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OT: Armstrong's post marathon comments

nobody · 2006-11-05T21:04:25+00:00

From Yahoo news: "Now's not the time to ask that question. The answer now is no, I'll never be back. But I reserve the right to change my mind," he said. "I don't know how these guys do it." Odd to hear him say this. Sure marathoning requires training, but it's not -that- hard at ~7 min/mile pace, even for non-athletes. If you're an athlete and have good cardio, it shouldn't be that difficult to train up if you love to run and don't have insurmountable biomechanical problems. In his case, he's totally free to train on his own schedule, and has access to all sorts of experts and running partners. In fact it's -more- fun than cycling in many ways. For one thing you get the runner's high quicker. Interestingly Lance mentions not being able to find 'the Zone' yet in his running and as he says "talk to himself", but heck, he's only been doing it for a year at most. He's got the money to put down a 2-3 mile running path on his property somewhere using state-of-the art surfacing. Right now he's coming off as a bit of a whiner, though I give him high props for keeping up with training.

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nobody
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5 November 2006, 21:04 UTC #1

From Yahoo news:
"Now's not the time to ask that question. The answer now is no, I'll never
be back. But I reserve the right to change my mind," he said. "I don't know
how these guys do it."
Odd to hear him say this. Sure marathoning requires training, but it's not
-that- hard at ~7 min/mile pace, even for non-athletes.
If you're an athlete and have good cardio, it shouldn't be that difficult
to train up if you love to run and don't have insurmountable biomechanical
problems. In his case, he's totally free to train on his own schedule, and
has access to all sorts of experts and running partners.
In fact it's -more- fun than cycling in many ways. For one thing you get
the runner's high quicker. Interestingly Lance mentions not being able to
find 'the Zone' yet in his running and as he says "talk to himself", but
heck, he's only been doing it for a year at most.
He's got the money to put down a 2-3 mile running path on his property
somewhere using state-of-the art surfacing. Right now he's coming off as a
bit of a whiner, though I give him high props for keeping up with training.

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Simon Brooke
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5 November 2006, 21:19 UTC #2

in message <[email hidden]>, nobody
(') said:
In fact it's -more- fun than cycling in many ways.
Bollocks. I wouldn't run a mile if you paid me, I'm too lazy. But I'll
happily ride a hundred miles and still come back for more. Cycling's fast,
elegant, exciting, fun; running's just pound, pound, pound [Galahad: Open
the Door! Open the Door!] pound, pound, pound [Galahad: In the name of
King Arthur, open the door!] pound, pound, pound [Zoot: Welcome, gentle
Sir Knight. Welcome to the Castle Anthrax!]
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For one thing you get
the runner's high quicker. Interestingly Lance mentions not being able to
find 'the Zone' yet in his running and as he says "talk to himself", but
heck, he's only been doing it for a year at most.
He was a triathlete before he was a pro cyclist. He's been doing it for at
least twelve years, although it's possible he hasn't been doing a great
deal of running in the last eight.
--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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nobody
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5 November 2006, 22:47 UTC #3

On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 21:19:53 +0000, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
in message <[email hidden]>, nobody
(') said:
In fact it's -more- fun than cycling in many ways.
Bollocks. I wouldn't run a mile if you paid me, I'm too lazy.
Of all the recreational things I've done running was the most fun, after
downhill skiing, in a visceral sense.
Quoted message said:
Cycling's fast, elegant, exciting, fun;
No argument there. As long as I can get on the bike, I'll never stop
cycling.

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RicodJour
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5 November 2006, 22:51 UTC #4

Simon Brooke said:
in message <[email hidden]>, nobody
(') said:
In fact it's -more- fun than cycling in many ways.
Bollocks. I wouldn't run a mile if you paid me, I'm too lazy. But I'll
happily ride a hundred miles and still come back for more.
I'm with you. Running is what you do when you're in an unfamiliar
neighborhood and being chased.
R

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K-Paws
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6 November 2006, 00:15 UTC #5

"nobody" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In fact it's -more- fun than cycling in many ways.
Uhh, no. No it isn't. It's [censored] boring in every sense of the word boring.
Have you been using mood enhancing drugs whilst running or something? If
running was the only source of exercise I would just get fat and forget
about it.

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timeOday
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6 November 2006, 00:54 UTC #6

And you missed the more juicy quotes:
<http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/11/05/bc.run.nycmarathon.arms.ap/index.html?cnn=yes>
No Alpine climb on his bicycle had ever been as tough as Sunday's New
York City Marathon, he said.
"For the level of condition that I have now, that was without a doubt
the hardest physical thing I have ever done," said Armstrong, who
finished 856th.

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nobody
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6 November 2006, 01:15 UTC #7

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:15:37 -0000, "K-Paws" <[email hidden]>
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"nobody" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In fact it's -more- fun than cycling in many ways.
Uhh, no. No it isn't. It's [censored] boring in every sense of the word boring.
Have you been using mood enhancing drugs whilst running or something? If
running was the only source of exercise I would just get fat and forget
about it.
Go run a hilly 10 miler in under 80 min, and tell me how you feel. Pretty
elated, I'd guess.
Go ride a 30 miler in under two hours. How do you feel? Not too excited.
Heck ride a 50 miler in under 2.5 hours. Still not -that- exciting, though
fun while you're doing it.
I'm not trying to convert cyclists to running. They're both great. But I
don't get the highs with riding I did with running hard courses. <shrug>

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Jack Hollis
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6 November 2006, 01:55 UTC #8

timeOday said:
"For the level of condition that I have now, that was without a doubt
the hardest physical thing I have ever done," said Armstrong, who
finished 856th.
You could see that on his face.

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Jack Hollis
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6 November 2006, 02:05 UTC #9

nobody said:
I'm not trying to convert cyclists to running. They're both great. But I
don't get the highs with riding I did with running hard courses. <shrug>
I agree. The physical cost of running eventually led to me taking up
the bike, but I can't say that I ever got the high from a bike that I
did from running.
One factor is that you have to pay more attention when your on a bike
because of traffic and the possibility of a bad fall. When you run,
your mind can wander. In addition, as Lance found out, running is a
lot harder on the body and probably releases more endorphins.

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nobody
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6 November 2006, 02:17 UTC #10

Jack Hollis said:
timeOday said:
"For the level of condition that I have now, that was without a doubt
the hardest physical thing I have ever done," said Armstrong, who
finished 856th.
You could see that on his face.
I think part of that was the shin splints. I thought I saw him limping and
thought I spied his right lower leg taped up.
Thing is, if you train correctly, marathoning isn't that painful. Remember,
you're not chasing breakaways or trying to maintain 400 watts up a
mountain. I think besides the possible splints, he'd just forgotten how
hard cycling was - or maybe he'd grown used to that 'type' of pain.

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Carl Sundquist
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6 November 2006, 03:04 UTC #11

"Jack Hollis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
nobody said:
I'm not trying to convert cyclists to running. They're both great. But I
don't get the highs with riding I did with running hard courses. <shrug>
I agree. The physical cost of running eventually led to me taking up
the bike, but I can't say that I ever got the high from a bike that I
did from running.
One factor is that you have to pay more attention when your on a bike
because of traffic and the possibility of a bad fall. When you run,
your mind can wander. In addition, as Lance found out, running is a
lot harder on the body and probably releases more endorphins.
That's the step I can't get to: letting my mind wander. I can do it on the
bike, but running is still a task.

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6 November 2006, 08:01 UTC #12

nobody said:
Go run a hilly 10 miler in under 80 min, and tell me how you feel. Pretty
elated, I'd guess.
dumbass,
how does it compare to taking a big [censored] ?

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Simon Brooke
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6 November 2006, 08:13 UTC #13

in message <[email hidden]>, nobody
(') said:
I'm not trying to convert cyclists to running. They're both great. But I
don't get the highs with riding I did with running hard courses. <shrug>
So there you are. Nobody prefers running to cycling. Just as I thought.
--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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RonSonic
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6 November 2006, 13:51 UTC #14

nobody said:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:15:37 -0000, "K-Paws" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:

"nobody" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

In fact it's -more- fun than cycling in many ways.
Uhh, no. No it isn't. It's [censored] boring in every sense of the word boring.
Have you been using mood enhancing drugs whilst running or something? If
running was the only source of exercise I would just get fat and forget
about it.
Go run a hilly 10 miler in under 80 min, and tell me how you feel. Pretty
elated, I'd guess.
Go ride a 30 miler in under two hours. How do you feel? Not too excited.
Heck ride a 50 miler in under 2.5 hours. Still not -that- exciting, though
fun while you're doing it.
Get off the road. Go ride a twisty singletrack 20miles in under 2 hours and you
will have had a blast and great afterward. Thirty miles in two hours on the road
is not vigorous enough to feel anything.
Ron

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RonSonic
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6 November 2006, 13:52 UTC #15

nobody said:
Jack Hollis said:
timeOday said:
"For the level of condition that I have now, that was without a doubt
the hardest physical thing I have ever done," said Armstrong, who
finished 856th.
You could see that on his face.
I think part of that was the shin splints. I thought I saw him limping and
thought I spied his right lower leg taped up.
Thing is, if you train correctly, marathoning isn't that painful. Remember,
you're not chasing breakaways or trying to maintain 400 watts up a
mountain. I think besides the possible splints, he'd just forgotten how
hard cycling was - or maybe he'd grown used to that 'type' of pain.
Shin splints are their own unique sort of hell. Thank the merciful God that you
don't get them on a bike.
Ron

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gds
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6 November 2006, 16:14 UTC #16

The way he looked kind of reminded me of the look on Michael Jordan's
face when he struck out.

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Mike Jacoubowsky
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6 November 2006, 17:37 UTC #17

Quoted message said:
Get off the road. Go ride a twisty singletrack 20miles in under 2 hours
and you
will have had a blast and great afterward. Thirty miles in two hours on
the road
is not vigorous enough to feel anything.
You need to show up for our Tuesday/Thursday-morning ride then. 30 miles
(from my house; only 26 roundtrip from the meeting point) with 3300ft of
climbing, 4 designated sprints, and few chances to catch a breath. Toss in
the fact that it's year-round no-matter-what, so you get maybe 4 or 5 "epic"
rides in nasty conditions (well, as nasty as anything gets in Northern
California anyway). Of course, if it took two hours, someone's really
dogging it.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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nobody said:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:15:37 -0000, "K-Paws" <[email hidden]>
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"nobody" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In fact it's -more- fun than cycling in many ways.
>
Uhh, no. No it isn't. It's [censored] boring in every sense of the word boring.
Have you been using mood enhancing drugs whilst running or something? If
running was the only source of exercise I would just get fat and forget
about it.
Go run a hilly 10 miler in under 80 min, and tell me how you feel. Pretty
elated, I'd guess.
Go ride a 30 miler in under two hours. How do you feel? Not too excited.
Heck ride a 50 miler in under 2.5 hours. Still not -that- exciting, though
fun while you're doing it.
Get off the road. Go ride a twisty singletrack 20miles in under 2 hours
and you
will have had a blast and great afterward. Thirty miles in two hours on
the road
is not vigorous enough to feel anything.
Ron

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Email address hidden
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6 November 2006, 23:07 UTC #18

nobody said:
Thing is, if you train correctly, marathoning isn't that painful. Remember,
you're not chasing breakaways or trying to maintain 400 watts up a
mountain. I think besides the possible splints, he'd just forgotten how
hard cycling was - or maybe he'd grown used to that 'type' of pain.
Geez, you really are trying hard to find something to discredit
Armstrong with.
Besides, if you train correctly, NOTHING is all that painful. BFD.
Fred

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John Forrest Tomlinson
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6 November 2006, 23:13 UTC #19

I've been running this fall, looking for a way to get a quick workout
without having to consciously push as hard as would be needed on the
bike.
It took six weeks of short easy runs but now I'm at the point where i
can run for 40 minute or a little more moderately vigorously. It's
different than being on the bike, and not as much fun for me as a good
ride, but about as good as a going-through-the-motions ride.
That said, I'm not sure Armstrong's comments about how hard the
marathon is are fair. Sure, a marathon sounds very hard and I don;t
think I could complete one, but that's due to the problems from the
pounding and not having time to prepare for that. But I think if
Armstrong did it right, and didn't start the thing with shin splits,
it should have been easy for him to do 3:00.
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nobody
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6 November 2006, 23:49 UTC #20

Quoted message said:

nobody said:
Thing is, if you train correctly, marathoning isn't that painful. Remember,
you're not chasing breakaways or trying to maintain 400 watts up a
mountain. I think besides the possible splints, he'd just forgotten how
hard cycling was - or maybe he'd grown used to that 'type' of pain.
Geez, you really are trying hard to find something to discredit
Armstrong with.
Actually I'm just musing on why he might have had difficulty. Though I'm
critical of LA, I'm actually a big fan of his.
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Besides, if you train correctly, NOTHING is all that painful. BFD.
To be clear, if you train properly running a marathon at 7min per mile
isn't (necessarily) that painful. The majority of people with no
biomechanical problems find that a nice pace. I'm a big guy, no runner and
I ran a half-marathon at 7:20 pace and it was extremely fun, probably the
most enjoyable endurance even I've ever done. Yeah, I had to run into the
woods and get sick at 11 miles, but other than that. ;-)
Cycling (as well as running at 5min/mile pace) is always going to be
painful. Remember Lemond's quote - it hurts the same, you just ride faster.
Quoted message said:

Fred

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