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Re: Prolink actually stays, or chain tension doesn't allow squeak?

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  1. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Phil said:

    I used Prolink on my beater chain about 5 months ago. I've ridden it
    on short 1/2 mile trips on a daily basis, with a couple of wet rides.
    I haven't maintained it at all because my current job has distracts
    me from my interest in bikes, and the entire set of inner and outer
    plates is a nasty dry-rust mess at this point. However, there's no
    chain squeak. This is a SS with decently high tension on the chain.
    I also don't notice any dry chain roller "rattle."

    Is there no squeak because of the chain tension, or is it because the
    Prolink has actually maintained its lubricating properties?

    http://www.progoldmfr.com/products/prolink.html

    Prolink claims to be a "metal conditioner" using "MFR technology."
    Whatever the hell that is.

    http://www.progoldmfr.com/products/MFRconc.html

    "Not to be confused with ordinary "additives," ProGold MFR Concentrate
    is a scientifically blended petroleum-based formula designed to blend
    with motor oils, gear oils and other lubricants, either natural
    hydrocarbon or synthetic. It coats internal metal surfaces with a
    polarized layer of oil molecules to resist extreme pressure and
    excessive temperature in industrial and automotive applications such as
    internal combustion and diesel engines, automatic and manual
    transmissions, differentials, gear boxes, mining and smelting equipment,
    machine tools, air compressors, pumps, generators, bearings and bearing
    journals. Contains no plastic particles, PTFE resins, molybdenum
    disulfide, or any other solids which may cause harmful buildup."

    They don't identify what "MFR" is. Searching the Web for "MFR" and
    things like "lubricant" and "tribology" was not all that helpful.
    Nothing turned up at www.uspto.com but then since I don't know what "MFR
    technology" stands for that might be a limiter. One definition of "MFR"
    was "Melt Flow Rate." Another was "Melamine-Formaldehyde Resin:"

    http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/TSF06/Event/55993

    http://www.chamotlabs.com/ApplicationNotes/HTC/HTC34thMidwest.html

    Note that ProLink is part of the "ProGold" family of products, which
    have those wonderful commercials where they add their product to the oil
    in an engine, then drain the oil out of the engine and leave it running
    while all the other engines using plain motor oil rapidly overheat and
    seize.

    http://www.progoldmfr.com/products/enginetrmt.html

    It looks suspiciously like oleus serpentus to me. However, that said,
    I've got a bottle of ProLink and it works fine on my chains. I get
    300-400 miles between applications. The chain seems to be slightly less
    of a dust and dirt magnet than is the case motor oil and it seems to dry
    a bit more. It seems to hold up in the rain fairly well but no better
    than motor oil.

    Most of the breathless claims on the ProLink page of ProGold's Web site
    are hooey, though. It's not a dry lube, it does attract dirt to an
    extent, I've seen no sign of it cleaning as I ride, etc.

  2. On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:30:38 -0600, Tim McNamara
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    They don't identify what "MFR" is. Searching the Web for "MFR" and
    things like "lubricant" and "tribology" was not all that helpful.
    Nothing turned up at www.uspto.com but then since I don't know what "MFR
    technology" stands for that might be a limiter. One definition of "MFR"
    was "Melt Flow Rate." Another was "Melamine-Formaldehyde Resin:"

    [snip]

    Dear Tim,

    "MFR technology" is just a silly marketing acronym for "metal friction
    reducer technology":

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=mfr+%22metal+friction+reducer%22

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  3. Tim McNamara said:

    http://www.progoldmfr.com/products/enginetrmt.html

    It looks suspiciously like oleus serpentus to me. However, that said,
    I've got a bottle of ProLink and it works fine on my chains. I get
    300-400 miles between applications. The chain seems to be slightly less
    of a dust and dirt magnet than is the case motor oil and it seems to dry
    a bit more. It seems to hold up in the rain fairly well but no better
    than motor oil.
    Most of the breathless claims on the ProLink page of ProGold's Web site
    are hooey, though. It's not a dry lube, it does attract dirt to an
    extent, I've seen no sign of it cleaning as I ride, etc.

    After trying a bunch of chain lubricants, I've settled on ProLink as a
    good compromise - attracts crud less than triflow or similar oils, lasts
    a whole lot longer than the wax-based lubricants I tried.

    That said, I agree that the "MFR" blather is overdone.

    Mark J.

  4. Tim McNamara said:


    Prolink claims to be a "metal conditioner" using "MFR technology."
    Whatever the hell that is.

    It looks suspiciously like oleus serpentus to me.

    Yeah, it really sounds like long aliphatic chain hydrocarbons derived
    from organically grown reptilian sources.

    Quoted message said:

    However, that said,
    I've got a bottle of ProLink and it works fine on my chains. I get
    300-400 miles between applications. The chain seems to be slightly less
    of a dust and dirt magnet than is the case motor oil and it seems to dry
    a bit more. It seems to hold up in the rain fairly well but no better
    than motor oil.

    While using Prolink, I had to run some real oil over the chain every
    few weeks to keep it from rusting, which made the spectacular black
    mess for the next few weeks.

    Quoted message said:

    Most of the breathless claims on the ProLink page of ProGold's Web site
    are hooey, though. It's not a dry lube, it does attract dirt to an
    extent, I've seen no sign of it cleaning as I ride, etc.

    My preference is to get all the possible maintenance done at once. Am
    I the only person who comes back from a ride and wants to go get a
    drink inside an air conditioned house, instead of puttering around
    lubing a chain, which I then need to spend a few minutes wiping off
    before the next ride? (Half this gripe applies to store-bought
    homebrew, aka WL.)

    Pat

    Email address works as is.

  5. Quoted message said:
    Tim McNamara said:

    They don't identify what "MFR" is. Searching the Web for "MFR" and
    things like "lubricant" and "tribology" was not all that helpful.
    Nothing turned up at www.uspto.com but then since I don't know what "MFR
    technology" stands for that might be a limiter. One definition of "MFR"
    was "Melt Flow Rate." Another was "Melamine-Formaldehyde Resin:"

    "MFR technology" is just a silly marketing acronym for "metal friction
    reducer technology":

    Would a translation into something resembling English read, "Technical
    meaning replaced by marketing babble "?

    Pat

    Email address works as is.

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Patrick Lamb said:
    Quoted message said:
    Tim McNamara said:

    They don't identify what "MFR" is. Searching the Web for "MFR" and
    things like "lubricant" and "tribology" was not all that helpful.
    Nothing turned up at www.uspto.com but then since I don't know what "MFR
    technology" stands for that might be a limiter. One definition of "MFR"
    was "Melt Flow Rate." Another was "Melamine-Formaldehyde Resin:"

    "MFR technology" is just a silly marketing acronym for "metal friction
    reducer technology":

    Would a translation into something resembling English read, "Technical
    meaning replaced by marketing babble "?

    I think probably just "marketing babble." I'm not at all sure that
    there was "technical meaning" in the first place. Oh well, it is a
    decent product in terms of how it works.

  7. Tim McNamara said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Patrick Lamb said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:30:38 -0600, Tim McNamara
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >They don't identify what "MFR" is. Searching the Web for "MFR" and
    >things like "lubricant" and "tribology" was not all that helpful.
    >Nothing turned up at www.uspto.com but then since I don't know what "MFR
    >technology" stands for that might be a limiter. One definition of "MFR"
    >was "Melt Flow Rate." Another was "Melamine-Formaldehyde Resin:"

    "MFR technology" is just a silly marketing acronym for "metal friction
    reducer technology":

    Would a translation into something resembling English read, "Technical
    meaning replaced by marketing babble "?

    I think probably just "marketing babble." I'm not at all sure that
    there was "technical meaning" in the first place. Oh well, it is a
    decent product in terms of how it works.

    I read somewhere that the producers of "Star Trek - Next Generation"
    wanted to sound good scientifically, so they hired a science/tech guy to
    doctor their scripts. The scriptwriters literally wrote things like
    "Captain! The tech-ity tech tech is about to tech" and the science guy
    would fill in something that sounded good.

    Maybe prolink does it the other way around - the technical people write
    stuff like "Markety mark mark makes Prolink very effective" and the
    marketing people fill in with things like "MFR".

    Mark J.

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