another tragic loss

The entire community up there, not forgetting Scott's brother, family and the Furphy cycling team must be feeling absolutely wretched. My thoughts are with them at this terrible time 🙁

Pray for the dead, fight like hell for the living - Mother Jones

fyi - statement from Wheels of Justice.

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We are saddened at the loss of Scott Peoples of Shepparton who died on
Friday 15th December, after a tragic incident on the Maroondah Highway at
Merton, Victoria when struck from behind by a 4WD during a training ride.

Wheels of Justice extend our deepest sympathies to Scott's family and the
close knit Shepparton community. Scott who recently turned 20, will be
sadly missed by all who knew him and very much so by members of the
Trans-Tasman cycling community where Scott had in recent times become so
well known for his gritty performances and tough competitive spirit, along
with a gentle humility and great decency.

Scott Peoples won two stages of the recent Tour of Southland in New
Zealand, and coming third in the 2006 Tour of Tasmania Scott had a
promising future in competitive cycling being recently signed to a
scholarship with the Victorian Institute of Sport.

Our thoughts are with Scott's family and close friends at this time. We
will accept expressions of sympathy on the WoJ site to be passed on to
Scott's family at an appropriate time.

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Wheels of Justice
Education :: Enforcement :: Accountability
http://www.woj.com.au
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Do Nissan Patrol's still come with a bullbar as standard fitment???

Some Euro car makers are making pedestrian safety a bigger priority.

Its about time they started putting pedestrian safety into the design rules,
just as they have for car passenger safety.

"monsterman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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ROAD TRAGEDY CLAIMS PROMISING YOUNG AUSTRALIAN CYCLIST
Scott Peoples
Photo ©: Kevin Chang'[image:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/nov06/southland06/southland064/DSC_2245tn.jpg]
' (http://tinyurl.com/vtdo3)

Emerging Australian junior cyclist Scott Peoples from Shepparton,
Victoria, has died in a tragic road accident while training on the
Maroondah highway near Melbourne, reports -stuff.co.nz-.

The 19 year-old Victorian, a recent double-stage winner at last month's
'Tour of Southland'
(http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006/nov06/southland06/?id=default)
stage race in New Zealand, was reported to have been struck from behind
by a Nissan Patrol four-wheel drive vehicle, and died later at the
scene. The male driver, whose name has not been identified, was taken
to hospital suffering from shock.

Victorian race promoter and -Cyclingnews- correspondent, John
Trevorrow, said Peoples was "One of our brightest young stars" and
"destined for greatness".

"He rode a good Sun Tour, then finished third overall in Tour of
Tasmania (a tough, hilly race won by riders such as Cadel Evans) and
won two stages in NZ. Brett Lancaster (established Australian pro
rider) was just telling me he was organising a pro contact for the
youngster."

-Cyclingnews- extends its condolences to the Peoples family.

--
monsterman

Katharine & Paul said:

"monsterman" <[email hidden]> wrote

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ROAD TRAGEDY CLAIMS PROMISING YOUNG AUSTRALIAN CYCLIST

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Do Nissan Patrol's still come with a bullbar as standard fitment???

No, did you see one mentioned in the article?

Quoted message said:

Some Euro car makers are making pedestrian safety a bigger priority.

Quoted message said:

Its about time they started putting pedestrian safety into the design
rules, just as they have for car passenger safety.

Errrr, they do.

Theo

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No, did you see one mentioned in the article?

Quoted message said:

Some Euro car makers are making pedestrian safety a bigger priority.

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Its about time they started putting pedestrian safety into the design
rules, just as they have for car passenger safety.

Errrr, they do.

Tell me what they do?

And tell me how it is applied to vehicles with high bonnet lines, which are
a much bigger danger to pedestrians, cyclists and motorcyclists?

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Theo

In aus.bicycle on Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:35:19 +1000

Katharine & Paul said:

Quoted message said:

No, did you see one mentioned in the article?

Quoted message said:

Some Euro car makers are making pedestrian safety a bigger priority.

Quoted message said:

Its about time they started putting pedestrian safety into the design
rules, just as they have for car passenger safety.

Errrr, they do.

Tell me what they do?

Small things like bonnet mascots. larger things like requirements for
passenger cars (and I think 4WDs get around this by not being
"passenger cars"😉 to have sloping bonnets and non-protruding bumpers.

Contrast the front of a 1970s car with a 1990/2000s one. It's not all
about streamlining, a lot of it is design rules.

Zebee

Zebee Johnstone said:

Katharine & Paul said:

Theo wrote

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Katharine & Paul wrote:

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Quoted message said:

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> Its about time they started putting pedestrian safety into the
> design rules, just as they have for car passenger safety.

Quoted message said:

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Errrr, they do.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tell me what they do?

Quoted message said:

Small things like bonnet mascots. larger things like requirements for
passenger cars (and I think 4WDs get around this by not being
"passenger cars"😉 to have sloping bonnets and non-protruding bumpers.

Contrast the front of a 1970s car with a 1990/2000s one. It's not all
about streamlining, a lot of it is design rules.

What Zebee said. I was pointing out that "Katherine & Paul" were making a
statement from ignorance.
One of the biggest design changes in cars relating to pedestrians is that
leading edges of cars are required to deflect peds over the top rather than
under. The main argument against roo bars (and rightly so) is that they are
designed to push the roo under the vehicle.
Leading edges of bonnets also have to be less angular and 'softer'.
"Fish-hook" bonnet emblems are banned. Switzerland banned the Rolls-Royce
mascot. Check out Mercedes Benz bonnet mascot, they are on a spring so that
they fold flat when impacted. In the case of the Benz, it wasn't a design
rule that dictated that, they've been that way since the late '50s. But now
they are sloped rearwards rather than vertical.

Theo

Now tell me how the front of a NIssan Patrol is designed.

If there is a loophole for 4wd's, then surely that needs to be closed.

The bonnets of some dont look too sloping to me.

"Theo Bekkers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Zebee Johnstone said:

Katharine & Paul said:

Theo wrote
> Katharine & Paul wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> Its about time they started putting pedestrian safety into the
>> design rules, just as they have for car passenger safety.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Errrr, they do.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tell me what they do?

Quoted message said:

Small things like bonnet mascots. larger things like requirements for
passenger cars (and I think 4WDs get around this by not being
"passenger cars"😉 to have sloping bonnets and non-protruding bumpers.

Contrast the front of a 1970s car with a 1990/2000s one. It's not all
about streamlining, a lot of it is design rules.

What Zebee said. I was pointing out that "Katherine & Paul" were making a
statement from ignorance.
One of the biggest design changes in cars relating to pedestrians is that
leading edges of cars are required to deflect peds over the top rather
than under. The main argument against roo bars (and rightly so) is that
they are designed to push the roo under the vehicle.
Leading edges of bonnets also have to be less angular and 'softer'.
"Fish-hook" bonnet emblems are banned. Switzerland banned the Rolls-Royce
mascot. Check out Mercedes Benz bonnet mascot, they are on a spring so
that they fold flat when impacted. In the case of the Benz, it wasn't a
design rule that dictated that, they've been that way since the late '50s.
But now they are sloped rearwards rather than vertical.

Theo

Katharine & Paul said:

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Quoted message said:

>> Katharine & Paul wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>> Its about time they started putting pedestrian safety into the
>>> design rules, just as they have for car passenger safety.

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Now tell me how the front of a NIssan Patrol is designed.

If there is a loophole for 4wd's, then surely that needs to be closed.

The bonnets of some dont look too sloping to me.

Have a look at the bonnet of an EH Holden, or, for a truly cutting design,
the HD with it's knife edge headlight shrouds.
I don't know. Perhaps you could consult the Australian Design Standards. You
know, those one for pedestrian safety designed cars that you were saying
didn't exist.

I a not a car designer nor do I know what the design rules specify. I do
know they exist. Whether they are adequate is another question.

Cheers

Theo

You may of noticed the condolences being received on the WoJ site for Scott Peoples. I am collating them and they will be passed on at the funeral this Friday in Shepparton.

http://www.woj.com.au/2006/12/18/wheels-of-justice-scott-peoples/

http://www.woj.com.au/2006/12/17/vic-cyclist-scott-peoples-killed-in-training-accident/

If you would like to add to these condolences, please email me. I'd also ask if you could send these by mid-afternoon tomorrow (21/12), ie: by 2-3 pm so they can be included.

.... and that email be ...

cfsmtbATgmailDOTcom

ta.