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  1. does anyone know what the measurements for a hunter cycles frame that
    would fit a 36" wheelset... thanks for the help

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  2. Ducttape said:

    does anyone know what the measurements for a hunter cycles frame that
    would fit a 36" wheelset... thanks for the help

    Lessee.... you want to copy a hunter frame, but you don't want even to
    buy one to make the measurements yourself? And the people who support
    Rick for his many years of service to the unicycle community infest
    this forum.... 🙁

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  3. I don't have the money.... and I have a guy willing to quote
    construction of a titanium unicycle frame, I just need drawings and
    measurements.... I'm sorry..... 🙁

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  4. step one: buy coker wheel
    step two: figure out your own dimensions

    it's not difficult

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  5. onetrack said:

    step one: buy coker wheel
    step two: figure out your own dimensions

    it's not difficult

    It' is when you are lazy and Broke....

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  6. If I were you I'd wait until I had a whole lot of money before beginning
    a project like this. It'd probably be best to start off with cheap
    components, then if you really need to upgrade do it.

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  7. Here's an idea for a Coker frame: 'The Krashin Kenny Kustom Koker'
    (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37531)

    Easier to make than the Hunter style design. You can probably find a
    suitable magnesium fork crown, add on the titanium tubing and you've
    got yourself a Custom Coker frame. Easy measurements for the tubing
    and minimal forming and welding.

    It's not an ideal frame design because the crown will be a little wider
    than necessary. If you're short, or if you have stocky legs, your
    thighs may rub on the crown. So it all depends.

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  8. john_childs said:

    Here's an idea for a Coker frame: The Krashin Kenny Kustom Koker.
    Easier to make than the Hunter style design.

    Easier to make, and it doesn't rip off IP from someone who actually
    designs and builds these things for a living, and who has been
    investing in the unicycling community for longer than anyone else
    currently building stuff for us.

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  9. Ducttape said:

    I don't have the money.... and I have a guy willing to quote
    construction of a titanium unicycle frame, I just need drawings and
    measurements.... I'm sorry..... 🙁

    If the guy is custom building something, there's two problems you'll
    come up against.

    Firstly, it'll cost you more than hunter unicycles, because they've
    already got the jigs and stuff setup to make unicycle frames and they
    don't need clever titanium welding gear etc. I know when Joe Rowing
    made Blizzard unicycle frames, which are similar in style to the Hunter
    ones, he wasn't making masses of profit from the £200/$400 per frame
    price, given the time it took to make them up. If he'd got those made
    at normal workshop prices it'd have been twice as much.

    Secondly, you can't just copy a design made in one material and make it
    in another. It might just not work, and then you'd have wasted hundreds
    of dollars on a piece of junk. When you buy a professional frame,
    you're also paying in part for the ten prototypes that got junked
    because they didn't quite work, whereas if you get custom work done,
    you end up paying in full for any screwups.

    The stock coker frame only costs $30. The raw materials for a coker
    frame probably cost about that much. Get one of those. Or if you've got
    a bit more money, wait for the new hunter style coker frames from
    unicycle.com.

    If you're too poor to buy a hunter frame, then you don't have enough
    money to get people quoting you for custom frames. Even people on here
    who've had simple Nimbus 2 style frames custom made for them seem to
    have spent more than the cost of the hunter frames.

    Joe

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  10. I don't know that Duct Tape is being unreasonable... It's not really
    like Hunter would be losing anything, is it? I mean, he's not going to
    sell Duct Tape a frame anyway by the sound of it (because he can't
    afford one). And it's not like Duct Tape is going to go into mass
    production and sell loads...

    Presumably Rick himself studied other frames before designing his own?
    And there's one or two other makes which are using Rick's design. The
    main benefit of a Hunter frame is surely the craftsmanship and maybe
    the possibility for customisation. Unlike "pure" intellectual property
    (such as software, music), physical goods made by a craftsman are
    involved here so the situation is not the same as other forms of
    "copying".

    I'm not necessarily saying that copying is right here, but it's not
    like Duct Tape is actually proposing anything that would seem to harm
    Rick in any way. I vaguely remember somebody claiming Rick actually
    helped him out in making his own Hunter-style frame, but I don't know
    the details.

    For the record, I'm all for Rick being able to continue to make an
    effective business out of making high quality frames. I'm just
    speculating that imitation in this case is more flattery than threat.

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  11. I'm all with you Mark!

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  12. While everyone's accusing each other of copying...
    Which came first, the Hunter or the Rowing/Blizzard?
    Very similar designs.

    Rob

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  13. rob.northcott said:

    While everyone's accusing each other of copying...
    Which came first, the Hunter or the Rowing/Blizzard?
    Very similar designs.

    Rob

    The Hunter by far.

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  14. rob.northcott said:

    Which came first, the Hunter or the Rowing/Blizzard?
    Very similar designs.

    telford

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  15. rob.northcott said:

    While everyone's accusing each other of copying...
    Which came first, the Hunter or the Rowing/Blizzard?
    Very similar designs.

    Rob

    The Telford may have come before the Hunter. I'm not sure who came up
    with the idea of using two smaller tubes for the frame rather than one
    larger tube. I've seen Penny-Farthings with that style of frame (two
    smaller tubes forming a triangle instead of one large tube). Unicycles
    may not have been first to come up with that general idea.

    The Telford:

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  16. john_childs said:

    The Telford may have come before the Hunter. I'm not sure who came up
    with the idea of using two smaller tubes for the frame rather than one
    larger tube. I've seen Penny-Farthings with that style of frame (two
    smaller tubes forming a triangle instead of one large tube). Unicycles
    may not have been first to come up with that general idea.

    The Telford:

    The Telford resembles the Hunter frame only insofar as they both use
    paired fork tubes. Other than that there's really no resemblance.

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  17. The Telford and the Hunter were designed pretty much independently.
    Bruce Bundy worked with Rick Hunter and Geoff Telford Faraghan did the
    Telford himself. The first prototypes were ready the same month (Dec
    1997) although one was a few days before the other and I forgot which
    was which. I remember riding both before they were powder coated and
    thinking "How cool is this?" Who knew then what was coming over the
    next few years. Actually the best thing for me was the 24x3 tires
    rather than the frames. Also the improvements in seats, first the
    Gemcrest carbon bases and later the Wallis seats and handles - I think
    that was a bigger deal than the frames too. And of course going with
    Profile instead of those crappy hubs we broke all the time.

    Good luck to Ducttape - you'll need it doing a custom unicycle on a
    budget. Let us know how it comes out.

    ---Nathan

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  18. nathan said:

    The Telford and the Hunter were designed pretty much independently.
    Bruce Bundy worked with Rick Hunter and Geoff Telford Faraghan did the
    Telford himself. The first prototypes were ready the same month (Dec
    1997) although one was a few days before the other and I forgot which
    was which. I remember riding both before they were powder coated and
    thinking "How cool is this?" Who knew then what was coming over the
    next few years. Actually the best thing for me was the 24x3 tires
    rather than the frames. Also the improvements in seats, first the
    Gemcrest carbon bases and later the Wallis seats and handles - I think
    that was a bigger deal than the frames too. And of course going with
    Profile instead of those crappy hubs we broke all the time.

    Good luck to Ducttape - you'll need it doing a custom unicycle on a
    budget. Let us know how it comes out.

    ---Nathan

    thanks for the wish of luck I've got a while before I can start of the
    whole unicycle I am budgeting for it to cost around a total of 1,200,
    but I'll start when I have about 1,500 in my bank acount so I have some
    wiggle room, I am only a third of the way there. I have been working on
    some sketches for my frame but I don't have any workable ideas yet, I
    will post sketches when I get one that I think will work I would love
    feedback....

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  19. Ducttape said:

    the whole unicycle I am budgeting for it to cost around a total of
    1,200, but I'll start when I have about 1,500 in my bank acount so I
    have some wiggle room, I am only a third of the way there.

    Nathan's post makes me think I ended up being harsh, and I'm sorry for
    that. However, given that you're seriously considering spending this
    much money, it's not unreasonable to play a little "hardball" with you
    so that you don't just pour it down the drain.

    If you wanted to build your own complete 36" uni using all good-quality
    but basic, easily-found available parts (examples: hub, spokes, rim,
    clamp, etc) including a commercially available, proven steel frame
    (say, Hunter), you might be able to do a pretty good job for $1500 if
    you have a machine shop buddy or skills plus shop access. This is for
    good-quality stuff (no "placeholder" parts) and assumes that your
    skills are pretty good. Of course, your costs will vary with choice of
    parts, brakes or not, etc.

    Why not do this instead of the Ti thing? If you dropped the $1500 on a
    Ti frame alone you might not even get a frame that is usable. In the
    process of doing a complete uni with steel frame, you'll learn a heck
    of a lot about the nitty, gritty, ugly details of trying to do
    something which seems so simple on the outside. You also have a much
    better chance of ending up with something you can actually Ride with
    Pride and say "I did it!". You'll also have a more solid base for
    Titanium Excitement.

    Do some searches here in the forum and you'll find Andrew Carter's, Rod
    Wylie's, and other people's experiences with this kind of thing.

    In one sense, one can think of a unicycle frame as a structure which
    ties together the more important elements of wheel, pedals, saddle.
    You really ought to know a lot more about those things before you can
    design a frame from scratch, let alone get a Ti one right the very
    first time. If you don't have a wheel or saddle that you are confident
    deserve to be integrated with a custom Ti frame, then you're not likely
    to develop a frame that will somehow match something that somehow comes
    along in the future.

    Basically, your skills, tools, insight, budget, and unicycle components
    should be of roughly the same caliber. As the caliber of each of these
    improves, your ability to produce a complete unicycle will improve. If
    you are lacking in any of these areas, then your project will suffer
    and be brought down to the level of the lowest caliber item.

    Best to you in your endeavors.

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  20. Two years ago I made a costum 36" frame. The design was inspired by the
    penny farthings the people who helped me make. There is a page about it
    in German. The pictures tell it all.
    http://www.wuk.at/hochrad/berichte/einrad_hans.php
    A construction drawing of the frame is here (DXF)
    http://www.wuk.at/hochrad/berichte/bilder/einrad.dxf

    The measures in the drawing are accurate, they worked well. I used the
    frame for about one and a half years. The frame was first class. I made
    the hub myself too. It was not good enough. In the end I converted the
    uni to a 36" Schlumpf.

    Hans

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