Ksyriums

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Hi

I am from Aus and i have a pair of Kysrium elites 2003 and a guy from the states told me if i
bought sscsl rims and spokes i could use the Elite hubs

Is this true.......?????

Webby

No. The SL spokes are aluminum, and about 3 times the cross sectional area as your steel ones.

off topic but how is "ksyrium" pronounced?

kye-seri-um?

or is there something silent?

cheers

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"colnago" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Hi

I am from Aus and i have a pair of Kysrium elites 2003 and a guy from

the

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states told me if i bought sscsl rims and spokes i could use the Elite

hubs

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Is this true.......?????

Webby

No. The SL spokes are aluminum, and about 3 times the cross sectional area as your steel ones.

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off topic but how is "ksyrium" pronounced?

kye-seri-um?

or is there something silent?

Silent K, "sear-e-um". Kseriously!

Tim McTeague

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off topic but how is "ksyrium" pronounced?

kye-seri-um?

or is there something silent?

my own pronunciation has always been "ksherium".

based on nothing but "it feels right". also i have a slight lithp.

hg

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off topic but how is "ksyrium" pronounced?

kye-seri-um?

or is there something silent?

Dear Me (?),

This is the ugliest question that I've stumbled across on rec.bicycles.tech.

Ksyrium? Ks-? What the hell? Nothing starts ks-!

Kye-seri-um? (Your guess, as good as any.)

Seri-um? (Another poster's guess, but the ingenious silent -k- doesn't seem right. Kshit!)

Kuh-sheer-ium? (What a third post may suggest with "ksherium," but the -sh- seems unjustified.)

Kuh-sear-i-um? (The ubiquitous schwa rules--when in doubt, insert -uhhhh- wherever it helps.)

A Google search for "kysrium" and "pronounc*" finds nothing. Other limiting words (like "means"😉
didn't limit enough to be worth pursuing. The Mavic web site seems reticent.

I'm tempted to dismiss it as yet a new level in hideous marketing babble, but then M. Ksyrium who
lives in Paris will demand satisfaction for my slur upon his family name.

The silly thing looks like an effort to suggest "K-Series" or some pseudo-scientific element like
Unobtainium. Or maybe since Sora is said to mean "sky" in Japanese, "ksy" is a 3-letter anagram for
"sky"? Or maybe it's supposed to hint vaguely at Elysium?

It's Muirsyk spelled backwards, which at least looks like a name.

If you shift the 3 letters like HAL to IBM, KSY is LTZ one way and JRX the other--meaningless unless
you stretch JRX to calling Mavic jerks.

Ultegra was bad enough, but no tongue-twister. How the devil are we supposed to order, much less
ride, wheels that we can't pronounce?

I feel dim-witted often enough without bicycle wheels doing this to me. Someone at Mavic is laughing
at us and ksnows the answer.

Carl Fogel

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off topic but how is "ksyrium" pronounced?

kye-seri-um?

or is there something silent?

[snip]

Dear Me (?),

This is the ugliest question that I've stumbled across on rec.bicycles.tech.

Ksyrium?

Ks-?

What the hell? Nothing starts ks-!

Kye-seri-um? (Your guess, as good as any.)

Seri-um? (Another poster's guess, but the ingenious silent -k- doesn't seem right. Kshit!)

Kuh-sheer-ium? (What a third post may suggest with "ksherium," but the -sh- seems unjustified.)

Kuh-sear-i-um? (The ubiquitous schwa rules--when in doubt, insert -uhhhh- wherever it helps.)

A Google search for "kysrium" and "pronounc*" finds nothing. Other limiting words (like "means"😉
didn't limit enough to be worth pursuing. The Mavic web site seems reticent.

I'm tempted to dismiss it as yet a new level in hideous marketing babble, but then M. Ksyrium who
lives in Paris will demand satisfaction for my slur upon his family name.

The silly thing looks like an effort to suggest "K-Series" or some pseudo-scientific element like
Unobtainium. Or maybe since Sora is said to mean "sky" in Japanese, "ksy" is a 3-letter anagram for
"sky"? Or maybe it's supposed to hint vaguely at Elysium?

It's Muirsyk spelled backwards, which at least looks like a name.

If you shift the 3 letters like HAL to IBM, KSY is LTZ one way and JRX the other--meaningless unless
you stretch JRX to calling Mavic jerks.

Ultegra was bad enough, but no tongue-twister. How the devil are we supposed to order, much less
ride, wheels that we can't pronounce?

I feel dim-witted often enough without bicycle wheels doing this to me. Someone at Mavic is laughing
at us and ksnows the answer.

Carl Fogel

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off topic but how is "ksyrium" pronounced?

kye-seri-um?

or is there something silent?

[snip]

Dear Me (?),

This is the ugliest question that I've stumbled across on rec.bicycles.tech.

Ksyrium?

Ks-?

What the hell? Nothing starts ks-!

Kye-seri-um? (Your guess, as good as any.)

Seri-um? (Another poster's guess, but the ingenious silent -k- doesn't seem right. Kshit!)

Kuh-sheer-ium? (What a third post may suggest with "ksherium," but the -sh- seems unjustified.)

Kuh-sear-i-um? (The ubiquitous schwa rules--when in doubt, insert -uhhhh- wherever it helps.)

A Google search for "kysrium" and "pronounc*" finds nothing. Other limiting words (like "means"😉
didn't limit enough to be worth pursuing. The Mavic web site seems reticent.

I'm tempted to dismiss it as yet a new level in hideous marketing babble, but then M. Ksyrium who
lives in Paris will demand satisfaction for my slur upon his family name.

The silly thing looks like an effort to suggest "K-Series" or some pseudo-scientific element like
Unobtainium. Or maybe since Sora is said to mean "sky" in Japanese, "ksy" is a 3-letter anagram for
"sky"? Or maybe it's supposed to hint vaguely at Elysium?

It's Muirsyk spelled backwards, which at least looks like a name.

If you shift the 3 letters like HAL to IBM, KSY is LTZ one way and JRX the other--meaningless unless
you stretch JRX to calling Mavic jerks.

Ultegra was bad enough, but no tongue-twister. How the devil are we supposed to order, much less
ride, wheels that we can't pronounce?

I feel dim-witted often enough without bicycle wheels doing this to me. Someone at Mavic is laughing
at us and ksnows the answer.

Carl Fogel

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off topic but how is "ksyrium" pronounced?

kye-seri-um?

or is there something silent?

[snip]

Dear Me (?),

Dear Carl,

many thanks for your three excellent contributions.

Shame they were all identical...

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Due to financial constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off.

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[email hidden] (Carl Fogel) writes:

Dear Carl,

many thanks for your three excellent contributions.

Shame they were all identical...

Dear Simon,

It's embarrassing. Something went wrong on October 12th with either me, my ISP, or--God forbid!--the
newsgroup. I'd post my drivel in the usual way, a whopping thousand bytes or so of text, and the
internet would just sit and think about it. Apparently, the post would be accepted (low standards
hereabouts), but I'd never get the normal confirmation. This happened repeatedly.

So in addition to the usual justified complaints, I can now be accused of a mega-stutter or perhaps
internet hiccups. By late Sunday night, I'd noticed a few other posters suffering from the same
problem. Curiously, an otherwise blameless thread begun by Claire Petersky ("Critique Requested"😉
seems to have bifurcated on the same day, now appearing twice with the first 30 or so posts
identical.

Time to see now if a post praising Chalo on custom frames stayed singular.

Carl Fogel

P.S. I couldn't find any way to kill the horrible duplicates. The forum seems to offer only the
option to nuke everything archived under an old email address.

P.P. No, that is not an acceptable approach.

kcool,

kthanks

"Tim McTeague" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Me said:

off topic but how is "ksyrium" pronounced?

kye-seri-um?

or is there something silent?

Silent K, "sear-e-um". Kseriously!

Tim McTeague

Carl Fogel said:

P.S. I couldn't find any way to kill the horrible duplicates. The forum seems to offer only the
option to nuke everything archived under an old email address.

That wouldn't do any good, obviously, since removing them from Google's archive does not
emit cancels.
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David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

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Carl Fogel said:

P.S. I couldn't find any way to kill the horrible duplicates. The forum seems to offer only the
option to nuke everything archived under an old email address.

That wouldn't do any good, obviously, since removing them from Google's archive does not emit
cancels.

Dear David,

You're right, but think of posterity!

More seriously, I still long for some way to cancel a doubled post, even though I know that allowing
deletions would throw the forum into chaos.

Stupid computer, do what I want, not what I tell you to do!

Carl Fogel

Carl Fogel said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]>:

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Carl Fogel said:

P.S. I couldn't find any way to kill the horrible duplicates. The forum seems to offer only the
option to nuke everything archived under an old email address.

That wouldn't do any good, obviously, since removing them from Google's archive does not emit
cancels.

More seriously, I still long for some way to cancel a doubled post, even though I know that
allowing deletions would throw the forum into chaos.

Are you aware that;
1) This is not a "forum", "board", "area", or anything else like that. This is a Usenet newsgroup.
2) Google Groups is simply one of a great many news servers that carry the group.
3) There are cancel messages, which are honoured by many news servers. ?
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David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

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Are you aware that;

1) This is not a "forum", "board", "area", or anything else like that. This is a Usenet newsgroup.
2) Google Groups is simply one of a great many news servers that carry the group.
3) There are cancel messages, which are honoured by many news servers. ?

Dear David,

1) Nope.
2) Uh-uh.
3) Strike three! I'm out!

Why is something almost devoid of news called a newsgroup?

I'm guessing that you are distinguishing the hideous entities 'twixt your quote-marks (singular,
self-contained, and utterly infra-dig) from our glorious virtual whatever-it-is (redundantly stored
or available through more channels).

But I bet that you can give a better explanation of the difference and that it would be worth
reading. (Rhetorical questions aren't much help unless everyone already knows the answers.)

As I recall, you're using a trn3 newsreader from a Linux system. Can you double-post a reply here,
explaining how you'll cancel one copy? I couldn't see a way to do this when things went haywire last
Sunday from my aged Windows system through however I'm connecting.

True, it may be obvious to the meanest intelligence, but remember all the yokels like me in your
audience. Think of the annoyance it might save you if you gave us an example of how to cancel
mistaken posts. Even if your method doesn't apply to our systems, at least we'd be inspired to look
further into the matter.

Carl Fogel

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Carl Fogel <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Why is something almost devoid of news called a newsgroup?

If a train station is where trains stop, what is a workstation?

Touche!

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But I bet that you can give a better explanation of the difference and that it would be worth
reading.

Usenet is distributed between very many servers; a given server has a number of relationships with
other servers who compare notes with it on which articles (based on the unique (we hope)
Message-ID) they possess and exchange them as needed.

Google run a news server that is unusual in two respects; it has a Web interface for posting and
reading, and it does not ordinarily expire old articles.

I win my bet--thanks for the explanation. Posts on the Google news server seem to stretch back to
the crack of doom, which I find delightful. Am I right to infer that other servers lack the space,
patience, or interest to keep the old posts as long and ruthlessly delete them when they're past
some freshness date?

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As I recall, you're using a trn3 newsreader from a Linux system. Can you double-post a reply
here, explaining how you'll cancel one copy?

No, I could not. Owing to a local oddity, I cannot cancel or supersede (like a cancel, but with a
replacement article) using the single keystroke commands in the newsreader; I must manually
construct cancels or supersedes when I want to use them. This is equivalent to knowing how to
forge them in order to cancel or supersede the articles of others, and while this is not
complicated I think it is best to leave people to work that one out for themselves. In any case
knowing the single keystroke I would use would not be of any use to you.

From what Simon says elsewhere in this thread, I'm guessing that this might have something to do
with differences between trn3 and emacs? He mentions a cancel command whose straightforwardness is
balanced by its unpredictable results.

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[Simon is correct that many news servers no longer honour cancels, but many do; and Supersedes is
still quite widely honoured - which is just as well given the frequent use Brandt makes of it.]

I'm fascinated. Elsewhere in this thread, Simon mentions strike-over letters indicating cancelling
or perhaps superseding on his system's display.

If some servers will cancel, does this mean that posts vanish from some servers, but are still
visible on others? Do they vanish without a trace on the obliging servers, or is there a
no-longer-available message? Do you have an address for anyone's recently cancelled post for
exploring this business?

And what about this supersede business? Is it just a cancel that's contingent on posting a
replacement as part of the process? Or is it an editing of the original? That is, how does it differ
from an ordinary second post? Again, I'd love to have an example to peek at.

Thanks,

Carl Fogel

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Carl Fogel wrote:

> More seriously, I still long for some way to cancel a doubled post, even though I know that
> allowing deletions would throw the forum into chaos.

Usenet does allow cancellation of a post by the writer.

I've done it and I've noticed at least one other (from Jobst). The header then appears in
strikethrough letters (in my display, at least).

Dear Andrew,

Aha! This deviltry is possible, but what incantation do you use? Unlike Hotspur, I believe that
you and Jobst Brandt and David Damerell elsewhere in this thread can call spirits from the vasty
deep to delete your doubled posts.

In less Shakespearean terms, how'd ya do it? I need my cloak for to go invisible.

Carl Fogel

Well, in Emacs, choose the 'Post' menu, select 'Cancel article', done. But

(a) Emacs is Generally Not Used Except by Middle Aged Computer Scientists, and

(b) As I seppafore, most servers these days don't honour cancels.

Dear Simon,

Drat! I already need some kind of oops button--I just posted a reply to David Damerell elsewhere in
this thread (he's explaining some of the ins and outs of cancel and supersede) and I blithely
confused your post with poor Andrew Muzi.

Off to say sorry to Andrew, who must be wondering why I can't keep people straight in my enthusiasm.

Carl Fogel

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Long live TIN, emacs and UNIX!

You use Emacs with TIN rather than Emacs's built-in newsreader, Gnus? How come? I don't have the
capacity to compile a version of TIN for Mac OS X 10.1.5, so I haven't been able to try it. I've had
the opportunity to try slrn which is pretty good, but currently am vacillating between Emacs/Gnus
and MT-NewWatcher. Emacs/Gnus is far more configurable for personal preference than any software I
have ever seen...

Tim McNamara said:

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Long live TIN, emacs and UNIX!

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You use Emacs with TIN rather than Emacs's built-in newsreader, Gnus? How come? I don't have the
capacity to compile a version of TIN for Mac OS X 10.1.5, so I haven't been able to try it. I've
had the opportunity to try slrn which is pretty good, but currently am vacillating between
Emacs/Gnus and MT-NewWatcher. Emacs/Gnus is far more configurable for personal preference than any
software I have ever seen...

My ISP - SONIC.NET just put up the latest version of TIN and it works like a charm. I haven't used
the built in newsreader, having used TIN and before that more primitive readers with great facility.
I doubt that emacs has all the features that TIN offers or TIN wouldn't be there. At least that
seems logical to me because either emacs or vi or other UNIX editor is needed to work efficiently in
TIN. Mailing articles automatically fetches my mailreader MUTT.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

Tim McNamara said:

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Long live TIN, emacs and UNIX!

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You use Emacs with TIN rather than Emacs's built-in newsreader, Gnus? How come?

Oh, by the way, those who post here using emacs should make use of the ESC-q function more often for
cleaning up paragraphs. I am often told by users that thy do not know about ESC-q and the legibility
of some postings give evidence of not using it.

If you like filled lines, use ESC-1 ESC-q.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]