What to drink on tough rides

JoeD said:

As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
What to drink?

Flat Coke is great for the last lap of an XC race or the last hour of an
enduro. Red Bull or Red Bull mixed with water (1 can into bottle then
fill with water) falls into this category too.

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Quoted message said:

Mountain Lover and soon to be proud triple owner.

I'm a mountain lover and have a triple too - three singlespeeds!

Parbs

JoeD said:

Mountain Lover and soon to be proud triple owner.

Good that you have seen the light. Have a look in here for info on conversions ect.

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Jam sandwiches and a sports drinks for me, forget the coke until the end. Soft drinks are about 15% carbs or more whereas sports drinks are no more than 6% but have a look in this part of cycling forums. It's wealth of information in their.

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:33:22 GMT, "JoeD" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
What to drink?

Recent research suggests that a chocolate milk (Big M type)
out-performs the sport drinks and plain water. Interesting.
--
Regards.
Richard.

Richard Sherratt said:

Recent research suggests that a chocolate milk (Big M type)
out-performs the sport drinks and plain water. Interesting.

any milk but Big M, its the one with added glue.

Richard Sherratt said:

Recent research suggests that a chocolate milk (Big M type)
out-performs the sport drinks and plain water. Interesting.

IIRC, for recovery, not during a race. The carb/protein ratio that it has is spot on.

I'd huck up iced coffee on the rest of the riders if I attempted to drink one during a race! It wouldn't be nice. Funny, but not nice 🙂

lama

Richard Sherratt said:

Recent research suggests that a chocolate milk (Big M type)
out-performs the sport drinks and plain water. Interesting.

I've heard the same but i know a guy who had a big M on the alpine this year at Mt Beauty and chucked going up towonga. I don't think I would be game to try after hearing that story.

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Quoted message said:

As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
What to drink?
I usually can't stomach anything but water and eating bits of food as I'm
riding and leave the Gatorade type of drinks (and/or coffee) at stops.
Well this time a fellow rider told me to just have a couple of cokes and
see what happens. I would have thought the Gatorade type drinks being so
called formulated for sports, would be better but I really believed the
coke had just as good if not better effect. There was still 15k from
Dinner Plain to the highest point on the road at Hotham and to my surprise
I rode that 15K quite comfortably although obviously a little tired. Was
it my imagination?
So what would most out there drink on tough rides?
I think I'll give coke a few more try's before I'm converted.
I know coke has been around for years but I've only been riding for a
relatively short time where energy drinks have always been available and
as we're all told, this is what they're formulated for. Apparently Red
Bull type of drinks have the same effect as coke and wonder as they both
have caffeine, would that be the difference as I do believe
Gatorade/PowerAde, etc exclude caffeine.

Mountain Lover and soon to be proud triple owner.

Here is a interesting site with some good info on sports drinks.

http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/drinks.htm

And you also might want to read this one as well.

< http://www.aboc.com.au/tips-and-hints/guide-to-hydration >

JoeD said:

As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
What to drink?
I usually can't stomach anything but water and eating bits of food as I'm
riding and leave the Gatorade type of drinks (and/or coffee) at stops. Well
this time a fellow rider told me to just have a couple of cokes and see what
happens. I would have thought the Gatorade type drinks being so called
formulated for sports, would be better but I really believed the coke had
just as good if not better effect. There was still 15k from Dinner Plain to
the highest point on the road at Hotham and to my surprise I rode that 15K
quite comfortably although obviously a little tired. Was it my imagination?
So what would most out there drink on tough rides?
I think I'll give coke a few more try's before I'm converted.
I know coke has been around for years but I've only been riding for a
relatively short time where energy drinks have always been available and as
we're all told, this is what they're formulated for. Apparently Red Bull
type of drinks have the same effect as coke and wonder as they both have
caffeine, would that be the difference as I do believe Gatorade/PowerAde,
etc exclude caffeine.

Mountain Lover and soon to be proud triple owner.

re: Coke.

I noticed a heap of the pro's gulping down little cans of Coke form
their feedbags during the TdF. I was intrigued, and asked the question
on here at the time....

The consensus (ha!) seemed to be that it is fine for a last little kick
near the end of a stage (or long ride for us mere mortals), but not the
go as your "general hydration strategy" for the entire day. Made
sense....

Oh, and someone else on here once referred to it as "the devil's
mouthwash", which I thought was rather clever.... *grins*

Oh oh, and finally - chocco milk for RECOVERY - NOT during the ride.
Otherwise the chuck potential just seems huge...!!!!!

Cheers,
Abby

Richard Sherratt said:

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:33:22 GMT, "JoeD" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
What to drink?

Recent research suggests that a chocolate milk (Big M type)
out-performs the sport drinks and plain water. Interesting.

Milk doesn't travel well in in a biddon on a hot day though, alas.
Great if you ride past a servo every 45 minutes though!

Here's an article I wrote on this issue a while back :

http://www.aboc.com.au/tips-and-hints/guide-to-hydration/

You may find it useful.

Parbs said:

JoeD said:

As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
What to drink?

Flat Coke is great for the last lap of an XC race or the last hour of an
enduro. Red Bull or Red Bull mixed with water (1 can into bottle then
fill with water) falls into this category too.

*cringes* Ew, flat coke! Yuck! What's wrong with a bit of
fizz? I reckon a few healthy burps are the best way to sort
out potential/future stomach upsets.

Tam

Tamyka Bell said:

Parbs said:

JoeD said:

As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
What to drink?

Flat Coke is great for the last lap of an XC race or the last hour of an
enduro. Red Bull or Red Bull mixed with water (1 can into bottle then
fill with water) falls into this category too.

*cringes* Ew, flat coke! Yuck! What's wrong with a bit of
fizz? I reckon a few healthy burps are the best way to sort
out potential/future stomach upsets.

The problem is when the pressure in the bidon builds up from the
constant shaking and it starts squirting out the top while you are
riding fast. Very messy indeed. AMHIK...

--
BrettS

JoeD said:

As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
What to drink?
I usually can't stomach anything but water and eating bits of food as I'm
riding and leave the Gatorade type of drinks (and/or coffee) at stops. Well
this time a fellow rider told me to just have a couple of cokes and see what
happens. I would have thought the Gatorade type drinks being so called
formulated for sports, would be better but I really believed the coke had
just as good if not better effect. There was still 15k from Dinner Plain to
the highest point on the road at Hotham and to my surprise I rode that 15K
quite comfortably although obviously a little tired. Was it my imagination?
So what would most out there drink on tough rides?
I think I'll give coke a few more try's before I'm converted.
I know coke has been around for years but I've only been riding for a
relatively short time where energy drinks have always been available and as
we're all told, this is what they're formulated for. Apparently Red Bull
type of drinks have the same effect as coke and wonder as they both have
caffeine, would that be the difference as I do believe Gatorade/PowerAde,
etc exclude caffeine.

Mountain Lover and soon to be proud triple owner.

There's a funky guy in Brisbane who makes his own bike clothes except
the Richmond footy socks, makes his bar tape out of old tires, rides
gas-pipe bikes and is a very good rider for all that (won't mention his
name). He did the Grafton-Inverell this year and was doing around
1000km per week in the lead-up. I saw him at the cafe as he was about
to head off on the second part of one ride - just a little 100km doddle
out to Mt Mee after doing the Wednesday Worlds. He was mixing up his
own drink, consisting of a dollop of olive oil, some Milo, something
else disgusting and water. It smelt like a wet puppy. I tried making
some of my own for a long ride and tipped it out. Bleahh. An ironman
legend coach in Brissie, Al someone, makes all his charges down a
dollop of olive oil before a long ride.

Donga

Aboc C4P All the way. No doubt there.🙂

Donga said:

JoeD said:

As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
What to drink?
I usually can't stomach anything but water and eating bits of food as I'm
riding and leave the Gatorade type of drinks (and/or coffee) at stops. Well
this time a fellow rider told me to just have a couple of cokes and see what
happens. I would have thought the Gatorade type drinks being so called
formulated for sports, would be better but I really believed the coke had
just as good if not better effect. There was still 15k from Dinner Plain to
the highest point on the road at Hotham and to my surprise I rode that 15K
quite comfortably although obviously a little tired. Was it my imagination?
So what would most out there drink on tough rides?
I think I'll give coke a few more try's before I'm converted.
I know coke has been around for years but I've only been riding for a
relatively short time where energy drinks have always been available and as
we're all told, this is what they're formulated for. Apparently Red Bull
type of drinks have the same effect as coke and wonder as they both have
caffeine, would that be the difference as I do believe Gatorade/PowerAde,
etc exclude caffeine.

Mountain Lover and soon to be proud triple owner.

There's a funky guy in Brisbane who makes his own bike clothes except
the Richmond footy socks, makes his bar tape out of old tires, rides
gas-pipe bikes and is a very good rider for all that (won't mention his
name). He did the Grafton-Inverell this year and was doing around
1000km per week in the lead-up. I saw him at the cafe as he was about
to head off on the second part of one ride - just a little 100km doddle
out to Mt Mee after doing the Wednesday Worlds. He was mixing up his
own drink, consisting of a dollop of olive oil, some Milo, something
else disgusting and water. It smelt like a wet puppy. I tried making
some of my own for a long ride and tipped it out. Bleahh. An ironman
legend coach in Brissie, Al someone, makes all his charges down a
dollop of olive oil before a long ride.

Donga

Berndt Heinrich, a former US 100km champion, tested out many
products to find which were best for race nutrition
(described in his book "Why we run" or at least I think
that's what it was called). He was fond of honey but had
trouble keeping it down. Beer worked well but only for runs
up to 10km. Cranberry juice was his favourite (before they
stopped using corn syrup and went to artificial sweeteners).
Olive oil got a very unfavourable mention as something that
he spent a considerable amount of time throwing up! Ew!

T

BrettS said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Parbs said:

JoeD wrote:

>As some may have read on a previous post. I recently completed the Alpine
>Delight. On the return leg from Omeo, over Hotham to Bright, we arrived at
>Dinner Plain for our final checkpoint pretty well spent.
>What to drink?

Flat Coke is great for the last lap of an XC race or the last hour of an
enduro. Red Bull or Red Bull mixed with water (1 can into bottle then
fill with water) falls into this category too.

*cringes* Ew, flat coke! Yuck! What's wrong with a bit of
fizz? I reckon a few healthy burps are the best way to sort
out potential/future stomach upsets.

The problem is when the pressure in the bidon builds up from the
constant shaking and it starts squirting out the top while you are
riding fast. Very messy indeed. AMHIK...

Hehehe, then toughen up and drink a whole can :P

T

Tamyka Bell said:

Beer worked well but only for runs up to 10km.

There was breakfast beer for at least one participant in an eight hour
this year, although he subsequently claims red wine the night before leads
to better performance.

Personally I've found a good red a nice warm up for endurance mountain
biking, with beer for carbo loading and fluid replacement. It's
a tough training regime, but Parbs and I are doing our best to
scientifically [1] determine the best beverage.

L&P&T anyone?

[1] Warning: Actual scientific evidence may be absent or false. Despite
this, this product is not endorsed by the Australian Government.

--
Dave Hughes | [email hidden]
God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the Andes,
and I had to eat him - adferraro

Dave Hughes said:

a tough training regime, but Parbs and I are doing our best to
scientifically [1] determine the best beverage.

L&P&T anyone?

[1] Warning: Actual scientific evidence may be absent or false. Despite
this, this product is not endorsed by the Australian Government.

We should apply for a grant! At least then we can source a steady
supply of L&P

Parbs

Dave Hughes said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Beer worked well but only for runs up to 10km.

There was breakfast beer for at least one participant in an eight hour
this year, although he subsequently claims red wine the night before leads
to better performance.

Personally I've found a good red a nice warm up for endurance mountain
biking, with beer for carbo loading and fluid replacement. It's
a tough training regime, but Parbs and I are doing our best to
scientifically [1] determine the best beverage.

L&P&T anyone?

[1] Warning: Actual scientific evidence may be absent or false. Despite
this, this product is not endorsed by the Australian Government.

I usually have a glass of red or a beer the night before any
long races, on the bike or on foot. And peanut butter is the
food of champions.

T

Tamyka Bell said:

Dave Hughes said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Beer worked well but only for runs up to 10km.

There was breakfast beer for at least one participant in an eight hour
this year, although he subsequently claims red wine the night before leads
to better performance.

Personally I've found a good red a nice warm up for endurance mountain
biking, with beer for carbo loading and fluid replacement. It's
a tough training regime, but Parbs and I are doing our best to
scientifically [1] determine the best beverage.

L&P&T anyone?

[1] Warning: Actual scientific evidence may be absent or false. Despite
this, this product is not endorsed by the Australian Government.

I usually have a glass of red or a beer the night before any
long races, on the bike or on foot. And peanut butter is the
food of champions.

I won a 100km h'cap on a prerace lunch of chicken & chips ... go figure