuesday and I did. I was pleased with the service. I would like to
    compliment you for a book that is well written. I have not looked at
    car safety as much from the crash prevention but from crash mitigation.
    You are so on target. The book needs to be read by many, I am trying to
    encourage everyone I know to read it. I have about
    twenty pages left. I can feel your frustration....... and I really
    agreed at how you look at MADD it is not only drinking but it is
    speed,following too close and of course those cell phones users. I will
    be sending your organization more money by the end of the week ( I made
    a pledge of 50.00)./ MADD should listen to all of the accidents
    included fatal ones that happen everyday in the morning as people are
    going to work.........

    http://www.lulu.com/content/186268

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  2. That's right, what passes for safety these days is nothing more than
    accident survival.

    The emphisis needs to return to accident prevention and the enforcement of
    lane integrity laws.

  3. donquijote1954 said:

    (passing on the right, something unheard of in Europe)

    Funny, I thought the UK was in Europe.

    --
    Jim

  4. BE said:

    That's right, what passes for safety these days is nothing more than
    accident survival.

    The emphisis needs to return to accident prevention and the enforcement of
    lane integrity laws.

    ANd we can put that emphisis on just AFTER we get rid of the SPAMMERs
    such as the original poster who is just flogging his books.

  5. On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's
    the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to
    absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right,
    something unheard of in Europe),

    There

    is

    nothing

    wrong

    with

    passing

    on

    the

    right.

    Period.

    I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe does
    is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago here
    when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other things that
    included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the SL -
    10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB.

    Dave Head

  6. Dave Head said:

    On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's
    the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to
    absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right,
    something unheard of in Europe),

    There

    is

    nothing

    wrong

    with

    passing

    on

    the

    right.

    Period.

    Sure there is. In an environment where people are used to others
    driving correctly (i.e. not the USA,) they're not expecting to be passed
    on the right. Doing something that other drivers don't expect increases
    risk, however slightly.

    Quoted message said:


    I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe does
    is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago here
    when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other things that
    included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the SL -
    10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB.

    Dave Head

    The correct solution is to not have left exits and to enforce lane
    discipline laws, and then this discussion will be irrelevant.

    nate

    --
    replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
    http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

  7. Dave Head said:

    On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's
    the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to
    absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right,
    something unheard of in Europe),

    There

    is

    nothing

    wrong

    with

    passing

    on

    the

    right.

    Period.

    Most highways in North America have signs that say "Slower traffic keep right" seems to inidicate that we should pass on the Left.


    Bg

  8. "Nate Nagel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dave Head said:

    On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954"
    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's
    the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to
    absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right,
    something unheard of in Europe),

    There is

    nothing

    wrong

    with

    passing

    on

    the right.

    Period.

    Sure there is. In an environment where people are used to others driving
    correctly (i.e. not the USA,) they're not expecting to be passed on the
    right. Doing something that other drivers don't expect increases risk,
    however slightly.

    Quoted message said:


    I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe
    does
    is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago
    here
    when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other
    things that
    included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the
    SL -
    10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB. Dave Head

    The correct solution is to not have left exits and to enforce lane
    discipline laws, and then this discussion will be irrelevant.

    nate

    --
    replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
    http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

    Go drive down the Eisenhower I-290 between 1st and Austin and tell me that
    again.

    I don't have to. I've done it many times. I've got off at both Austin and
    Harlem and also got ON at both streets, and they are both off and ON on the
    left. And as far as I know, we still drive on the Right side of the road
    here.

    Charles of Schaumburg.

  9. donquijote1954 said:

    There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's
    the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to
    absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right,
    something unheard of in Europe)

    Call-sign of the LLB: criticism of "passing on the right".

  10. n5hsr said:

    "Nate Nagel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dave Head said:

    On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954"
    <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's
    >the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to
    >absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right,
    >something unheard of in Europe),

    There is

    nothing

    wrong

    with

    passing

    on

    the right.

    Period.

    Sure there is. In an environment where people are used to others driving
    correctly (i.e. not the USA,) they're not expecting to be passed on the
    right. Doing something that other drivers don't expect increases risk,
    however slightly.

    Quoted message said:


    I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe
    does
    is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago
    here
    when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other
    things that
    included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the
    SL -
    10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB. Dave Head

    The correct solution is to not have left exits and to enforce lane
    discipline laws, and then this discussion will be irrelevant.

    nate

    --
    replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
    http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

    Go drive down the Eisenhower I-290 between 1st and Austin and tell me that
    again.

    I don't have to. I've done it many times. I've got off at both Austin and
    Harlem and also got ON at both streets, and they are both off and ON on the
    left. And as far as I know, we still drive on the Right side of the road
    here.

    Whoever designed the Ike/Harlem [1] interchange should be committed.
    Entering the Ike when the traffic is heavy but moving fast (daytime,
    off rush hour) is a gamble - put your foot down and hope there is an
    opening in traffic before the merging lane ends.

    [1]
    <http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=10&Z=16&X=2166&Y=23180&W=2&qs=harlem%7criver+forest%7cil%7c&Addr=N+Harlem+Ave%2c+River+Forest%2c+IL+60305&ALon=-87.8055720&ALat=41.9034257>.

    --
    Tom "Ex FIB" Sherman - Here, not there.

  11. "Nate Nagel" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    The correct solution is to not have left exits and to enforce lane
    discipline laws, and then this discussion will be irrelevant.

    Gee, if only the world were perfect...but it isn't, and never will be; which
    means that such arguments will remain relevant for the foreseeable
    future...or until whenever humanity becomes extinct.

  12. donquijote1954 said:


    Description:
    For more than 30 years, the government has been ramming cars into walls
    in an effort to make car crashes safe. The public has been conditioned
    to believe that seatbelts, airbags and more "crashworthy" vehicles are
    the best ways to protect us from harm on the roads. Meanwhile, the most
    basic strategies to deter dangerous driving and prevent crashes have
    been ignored. "It's No Accident" provides a rare glimpse into how the
    government got seduced by the promise of "safe crashing." It then
    examines the major factors involved in crashes today, including
    speeding, aggressive driving, distractions (e.g. cell phones) and
    drowsy driving. The author reveals that many dangerous behaviors are
    now promoted by businesses, and that drivers who kill often walk away
    with just a small fine. This expose is a must-read for anyone concerned
    about what's happening on our roads and how to stop it.

    Yes indeed, the automotive industy encourages reckless driving because
    they make a fortune off replacing all the cars totalled in crashes
    every year. And the media is paid to go along with it by carrying all
    these sick commercials that glorify speeding and by referring to all
    crashes as accidents.

    The highway murder problem is the biggest crime problem in america and
    the most correctable Stop coddling these deadly speeders and DUIs and
    phone-drivers.

  13. BE said:

    That's right, what passes for safety these days is nothing more than
    accident survival.

    The emphisis needs to return to accident prevention and the enforcement of
    lane integrity laws.

    Lane integrity laws.?? HAHAHA. What about the deadly speeders and
    drunk drivers, you nitwit??

  14. P.Roehling said:

    "Nate Nagel" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    The correct solution is to not have left exits and to enforce lane
    discipline laws, and then this discussion will be irrelevant.

    Gee, if only the world were perfect...but it isn't, and never will be; which
    means that such arguments will remain relevant for the foreseeable
    future...or until whenever humanity becomes extinct.

    you make it sound like I'm suggesting something outlandish; I'm not.
    Currently the DC beltway is having several interchanges rebuilt and
    I believe that the long term plan is to eliminate left exits. So at
    least some highway engineers and urban planners agree with me. My other
    suggestion was to enforce an existing law. What's so radical about that?

    nate

    --
    replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
    http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

  15. "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    BE said:

    That's right, what passes for safety these days is nothing more than
    accident survival.

    The emphisis needs to return to accident prevention and the enforcement of
    lane integrity laws.

    Lane integrity laws.?? HAHAHA. What about the deadly speeders and
    drunk drivers, you nitwit??

    Yeah. Here in Illinois, you're supposed to use a signal when changing
    lanes. That's been a law since 1965 and they still don't do it on average
    up here.

    Or the law about turning your lights on when using your wipers. That's been
    a law since 1990.

    Or the law about doing more than 20 over the limit is a felony. If that's
    so, then 99.999% of the drivers on the TriState Tollway are felons, because
    the average speed most of the time is nearer 80 than 55. I've seen some
    days when it hit closer to 90, and even the right lane is going 75-80.

    Charles of Schaumburg

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    Go drive down the Eisenhower I-290 between 1st and Austin and tell me that
    again.

    I don't have to. I've done it many times. I've got off at both Austin and
    Harlem and also got ON at both streets, and they are both off and ON on the
    left. And as far as I know, we still drive on the Right side of the road
    here.

    There's a lot of history behind those left-hand exits, and IDOT would really
    like to make them go away.

    But why is this is rec.BICYCLES.misc? r.b.soc, maybe, but only if we start
    discussing whether bikes should be allowed on the Ike (CM's little stunt a few
    years back should provide fodder).

    --

    __o Kristian Zoerhoff
    _'\(,_ [email hidden]
    (_)/ (_)

  17. Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS said:

    Lane integrity laws.??

    That's right.

    You see, enforcing lane discipline and eliminating tailgating in the
    States would demonstrate that highway speed limits are largely
    unneccesary -- but the cops and politicians don't want that. After all,
    safer highways mean less revenue for the government. Instead, they
    allow unskilled nincompoops in 6,000-pound SUVs to drive like the
    inattentive morons they are, nabbing them in droves for going 5-over at
    $150 a pop. Easy money.

    Any number of studies and stats can be googled that show how in areas
    where highway speed limits are higher, per-capita fatalities are LOWER.
    Germany, Italy, and (until recently) Montana are all good examples,
    just for starters.

    Tim Kreitz
    2003 ZX7R
    2000 ZX6R
    http://www.timkreitz.com

  18. Kristian M Zoerhoff said:

    But why is this is rec.BICYCLES.misc? r.b.soc, maybe, but only if we start
    discussing whether bikes should be allowed on the Ike (CM's little stunt a few
    years back should provide fodder).

    It's only in r.b.m because the OP was spamming his book.

    Austin

  19. On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:13:39 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are

    MURDERERS said:

    Stop coddling these deadly speeders and DUIs and phone-drivers.

    Yea, and make stepping on the brakes in the merge lanes a felony. You
    can't merge on a highway with your foot on the brake!

  20. n5hsr said:


    Or the law about doing more than 20 over the limit is a felony. If that's
    so, then 99.999% of the drivers on the TriState Tollway are felons, because
    the average speed most of the time is nearer 80 than 55. I've seen some
    days when it hit closer to 90, and even the right lane is going 75-80.

    Charles of Schaumburg

    I don't believe there is any such law, though i'd love to see it. You
    got a link?

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