Cyclists Dismount!

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:31:27 +0000 someone who may be Don Whybrow
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If you found it, does it matter how it is expressed.

You sound like the teacher who, in the early 1980s, told the
daughter of a colleague that it didn't matter how she spelt words.
It was a concept fashionable amongst many teaches at the time. Being
a man from Belfast, Northern Ireland has a long history of
"traditional" education, my colleague was not at all impressed and
visited the school to impress his viewpoint on the teacher and
headmaster.

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Don Whybrow wrote on 04/02/2007 11:31 +0100:

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MatSav said:

Having said that, I did find the location on a map :-)

If you found it, does it matter how it is expressed. This isn't the
Royal Institution of Cartographers.

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On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:16:05 +0000, MatSav <"matthew | dot | savage |

at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com said:

Or, to be ever-so-slightly more correct, the Ordnance Survey [of Great
Britain] six-figure grid reference is approximately TQ 775 622.

No it's not. TQ775622 is on the edge of Chatham. You mean ST775622.

Tim

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 14:20:25 +0000,

David Hansen said:

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:31:27 +0000 someone who may be Don Whybrow
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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If you found it, does it matter how it is expressed.

You sound like the teacher who, in the early 1980s, told the
daughter of a colleague that it didn't matter how she spelt words.

I would have loved a teacher to tell me that. The first thing I
would try is doing a rot13 on my essay and she how the teacher likes
that. After all if it doesn't matter how you spell the words ...

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Just wondering if the police can charge you if you don't dismount.

Why would you want to dismount while you are cycling?

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I always dismount by the way.

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Ewan wrote on 03/02/2007 17:28 +0100:

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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:19:24 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

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[email hidden] wrote on 03/02/2007 16:01 +0100:
> Just wondering if the police can charge you if you don't dismount.
>
> I always dismount by the way.
>
No, but it might count against you in assessing liabilty and damages in
an accident. If you dismount at the signs you are probably the only one
here who does. I regard it as a generic statement for information and
do indeed dismount, at the end of the ride, as it states.

I always read it and think: "Lying b******s".

You mean you never dismount from your bike? Ever?

Not while I'm travelling!

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Just wondering if the police can charge you if you don't dismount.

I always dismount by the way.

Probably not. The police can only charge you if you break a traffic
order.

Certain signs are only supposed to be placed if there is a
traffic order in force, and if you ignore these the police might
charge you.

Other signs are just used [censored]-nilly at the whim of the local
authority, there are no traffic orders, and you're breaking no law if
you ignore them. The police won't do anything specific to you if you
ignore these.

For example (in the realm of markings, not signs) a box junction
(yellow hatching) has a traffic order. Sit in this and you could be
charged. Two white lines and the text "Keep Clear" has no traffic
order (or at least, can be used without a traffic order), and if you
sit on that, nothing much will happen.

However, much like the bulk of the highway code, disregarding signs
may be cited as evidence of your general disregard for safety and
may therefore count against you when the courts are considering either
compensation to you or other charges against you.

Having said which, I ignore "cyclists dismount". Their only purpose
is to remind you that whoever 'designed' the 'facility' you are using
was an idiot with no comprehension of what cyclists actually require.

Where did this come from, the OP did not mention any signs?

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Ewan said:

It's always better to point these things out as it saves other people from
'learning' the erroneous way of doing it.

Obviously I'd already learned the erroneous way of doing it. In fact,
the way I presented the coordinates was exactly the way I was taught to
do it at school.

I'd rather make a mistake once and be corrected, than make the mistake
repeatedly.

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Thanks, MatSav.

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Danny Colyer said:

Ewan said:

It's always better to point these things out as it saves other people
from
'learning' the erroneous way of doing it.

Obviously I'd already learned the erroneous way of doing it. In fact,
the way I presented the coordinates was exactly the way I was taught to
do it at school.

I'd rather make a mistake once and be corrected, than make the mistake
repeatedly.

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Thanks, MatSav.

OK, I concede that there is more than one way to present co-ordinates!

However, the way I stated is [almost] the one given on Ordnance Survey
publications - such as

<http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/education/teachingresources/nationalgrid/step6.html>

I note they don't use spaces in their style of grid reference though! I
s'pose it could be argued that the decimal point is just a separator,
like the space I use between 100km grid square idents, Eastings and
Northings.

We all live our lives by conventions (some of which are made into laws).
The method I choose to state grid references is the one which is, by
convention, accepted by the official mapping body of the United Kingdom.
Your Mileage May Vary, of course.

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Ewan said:

I use a track that goes under a *very* low bridge. There are 'Cyclists Dismount'
signs on either side.

I think the council put them there so that if a potential Darwin award winner
insists on cycling under the bridge sitting dead upright and kills itself they
can say: 'well, we warned people'.

Not the infamous one in Bedford, which I used to get under by bending
low over the handlebars and not looking up?

Colin McKenzie

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Just wondering if the police can charge you if you don't dismount.

Why would you want to dismount while you are cycling?

They won't normally let you into the pub unless you do.

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Just wondering if the police can charge you if you don't dismount.

Why would you want to dismount while you are cycling?

They won't normally let you into the pub unless you do.

That just brought a vision of Jacques Tati to mind.

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Tony Raven said:

Ewan wrote on 03/02/2007 17:28 +0100:

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Tony Raven said:

[email hidden] wrote on 03/02/2007 16:01 +0100:
> Just wondering if the police can charge you if you don't dismount.
>
> I always dismount by the way.
>
No, but it might count against you in assessing liabilty and
damages in an accident. If you dismount at the signs you are
probably the only one here who does. I regard it as a generic
statement for information and do indeed dismount, at the end of the
ride, as it states.

I always read it and think: "Lying b******s".

You mean you never dismount from your bike? Ever?

Lightweight! We don't want you fairweather type cyclists here on this group.

A

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Just wondering if the police can charge you if you don't dismount.

Why would you want to dismount while you are cycling?

They won't normally let you into the pub unless you do.

I wondered why I couldn't get into pubs!

Thanks!

Alan

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On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:16:05 +0000, MatSav <"matthew | dot | savage |

at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com said:

Or, to be ever-so-slightly more correct, the Ordnance Survey [of Great
Britain] six-figure grid reference is approximately TQ 775 622.

No it's not. TQ775622 is on the edge of Chatham. You mean ST775622.

That's OK. I'm sure there must be a steep hill in Chatham, too.

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That's OK. I'm sure there must be a steep hill in Chatham, too.

There's one unimaginatively called 'Chatham Hill', TQ767673, part of
the A2

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That's OK. I'm sure there must be a steep hill in Chatham, too.

There's one unimaginatively called 'Chatham Hill', TQ767673, part of
the A2

Although the sign announcing this fact reads "Chavham Hill", or at least it
did during the Invicta 300 last year :-)

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On 8 Feb, 21:38, "ian henden" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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That's OK. I'm sure there must be a steep hill in Chatham, too.

There's one unimaginatively called 'Chatham Hill', TQ767673, part of
the A2

I can hit 50mph easily on that one.
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