Bike ride

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Myself and a friend are going to be doing a London to Paris cycle ride
in June next year and were in the process of raising money for our
chosen charity - Leukaemia CARE.

Tell us more about this ride. Bear in mind that a proportion of this group
(not me :-) ) does 200+ mile rides for fun.

Also see http://www.sheldonbrown.com/thons.html

cheers,
clive

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Hi,

Rather than post a link just to the homepage, I'll link to the actual
details.

Myself and a friend are going to be doing a London to Paris cycle ride
in June next year and were in the process of raising money for our
chosen charity - Leukaemia CARE.

Could you tell us please what proportion of the proceeds of your worthy
venture will go to the charity, and what proportion will go towards the
administration and organisation of your journey?

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Could you tell us please what proportion of the proceeds of your worthy
venture will go to the charity, and what proportion will go towards the
administration and organisation of your journey?

I asked that question last you you posted this spam and I don't think you
responded...
Peter

Mike the Unimaginative said:

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Quoted message said:

Myself and a friend are going to be doing a London to Paris cycle ride
in June next year and were in the process of raising money for our
chosen charity - Leukaemia CARE.

Could you tell us please what proportion of the proceeds of your worthy
venture will go to the charity, and what proportion will go towards the
administration and organisation of your journey?

This question quite rightly often gets asked, but answers are not often
forthcoming [1]
Is there a proportion that would be deemed acceptable?

1:10, 1:5, 1:2 ?

[1] I hope they are this time.

John B

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This question quite rightly often gets asked, but answers are not often
forthcoming [1]

I'll try and help. See

http://www.doitforcharity.com/

Lots of places to do this ride on those days for many charities. (Although I
don't see the charity mentioned at a quick glance). Seems to be a £99
registration fee, plus you must raise at least £1100.

Jc.

Josey said:

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Quoted message said:

This question quite rightly often gets asked, but answers are not
often forthcoming [1]

I'll try and help. See

http://www.doitforcharity.com/

Lots of places to do this ride on those days for many charities.
(Although I don't see the charity mentioned at a quick glance). Seems
to be a £99 registration fee, plus you must raise at least £1100.

Doesn't answer the question.

The question is what proportion of the £1100+ raised ends up in the hands of
the charity.

Or, what amount is removed to pay for a supported cycling holiday.

Reading the website, the holiday appears to be five days, and at least 4
nights accomodation in three star hotels, a return Eurostar ticket, outbound
ferry ticket, food, mechanical support, medical support, (presumably) bike
transport back to UK. I think that holiday will cost more than £99.

Oh, and you must have won a cycle helmet. (at least that's what the site
says, their copy editing is suspect).

( I have a friend who regularly rides a similar trip. He is scrupulous in
separating the trip costs, which he pays himself. Any donations go 100% to
the charity, and he encourages donations to go via tax-efficient
thods. )

- Nigel

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Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

Nigel Cliffe said:

( I have a friend who regularly rides a similar trip. He is scrupulous in
separating the trip costs, which he pays himself. Any donations go 100% to
the charity, and he encourages donations to go via tax-efficient
thods. )

I am the same. Any sponsorship money goes to the charity. I look on it
as an excuse to get a cycling holiday in, so pay my own way.

Next year I am riding Dundee-Oban-Dundee over two days in aid of the
RNLI. Anyone want to pay for my accommodation or would you rather chip
in for a lifeboat instead?

...d

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Is there a proportion that would be deemed acceptable?

1:10, 1:5, 1:2 ?

Yeah, 100%.

London - Paris seems like awesome fun, what with the good wine and food
along the way, but non-cyclists just don't understand why anyone would do
something like that for fun. If this happens to you, just give up and say
"Yeah, I'm doing it for sponsorship, hand the money over". Long as you get
the money when it's pledged, its the easiest way to make money for charity,
and way easier than explaining the delights of endurance rides.

Actually, for the people who think that this is a holiday, as per an
email iv'e just had...

quote:

"stop trying to advertise your bloody cycling holiday to paris on
uk.rec.cycling, you ignorant cretin."

All proceeds raised go to the charity. A registration fee paid by
myself of £99 We take no cut and have no intention to. The website has
been built during my own time, and is hosted on a self maintained
server in my house, so I have no overheads to hosting companies,
therefore all money to charity 100%

I find it hard that people cannot understand what it's like to actaully
work hard to put something together, or do something for the greater
good, and for people like the person who says this is a holiday, I find
dispicable, for they have no idea how much work has been done and how
much time has been put into the whole project.

For people who have suffered from, or known someone close to them who
has had this disease will know how hard charities like Leukaemia Care
work, and how worthwhile this cause is.

If anyone wishes to post or email me constructive comments, then I look
forward to them, otherwise keep your self-opinionated unfounded
comments to yourself.

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

Is there a proportion that would be deemed acceptable?

1:10, 1:5, 1:2 ?

Yeah, 100%.

London - Paris seems like awesome fun, what with the good wine and food
along the way, but non-cyclists just don't understand why anyone would do
something like that for fun. If this happens to you, just give up and say
"Yeah, I'm doing it for sponsorship, hand the money over". Long as you get
the money when it's pledged, its the easiest way to make money for charity,
and way easier than explaining the delights of endurance rides.

Oh and the other thing was, none of the money has to go through the Do
it for charity hands, In fact we have a Just Giving page which pays all
money directly to Leukaemia Care's bank account, all money we raise,
will also go through this site in order to claim Gift Aid.

Quoted message said:

Actually, for the people who think that this is a holiday, as per an
email iv'e just had...

quote:

"stop trying to advertise your bloody cycling holiday to paris on
uk.rec.cycling, you ignorant cretin."

All proceeds raised go to the charity. A registration fee paid by
myself of £99 We take no cut and have no intention to. The website has
been built during my own time, and is hosted on a self maintained
server in my house, so I have no overheads to hosting companies,
therefore all money to charity 100%

I find it hard that people cannot understand what it's like to actaully
work hard to put something together, or do something for the greater
good, and for people like the person who says this is a holiday, I find
dispicable, for they have no idea how much work has been done and how
much time has been put into the whole project.

For people who have suffered from, or known someone close to them who
has had this disease will know how hard charities like Leukaemia Care
work, and how worthwhile this cause is.

If anyone wishes to post or email me constructive comments, then I look
forward to them, otherwise keep your self-opinionated unfounded
comments to yourself.

Grin and bear it, although abusive e-mails are truly pathetic.

Unfortunately charities have brought distrust into the equation by their
commercialisation of fund raising. There is no doubt that many of them
use the fact that they will attract participants in fundraising events
by offering something in return - hence the comments about holidays
which are often made.

When a "gruelling challenge across the deserts Egypt" is a fully
supported organised tour along the Nile with sightseeing trips bolted on
and staying in 4-star hotels with everything provided, is promoted as a
charity event it is bound to raise questions.
However it must be remembered that the aim of the charities running such
events is to raise money - and if that works, they have done their job.

Regrettably it will sometimes grate with those who do all the work
themselves, pay their own way and give 100% of all funds to the charity.

If you are in the latter category, well done, you deserve the highest
praises.

tt

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Wot Triddletree said, plus:

Quoted message said:

Actually, for the people who think that this is a holiday <snippity>
and for people like the person who says this is a holiday, I find
dispicable

Four short days of pleasant cycling through lovely countryside with a nice
hotel and good food at the end of the day *IS* a holiday. You'll **love**
this trip, it'll be excellent. I'm quite jealous.

Quoted message said:

All proceeds raised go to the charity <snippity> all money to charity
100%

Fantastic. Put that on the website. Just Giving take a 5% cut thobut, so
95% is the headline figure, unless there's a better way?

Quoted message said:

If anyone wishes to post or email me constructive comments, then I
look forward to them, otherwise keep your self-opinionated unfounded
comments to yourself.

Constructive comments:

Appreciate that no one here knows you, so we're likely to ask sensible
questions about where the money goes. You are, after all, asking
strangers.

I suggest you:
-State how much of the money we donate goes to the charity
-State who is paying the hotel bills and other costs of the holiday
- And whether or not this comes out of sponsorship money
-State who *you personally* pass the sponsorship money to, so that
potential sponsors can check that this is a 'legitimate' fund raising
endeavour (i.e. does it get collected by an intermediary who then passes
all sponsorship to Leukemia Care? How can we contact them to make sure
they've heard of you? If it all goes through Just Giving, how much do they
take?)
-Post the funnier bits from the emails you've received.

I know you've done most of this, but would be good to have it all on your
website.

Quoted message said:

Actually, for the people who think that this is a holiday, as per an
email iv'e just had...

quote:

"stop trying to advertise your bloody cycling holiday to paris on
uk.rec.cycling, you ignorant cretin."

That was uncalled for, whoever sent it.

<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People

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Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

Turn on, log in, fight spam.

Thanks Mark, appreciate it!

I see it in the first instance as a challenge, I cycle a hell of a lot
and suppose, for some people who do more than this is a day, it can be
seen as a holiday, I dont think after the second day I'll be seeing it
as a holiday 🙂 Although I will enjoy it a lot and get the most out of
it.

Just giving add on the gift aid then take off the charges applied by
their banker, Barclays, a £10 donation is worth something like £11.80
in real terms, so its not like the amount is going below the original
donation, otherwise I wouldnt use it.

We work for Birmingham Midshires which is part of HBOS, so we are
having to do things all above board (Wouldnt do it any other way,
anyway) as they will be match funding us aswell £ for £ up to £500,
we have to prove to them how much weve raised.

For us, Just Giving provides the simplest and easiest way to show how
much weve raised and handle the finances.

I was a little agry about the comments on the email I got which
prompted my first reply, After sleeping on it, and thinking back,
people like that aren't worth my time so i've let it go.

Weve had a sugegstion emailedfrom someone else who read y original post
about doing a blog nearer the time and a daily blog through the event,
which would be a good idea, I'll be adding more stuff to the site as
and when.

Mark Thompson said:

[Much dodgy snipping and cutting and pasting to make points easier to
follow]:

Wot Triddletree said, plus:

Quoted message said:

Actually, for the people who think that this is a holiday <snippity>
and for people like the person who says this is a holiday, I find
dispicable

Four short days of pleasant cycling through lovely countryside with a nice
hotel and good food at the end of the day *IS* a holiday. You'll **love**
this trip, it'll be excellent. I'm quite jealous.

Quoted message said:

All proceeds raised go to the charity <snippity> all money to charity
100%

Fantastic. Put that on the website. Just Giving take a 5% cut thobut, so
95% is the headline figure, unless there's a better way?

Quoted message said:

If anyone wishes to post or email me constructive comments, then I
look forward to them, otherwise keep your self-opinionated unfounded
comments to yourself.

Constructive comments:

Appreciate that no one here knows you, so we're likely to ask sensible
questions about where the money goes. You are, after all, asking
strangers.

I suggest you:
-State how much of the money we donate goes to the charity
-State who is paying the hotel bills and other costs of the holiday
- And whether or not this comes out of sponsorship money
-State who *you personally* pass the sponsorship money to, so that
potential sponsors can check that this is a 'legitimate' fund raising
endeavour (i.e. does it get collected by an intermediary who then passes
all sponsorship to Leukemia Care? How can we contact them to make sure
they've heard of you? If it all goes through Just Giving, how much do they
take?)
-Post the funnier bits from the emails you've received.

I know you've done most of this, but would be good to have it all on your
website.

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Actually, for the people who think that this is a holiday, as per an
email iv'e just had...

quote:

Quoted message said:

"stop trying to advertise your bloody cycling holiday to paris on
uk.rec.cycling, you ignorant cretin."

Quoted message said:

All proceeds raised go to the charity. A registration fee paid by
myself of £99 We take no cut and have no intention to. The website has
been built during my own time, and is hosted on a self maintained
server in my house, so I have no overheads to hosting companies,
therefore all money to charity 100%.

Yes that is an uncalled for comment, but the internet can be a suspicious
place. I was certainly suspicious to begin with because you weren't
following up posts, so I apologise if I offended you earlier on.

Can you clarify who is paying for the accommodation, food, return transport,
etc.

Thx, Peter

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I see it in the first instance as a challenge, I cycle a
hell of a lot

Did you mean to write that? It's just that this:

Quoted message said:

and suppose, for some people who do more
than this is a day, it can be seen as a holiday, I dont
think after the second day I'll be seeing it as a
holiday 🙂 Although I will enjoy it a lot and get the
most out of it.

somewhat contradicts that claim. 60-70 miles per day supported isn't exactly
hard for somebody who cycles "a hell of a lot".

[although somewhere there were hints about "riding slowly and keeping
together", which may in fact make it a lot worse :-) ]

BTW here's what one of the charities involved in either the same ride or a
very similar one says about the amount the charity receives:

"Out of the registration fee (£99) and the minimum sponsorship level
(£1,000), the NAS will receive approximately 60% of the total and the
remainder of the money submitted will cover the tour costs for this event."

(this is what a few people have been asking for)

(are there lots of these rides going on?)

cheers,
clive

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Clive George said:

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Quoted message said:

I see it in the first instance as a challenge, I cycle a
hell of a lot

Did you mean to write that? It's just that this:

Quoted message said:

and suppose, for some people who do more
than this is a day, it can be seen as a holiday, I dont
think after the second day I'll be seeing it as a
holiday 🙂 Although I will enjoy it a lot and get the
most out of it.

somewhat contradicts that claim. 60-70 miles per day supported isn't exactly
hard for somebody who cycles "a hell of a lot".

Indeed, if they were aiming to do it in 24 hours I think we might give
more credit. :-)

Yeah, sorry, It wasnt that clear, I cycle a lot, but dont do long
rides, and certainly dont rack up anythig like 465km in 4 days.

Clive George said:

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Quoted message said:

I see it in the first instance as a challenge, I cycle a
hell of a lot

Did you mean to write that? It's just that this:

Quoted message said:

and suppose, for some people who do more
than this is a day, it can be seen as a holiday, I dont
think after the second day I'll be seeing it as a
holiday 🙂 Although I will enjoy it a lot and get the
most out of it.

somewhat contradicts that claim. 60-70 miles per day supported isn't exactly
hard for somebody who cycles "a hell of a lot".

[although somewhere there were hints about "riding slowly and keeping
together", which may in fact make it a lot worse :-) ]

BTW here's what one of the charities involved in either the same ride or a
very similar one says about the amount the charity receives:

"Out of the registration fee (£99) and the minimum sponsorship level
(£1,000), the NAS will receive approximately 60% of the total and the
remainder of the money submitted will cover the tour costs for this event.."

(this is what a few people have been asking for)

(are there lots of these rides going on?)

cheers,
clive

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Can you clarify who is paying for the accommodation, food, return
transport,
etc.

I've paid a fee of £99 to the people who organise the event, I'm not
paying the donation money to them, thats going to Leukaemia CARE
through Just Giving, which i've said before, with the Gift Aid on top,
and the Bank carges for handing card transactions, the money to the
charity is still greater than the amount donated, so its not as if a
lesser amount is being donated in the end.

Doitforcharity.com is a division of another company called Skyline
events, who are an events management company, i am 'assuming' that as I
have paid £99 so far, And from mine, and others, reckoning, it would
cost more to stage this event, that the difference in real cost is met
by way of their other business areas such as corporate events
management.

But it's something I'll ask.

Peter said:

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Actually, for the people who think that this is a holiday, as per an
email iv'e just had...

quote:

Quoted message said:

"stop trying to advertise your bloody cycling holiday to paris on
uk.rec.cycling, you ignorant cretin."

Quoted message said:

All proceeds raised go to the charity. A registration fee paid by
myself of £99 We take no cut and have no intention to. The website has
been built during my own time, and is hosted on a self maintained
server in my house, so I have no overheads to hosting companies,
therefore all money to charity 100%.

Yes that is an uncalled for comment, but the internet can be a suspicious
place. I was certainly suspicious to begin with because you weren't
following up posts, so I apologise if I offended you earlier on.

Can you clarify who is paying for the accommodation, food, return transport,
etc.

Thx, Peter