How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been killed?

Alan Holmes said:

Just a thought as to whether helmets really do save lives.

How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been either killed or badly
injured, compared with cyclists who do wear helmets?

Now, now Alan. Playing the judge who asked "Who are the Beatles?" is
your normal role here. Aggravated Trolling is not.

Mike (Expecting "What is trolling?" response....)

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Now, now Alan. Playing the judge who asked "Who are the Beatles?" is
your normal role here. Aggravated Trolling is not.

PWP is my guess.

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Alan Holmes said:

Just a thought as to whether helmets really do save lives.

How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been either killed or badly
injured, compared with cyclists who do wear helmets?

Now, now Alan. Playing the judge who asked "Who are the Beatles?" is
your normal role here. Aggravated Trolling is not.

I did vaguely wonder if some of his recent posts were forgeries - his
style really does seem to have changed. I haven't bothered examining
headers though, and it's more likely he's just sulking because no one
took his Olympic standard touring times seriously.

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Alan Holmes said:

Just a thought as to whether helmets really do save lives.

How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been either killed or badly
injured, compared with cyclists who do wear helmets?

I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while, for
about a hundred years cyclist have not worn helmets, so why have they
suddenly appeared?

Alan

Alan Holmes said:

I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while

Well, you deserve an award of some sort for *completely* failing to take
in one /hell/ of a lot of traffic here.

www.cyclehelmets.org is the place, get reading.

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Alan Holmes said the following on 15/01/2007 12:54:

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I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while, for
about a hundred years cyclist have not worn helmets, so why have they
suddenly appeared?

Please - rather than stir up this always-heated discussion again, have a
look back through the many, many threads on this subject.

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Alan Holmes said:

Just a thought as to whether helmets really do save lives.

How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been either killed or badly
injured, compared with cyclists who do wear helmets?

TROLL! In the dungeons! Though you ought to know... Professor Quirrell

BugBear

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Alan Holmes said:

I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while

Well, you deserve an award of some sort for *completely* failing to take
in one /hell/ of a lot of traffic here.

The speed he goes, is it any wonder he can't read it?

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Alan Holmes said:

I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while

Well, you deserve an award of some sort for *completely* failing to take
in one /hell/ of a lot of traffic here.

www.cyclehelmets.org is the place, get reading.

And that will tell me everything I have asked?

Alan

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Alan Holmes said the following on 15/01/2007 12:54:

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I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while,
for about a hundred years cyclist have not worn helmets, so why have they
suddenly appeared?

Please - rather than stir up this always-heated discussion again, have a
look back through the many, many threads on this subject.

I wasn't aware that there had been any threads on this subject!

How do I find them?

Alan

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Alan Holmes said:

Just a thought as to whether helmets really do save lives.

How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been either killed or badly
injured, compared with cyclists who do wear helmets?

TROLL! In the dungeons! Though you ought to know... Professor Quirrell

So you don't think it important for people to know whether they are at risk?

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Alan Holmes said the following on 15/01/2007 12:54:

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I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while,
for about a hundred years cyclist have not worn helmets, so why have they
suddenly appeared?

Please - rather than stir up this always-heated discussion again, have a
look back through the many, many threads on this subject.

Just found some, will read!

Thank you, at last a sensible post.

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Alan Holmes said:

Just a thought as to whether helmets really do save lives.

How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been either killed or badly
injured, compared with cyclists who do wear helmets?

I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while,
for about a hundred years cyclist have not worn helmets, so why have they
suddenly appeared?

This is a highly political issue, as I'm sure you know. A few small scale
studies have claimed, on the basis of fairly poor statistics, that helmet
wearing should make an enormous difference to cyclist safety. Much larger
studies based on places which have introduced mandatory helmet legislation
show that helmet wearing makes no difference or else makes things
marginally worse. For more information - not unbiased, but nevertheless
linking to the majority of the available material both pro and anti - see
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/

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Alan Holmes said:

Just a thought as to whether helmets really do save lives.

How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been either killed or badly
injured, compared with cyclists who do wear helmets?

TROLL! In the dungeons! Though you ought to know... Professor Quirrell

So you don't think it important for people to know whether they are at risk?

People know.

You (apparently) don't.

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Alan Holmes said:

I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while

Well, you deserve an award of some sort for *completely* failing to take
in one /hell/ of a lot of traffic here.

www.cyclehelmets.org is the place, get reading.

And that will tell me everything I have asked?

Yup.

but you have to be able to understand it.

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Alan Holmes said the following on 15/01/2007 12:54:

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I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while,
for about a hundred years cyclist have not worn helmets, so why have
they suddenly appeared?

Please - rather than stir up this always-heated discussion again, have a
look back through the many, many threads on this subject.

Just found some, will read!

Thank you, at last a sensible post.

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Alan Holmes wrote:
> Just a thought as to whether helmets really do save lives.
>
> How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been either killed or badly
> injured, compared with cyclists who do wear helmets?

TROLL! In the dungeons! Though you ought to know... Professor Quirrell

So you don't think it important for people to know whether they are at
risk?

People know.

You (apparently) don't.

You seem not to understand what I am asking, it's very simple really, am I
at more risk when not wearing a helmet than when wearing one, how many times
will I fall off a cycle and damage my head?

Alan

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Alan Holmes said the following on 15/01/2007 12:54:

> I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while,
> for about a hundred years cyclist have not worn helmets, so why have
> they suddenly appeared?

Please - rather than stir up this always-heated discussion again, have a
look back through the many, many threads on this subject.

Just found some, will read!

Thank you, at last a sensible post.

htfwyk?

Sorry I don't understand cantonese.

Alan

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:33:50 +0000, Alan Holmes wrote:

> Just a thought as to whether helmets really do save lives.
>
> How many cyclists not wearing helmets have been either killed or badly
> injured, compared with cyclists who do wear helmets?

I was serious, I wonder whether the fuss about helmets is worth while,
for about a hundred years cyclist have not worn helmets, so why have they
suddenly appeared?

This is a highly political issue, as I'm sure you know. A few small scale
studies have claimed, on the basis of fairly poor statistics, that helmet
wearing should make an enormous difference to cyclist safety. Much larger
studies based on places which have introduced mandatory helmet legislation
show that helmet wearing makes no difference or else makes things
marginally worse. For more information - not unbiased, but nevertheless
linking to the majority of the available material both pro and anti - see
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/

Thanks.

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