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So they damn well knew all along!

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  1. Cambridge Cycling Campaign has just unearthed a document by the City's
    Planning and Engineer's departments from 1975 that shows they knew all
    about the minimum width for on-road lanes, why off-road (pavement) is more
    dangerous than on-road, why it's junctions that have most accidents, why
    there should be no parking alongside cycle lanes, etc, etc, etc!

    Which leads to the question - why have they been ignoring this document
    for the past 30 years?

    http://www.camcycle.org.uk/resources/cycleways1975/

    Mike

  2. On Jan 28, 5:33 pm, Mike Causer <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Cambridge Cycling Campaign has just unearthed a document by the City's
    Planning and Engineer's departments from 1975 that shows they knew all
    about the minimum width for on-road lanes, why off-road (pavement) is more
    dangerous than on-road, why it's junctions that have most accidents, why
    there should be no parking alongside cycle lanes, etc, etc, etc!

    Which leads to the question - why have they been ignoring this document
    for the past 30 years?

    Although mostly specifically about Cambridge, some general points
    which were interesting:
    Cars parking in is recognised as a problem and parking restrictions
    are suggested to stop this. While it may have worked in 1975, it
    doesn't work today.
    Problems such as raised lines and sunken gullies are recognised as a
    problem then, and are still a problem today.
    A lot of things are described as not legally possible (e.g. off road
    cycle routes, priority cycle lanes at traffic lights) which are more
    common today so something has been done to allow these.
    2 way cycle lanes should be 2.2m wide, has the recommendation been
    increased recently to 2.5m?

    An interesting read though. I didn't realise cycle lanes had been
    around for such a long time!

    peter

    Interesting reading though.

    The report recognises that cyclists won't use a new route if it is
    more inconvenient (including short sections) - which is still valid
    today

  3. "naked_draughtsman" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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    Quoted message said:

    An interesting read though. I didn't realise cycle lanes had been
    around for such a long time!

    Modern bike lanes descend from the ones introduced into Davis,
    California, in 1967, as a compromise between the cycling students of
    the University of California, and the locals who wanted bikes banned
    completely. However, although Davis invented the term "bike lane",
    they were a reinvention there. Belgium had what were essentially
    bike lanes in the 1940s, for example. Belgian cyclists liked them
    because they were less dangerous than cycle tracks.

    The oldest cycle track I know of will be one-hundred-and-twelve years
    old in June. It's in Brooklyn, New York

    There's remarkably little institutional memory in cycling. In 1958
    Professor Sir Colin Buchanan wrote in his book "Mixed Blessing, The
    Motor in Britain"
    "The meagre efforts to separate cyclists from motor traffic have
    failed, tracks are inadequate, the problem of treating them at
    junctions and intersections is completely unsolved, and the attitude
    of cyclists themselves to these admittedly unsatisfactory tracks has
    not been as helpful as it might have been."

    How much have things changed?

    Jeremy Parker

  4. On 28 Jan 2007 10:03:24 -0800

    naked_draughtsman said:

    [chop]

    'Twas in the autumn of '79 I went up to Cambridge as a
    brand new student. One thing I faintly recollect was
    a policeman giving a little presentation to us freshers,
    and telling us how dangerous the then-new contraflow
    thingey on (IIRC) Downing Street was. Points like,
    where it emerges there is no physical separation from
    the main road so that cars will be able to swing across it.

    It puzzled me at the time, that something planned and executed
    by 'officialdom' should be so firmly condemned by 'officialdom'.

    --
    not me guv

  5. Nick Kew wrote on 30/01/2007 21:16 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    It puzzled me at the time, that something planned and executed
    by 'officialdom' should be so firmly condemned by 'officialdom'.

    You've presumably since learnt about the concept of "departments".

    --
    Tony

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