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Re: Finally getting traction against the Adventure Pass (Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Act)

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  1. G.T. said:

    http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/opinions/ci_4345154

    "Judge Pyle said the USFS often ignores restrictions in the law which
    prohibit charging fees for '1) solely parking; 2) general access; 3)
    dispersed areas; 4) traveling without using facilities or services; 5)
    camping at undeveloped sites; 6) overlooks or scenic pullouts ...' On
    Page 14, the judge wrote: 'Clearly Congress intended that the public
    have free access to undeveloped federal lands for purposes of
    recreation, including hiking.'"

    About time. Don't buy Adventure Passes or Northwest Forest Passes or
    whatever the equivalent is in your town. If you get a NON, fight it or
    send it to your congressperson. It's illegal for the USFS to charge
    fees for access to undeveloped federal lands.

    Greg

    Cool, but one question: what [exactly] does "undeveloped" mean? I.E., can
    they slap a park bench and bathroom on the property and now call it
    developed.
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    Slack

  2. Slack said:
    G.T. said:

    http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/opinions/ci_4345154

    "Judge Pyle said the USFS often ignores restrictions in the law which
    prohibit charging fees for '1) solely parking; 2) general access; 3)
    dispersed areas; 4) traveling without using facilities or services;
    5) camping at undeveloped sites; 6) overlooks or scenic pullouts ...'
    On Page 14, the judge wrote: 'Clearly Congress intended that the
    public have free access to undeveloped federal lands for purposes of
    recreation, including hiking.'"

    About time. Don't buy Adventure Passes or Northwest Forest Passes or
    whatever the equivalent is in your town. If you get a NON, fight it
    or send it to your congressperson. It's illegal for the USFS to
    charge fees for access to undeveloped federal lands.

    Greg

    Cool, but one question: what [exactly] does "undeveloped" mean? I.E.,
    can they slap a park bench and bathroom on the property and now call
    it developed.

    Probably. I don't mind paying to park at a trailhead that has an actual
    parking lot, bathrooms, trashcan, and maybe water and picnic tables,
    just like I don't mind paying to camp in a campground with the above. I
    do mind paying to park on the side of the highway to eat a sandwich or
    take a picture.

    Greg

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    Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

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