WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair 😉
Seriously, though, that is pathetic.
Nys explained his glamorous performance after the race: "Yesterday (in Dottignies) I was already very good. When I came to Ruddervoorde I knew I would be good as well. I've been sleeping in my special room which simulates a high altitude. I'm competing near my maximum now and apparently my race speed is just too high for the other riders ... I'm eager for some races with mud as they should fit me even more!"
On 16 Oct 2006 11:25:53 -0700, "jerry in vermont" <[email hidden]>
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from cyclingnews.com.
WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair 😉
Seriously, though, that is pathetic.
Nys explained his glamorous performance after the race: "Yesterday (in Dottignies) I was already very good. When I came to Ruddervoorde I knew I would be good as well. I've been sleeping in my special room which simulates a high altitude. I'm competing near my maximum now and apparently my race speed is just too high for the other riders ... I'm eager for some races with mud as they should fit me even more!"
Sure he could let up and still win. But how much can he ease off and keep winning like he does? He doesn't know and he's afraid to find out.
WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair 😉
Seriously, though, that is pathetic.
It's not pathetic. It's the way it's done. I'd be dissapointed if a top rider who had the means to use an altitude tent (or at least altitude training) didn't do it. That's the point of top sport -- to go all out to be the best. -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com ****************************
WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair 😉
Seriously, though, that is pathetic.
It's not pathetic. It's the way it's done. I'd be dissapointed if a top rider who had the means to use an altitude tent (or at least altitude training) didn't do it. That's the point of top sport -- to go all out to be the best.
Well said John. I have no idea what point Jerry in Vermont is trying to make.
WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford.
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Dumbass -
They're not that expensive. Most Masters Fatties could get one by trading in a tricked out bike.
And, if one really wants to get frugal, you can make your own, for not that much $$$$. Just do a little searching on the pumps they use to separate oxygen from air. Pump the oxygen depleted air into the tent, the oxygen back into the room. Monitor the oxygen level and use non-airtight zippers on the tent to keep it safe. The tent manufacturers don't really "manufacture" anything - they just take someone else's parts and assemble them for a different application.
I forgot though. Most bike racers are too stupid to execute a high school level science project. Nevermind.
I don't know either, but cyclingnews.com (not that dumbass J. Jones knows anything either) is going w/ Nys.
Back on topic: the search to go with is: molecular sieve. About 5 years ago the pumps could be had for around $1000 and the other stuff might add another $500. In cyclingnews' Superprestige #1 coverage, Nys (sp?) talks about his altitude room. That's about as easy as a tent. Just caulk up all the baseboard, use weatherstripping on the windows along with the interior door. Pump air through the molecular sieve, pump the oxygen out the room, the depleted air into the room. Monitor the oxygen levels for safety - that's the hardest part is making the pump automatically shut off if the levels get too low, but it's child's play for an electrical engineer.
And yes, jerry in vermont is an idiot, but what do you expect? He worships bike racers.
WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair 😉
Seriously, though, that is pathetic.
Why? A competitive personality doesn't stop trying to get better, and, last time I checked, cycling hadn't gone socialist. On the Fairness Aggregate Transgression Scale (FATS) this ranks about 0.
why? cause having an O2 tent means you have also got a doctor on staff to monitor you blood levels, and then of course you are getting your blood checked regularly, and on and on.
That's [censored]. Guys who live in Colorado don't have to go into the clinic every week.
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But with cross only a couple can afford that level, so its going to widen the gap that the UCI is trying to close,
That is also [censored]. Buying a tent is about as expensive as buying a nice, new, state of the art bike and as I've posted elsewhere in this thread it only costs about $1500 to make your own.
why? cause having an O2 tent means you have also got a doctor on staff to monitor you blood levels, and then of course you are getting your blood checked regularly, and on and on.
cyclocross has not really been about the drugs, and seems to be lagging behind road in all this big money drug business, and has been more about specializing and hard work.
Right, just ask Mario De Clercq.
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I dont want to start THAT discussion, and for those who "dont know what point" I am trying to make, its that this is the start of the end. Its niave to say anyone at THAT level (ie UCI, tested, etc) can just run out and buy a tent, and so its cheap. The tent is part and parcel with the medical program. You cant just go letting your HCT run rampant can you. And once you have the tent, and the blood doctor, and the desire, its A SLIPPERY SLOPE of rationalization that leads from there.
People who know about altitude tents (like Shaun Wallace and Coggan) have posted here before about the effects. They are not that large. I don't know if they are even a couple of points of HCT. When GBShaun sells an altitude tent, he doesn't sell you a doctor too. Does every bike racer living in Boulder or doing altitude camps in the mountains (Colorado, the Alps, wherever) do regular HCT testing?
The top crossers might all have staff doctors and get their HCT checked and be on programs, but the fact that Nijs has a tent is not a sign of that increasing (or decreasing).
cyclocross has not really been about the drugs, and seems to be lagging behind road in all this big money drug business, and has been
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about specializing and hard work.
Right, just ask Mario De Clercq.
guess you also missed the part where I said i know it happens, didnt say it doesnt/hasnt. thanks though.
What initially set me off is the Nijs Nys Nees whatever has repeatedly spouted off about how him winning too much is bad for the sport, and IIRC even made the connection from that to his income potential, etc. Yet he goes to the trouble of dealing with altitude tents for a minimal gain.
1. I dont think doping is that "pervasive" in cross, or MTB for that matter, or domestic pro racing either, at this point.
Dumbass -
You've got your head up your ass.
Google Danny De Bie or Jerome Chiotti. The emotional "rewards" are the same in 'cross and MTB as they are for road cycling and the same in North America as they are in Europe. The decision to use drugs is mostly an emotional decision.
