Like Jim I think the Campagnolo pads are better than the Koolstops Salmon so you can beat me too.
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They stop better in the rain, and they hardly pick up any grit. I paid no attention to the embedded grit problem until I saw a friend check his Shimano pads after every wet ride on a holiday some years ago. 'Holy [censored]' I thought when I saw his pads and I checked mine (Campy). No grit. After that I check my pads more regulary and I can say that the Campy pads have almost never any grit embedded in them. After reading good things about the Kool Stop Salmons I tried them once. I was not impressed and they embed grit more easy than the Campy pads I was used to. Probably they are better than the Shimano pads I saw.
I don't know why you bother to look, I can hear the metal being ground away as riders with grit picker-uppers descend. It's that painful scraping sound.
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Beside of all this Koolstop Salmon pads look ugly and it is a sissy color ;-)
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> Like Jim I think the Campagnolo pads are better than the Koolstops > Salmon so you can beat me too.
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They stop better in the rain, and they hardly pick up any grit. I paid no attention to the embedded grit problem until I saw a friend check his Shimano pads after every wet ride on a holiday some years ago. 'Holy [censored]' I thought when I saw his pads and I checked mine (Campy). No grit. After that I check my pads more regulary and I can say that the Campy pads have almost never any grit embedded in them. After reading good things about the Kool Stop Salmons I tried them once. I was not impressed and they embed grit more easy than the Campy pads I was used to. Probably they are better than the Shimano pads I saw.
I don't know why you bother to look, I can hear the metal being ground away as riders with grit picker-uppers descend. It's that painful scraping sound.
Out of curiosity.
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Beside of all this Koolstop Salmon pads look ugly and it is a sissy color ;-)
>> Like Jim I think the Campagnolo pads are better than the Koolstops >> Salmon so you can beat me too.
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> Reason?
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They stop better in the rain, and they hardly pick up any grit. I paid no attention to the embedded grit problem until I saw a friend check his Shimano pads after every wet ride on a holiday some years ago. 'Holy [censored]' I thought when I saw his pads and I checked mine (Campy). No grit. After that I check my pads more regulary and I can say that the Campy pads have almost never any grit embedded in them. After reading good things about the Kool Stop Salmons I tried them once. I was not impressed and they embed grit more easy than the Campy pads I was used to. Probably they are better than the Shimano pads I saw.
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I don't know why you bother to look, I can hear the metal being ground away as riders with grit picker-uppers descend. It's that painful scraping sound.
Out of curiosity.
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Beside of all this Koolstop Salmon pads look ugly and it is a sissy color ;-)
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Well! That settles it for me.
It's a joke Jobst.
No joking around on RBT, Lou. This is *very* serious business! ;-)
On 2007-02-20, Scott <[email hidden]> wrote: > Hi, > Just got a new Specialized Allez road bike. The stock brake pads are > pretty bad and I would like to replace them. I'm looking for > recommendations as to brands / models people like. > > Thanks, > Scott koolstop
nothing is as good.
avoid the salmons. they work fine in the dry, but when it's really wet, prayer will be your best way of stopping in emergency, because koolstop's won't do it for you. campy have the best brake pads. the new shimano's are ok, but they still embed grit in the wet. [but grit is academic when you need to stop but can't.]
Jim, your theory does not reflect my experience as a year-round commuter in Vancouver. Kool Stop salmons are the only pad I run, and I'm pretty picky about braking performance.
-RjC.
whatever works for you. i ran salmons a couple of years ago. in the dry season they were fine. then we had a chronic monsoon here in the bay area. torrential rain. and my experience was that salmons just wouldn't grip when the rim was fully wet. it was just like riding an old steel rimmed bike in the rain. and they embedded grit - photo evidence of which i've posted here before. not a great combination. i reverted to campy pads for the rest of that season and enjoyed great braking, including torrential rain, and didn't grit.
bottom line, no grit is a "nice to have" benefit. ability to stop in all weather however is essential. i therefore assign priority to the latter, and if it's with pads that /also/ have the no-grit benefit, then that's better.
Braking lightly while riding through a mud puddle is the easiest way to clean a rim, while Bon Ami cleanser on a moistened rim does as well. If it is a steep descent, some hard braking will clean things also, but it must be steep to brake hard without stopping.
Fine (#0000) steel or bronze wool is great for cleaning rims. Go around your rim with it while washing your bike with soap and water. Scotchbrite works too but not as effectively.
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avoid the salmons. they work fine in the dry, but when it's really wet, prayer will be your best way of stopping in emergency, because koolstop's won't do it for you. campy have the best brake pads. the new shimano's are ok, but they still embed grit in the wet. [but grit is academic when you need to stop but can't.]
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Jim, your theory does not reflect my experience as a year-round commuter in Vancouver. Kool Stop salmons are the only pad I run, and I'm pretty picky about braking performance.
Me too. We get rained on more often than not, and with multi thousand foot descents everywhere, with 10%-plus grades and hairpins, I need to be able to trust my brakes. The Koolstop salmons work better than anything I've tried, wet or dry.
I hear Campy pads are excellent too though.
I have black Koolstops on my other bike. While they're the next best thing, they're definitely not as good as the salmon. Modulation isn't as good, and they're dirty.
The only problem with Koolstop salmon is they're almost never available at the LBS -- and LBSes wonder why they're losing business to mail order.
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avoid the salmons. they work fine in the dry, but when it's really wet, prayer will be your best way of stopping in emergency, because koolstop's won't do it for you. campy have the best brake pads. the new shimano's are ok, but they still embed grit in the wet. [but grit is academic when you need to stop but can't.]
Jim, your theory does not reflect my experience as a year-round commuter in Vancouver. Kool Stop salmons are the only pad I run, and I'm pretty picky about braking performance.
-RjC.
I commute in the same city and I agree with Jim (horrors). In the wet Kool Stop salmons are scary.
whatever works for you. i ran salmons a couple of years ago. in the dry season they were fine. then we had a chronic monsoon here in the bay area. torrential rain. and my experience was that salmons just wouldn't grip when the rim was fully wet. it was just like riding an old steel rimmed bike in the rain. and they embedded grit - photo evidence of which i've posted here before. not a great combination. i reverted to campy pads for the rest of that season and enjoyed great braking, including torrential rain, and didn't grit.
bottom line, no grit is a "nice to have" benefit. ability to stop in all weather however is essential. i therefore assign priority to the latter, and if it's with pads that /also/ have the no-grit benefit, then that's better.
It puzzles me as the salmon Cool Stop is marketed as a all weather pad material. --
whatever works for you. i ran salmons a couple of years ago. in the dry season they were fine. then we had a chronic monsoon here in the bay area. torrential rain. and my experience was that salmons just wouldn't grip when the rim was fully wet. it was just like riding an old steel rimmed bike in the rain. and they embedded grit - photo evidence of which i've posted here before. not a great combination. i reverted to campy pads for the rest of that season and enjoyed great braking, including torrential rain, and didn't grit.
bottom line, no grit is a "nice to have" benefit. ability to stop in all weather however is essential. i therefore assign priority to the latter, and if it's with pads that /also/ have the no-grit benefit, then that's better.
It puzzles me as the salmon Cool Stop is marketed as a all weather pad material. --
what do they say the actual properties of "all weather pad material" are supposed to be?
Braking lightly while riding through a mud puddle is the easiest way to clean a rim, while Bon Ami cleanser on a moistened rim does as well. If it is a steep descent, some hard braking will clean things also, but it must be steep to brake hard without stopping.
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Fine (#0000) steel or bronze wool is great for cleaning rims. Go around your rim with it while washing your bike with soap and water. Scotchbrite works too but not as effectively.
That may be so, but I was talking about getting rid of brake squeal. A well cleaned rim can squeal as well as another.
Hi, Just got a new Specialized Allez road bike. The stock brake pads are pretty bad and I would like to replace them. I'm looking for recommendations as to brands / models people like.
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On this list, you'll see a thousand threads asking this question, and you'll always hear a hundred people respond in unison, "Kool-Stop Salmon."
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Then Jim Beam will disagree.
Like Jim I think the Campagnolo pads are better than the Koolstops Salmon so you can beat me too.
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avoid the salmons. they work fine in the dry, but when it's really wet, prayer will be your best way of stopping in emergency, because koolstop's won't do it for you. campy have the best brake pads. the new shimano's are ok, but they still embed grit in the wet. [but grit is academic when you need to stop but can't.]
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Jim, your theory does not reflect my experience as a year-round commuter in Vancouver. Kool Stop salmons are the only pad I run, and I'm pretty picky about braking performance.
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-RjC.
I commute in the same city and I agree with Jim (horrors). In the wet Kool Stop salmons are scary.
Hmmm. I ride in the rain all the time (in PDX) and always thought the salmons did a good job -- not perfect, but not scary. I have never tried the Campy pads (not since the old NR days). I use disks now on my main commuter bike.
What was scary for me were cantilevers with STI levers on my old commuter. I never could get those to stop me in the rain no matter how much fussing I did with straddle cables, pads, etc. That's why I switched to disks on my new commuter. -- Jay Beattie.
Hi, Just got a new Specialized Allez road bike. The stock brake pads are pretty bad and I would like to replace them. I'm looking for recommendations as to brands / models people like.
On this list, you'll see a thousand threads asking this question, and you'll always hear a hundred people respond in unison, "Kool-Stop Salmon."
Then Jim Beam will disagree.
Like Jim I think the Campagnolo pads are better than the Koolstops Salmon so you can beat me too.
Lou
No, we won't beat you.
We'll just brake deeper into the corners.
-- Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
Ride your bike with the original pads for some time and they will really improve (for cheaper)
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Hi, Just got a new Specialized Allez road bike. The stock brake pads are pretty bad and I would like to replace them. I'm looking for recommendations as to brands / models people like.
