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Richard Bates said:

The chap wearing the grey jacket, mounted on a red upright, who nodded
"hello" to you at Bitton crossing on Monday 19th (1730 hrs) was me.

If you weren't at that place at that time, then I must have waved to
somebody else. It seems unlikely, though, since there cannot be many
bearded recumbenteers using the path on a regular basis.

Which reminds me: We used to have a slightly dotty secretary at work.
One day she was still at work just as I left. "Oh" she said "you've
changed your shorts". This confused me slightly, and after some
conversation, it turned out she was commenting on the fact I was
wearing all-black shorts. I assured her that I always wore all-black
shorts, but that they weren't all the same pair. "No you don't," she
assured me "you wear those ones with green patches down the side - I
know because I wave to you every morning, but you never wave back".

So if there's a cyclist in Surrey who wears shorts with green patches
and has spent years worrying about a crazed older woman who keeps
frantically gesticulating at him, please accept my apologies.

regards, Ian SMith
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Richard Bates said:

The chap wearing the grey jacket, mounted on a red upright, who nodded
"hello" to you at Bitton crossing on Monday 19th (1730 hrs) was me.

If you weren't at that place at that time, then I must have waved to
somebody else. It seems unlikely, though, since there cannot be many
bearded recumbenteers using the path on a regular basis.

Almost certainly me, in that place at that time on a weekday. Did I nod
back? I usually would.

I don't remember it, though, I'm afraid. I exchange nods with a lot of
cyclists most evenings (including one I see most days wearing a grey
jacket and riding a red upright, who I'm pretty sure isn't you).

Shame I didn't know who it was, I could have stopped for a chat.

--
Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down.
Daddy, why did you put that down?" - Charlie Colyer, age 2

Spelling correction duly noted 😉

Danny Colyer said:

Almost certainly me, in that place at that time on a weekday. Did I nod
back? I usually would.

You did nod back. I crossed over the track and the penny-farthing
dropped. I thought about shouting back to you but figured that a
recumbenteer would have been half a mile away by the time 3 seconds had
passed.

Anyway, having been at uni on Monday, and not having to go into
real-life work until Sunday, I spent a lovely couple of days in Bath. I
discovered two bike shops which I didn't previously know about, had a
mooch around the postal museum and got an inspiration for a piece of
music I'm writing, and visited the roman baths.

Bathwick Hill, leading to the youth hostel, has now defeated me three times!

Richard Bates said:

Spelling correction duly noted 😉

Danny Colyer said:

Almost certainly me, in that place at that time on a weekday. Did I
nod back? I usually would.

You did nod back. I crossed over the track and the penny-farthing
dropped. I thought about shouting back to you but figured that a
recumbenteer would have been half a mile away by the time 3 seconds had
passed.

Anyway, having been at uni on Monday, and not having to go into
real-life work until Sunday, I spent a lovely couple of days in Bath. I
discovered two bike shops which I didn't previously know about, had a
mooch around the postal museum and got an inspiration for a piece of
music I'm writing, and visited the roman baths.

Bathwick Hill, leading to the youth hostel, has now defeated me three
times!

That's why we're going to go *through* it. Still won't lead to the youth
hostel though :-(

http://www.twotunnels.org.uk/

Mark

On Mar 22, 7:30 pm, Richard Bates >

Quoted message said:

Bathwick Hill, leading to the youth hostel, has now defeated me
three times!

It's quite an exciting one to ride down though. :-)

--
Dave...

Richard Bates said:

Quoted message said:

Bathwick Hill, leading to the youth hostel, has now defeated me
three times!

and dkahn400 responded:

Quoted message said:

It's quite an exciting one to ride down though. :-)

Just as long as you don't get some old biddy step in front of you
without looking:
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> and look
for "The case of Richard Brady".

I still maintain that North Road is a better hill for cycling, both up
and down, than Bathwick.

--
Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down.
Daddy, why did you put that down?" - Charlie Colyer, age 2

Danny Colyer wrote on 23/03/2007 18:12 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Richard Bates said:

Quoted message said:

Bathwick Hill, leading to the youth hostel, has now defeated me
three times!

and dkahn400 responded:

Quoted message said:

It's quite an exciting one to ride down though. :-)

Just as long as you don't get some old biddy step in front of you
without looking:
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> and look
for "The case of Richard Brady".

Except that she didn't. The above link says as he "approached a central
traffic island on Bathwick Hill in Bath 66 year old Sonia Tuckett and
her husband Philip stepped into the road". The evidence in Court was
that Mr Tuckett had reached the pavement on the other side when his wife
was hit indicating that they did not step out in front of Mr Brady as
stated above but were crossing the road when Mr Brady appeared going at
high speed down the hill.

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Danny Colyer said:

Richard Bates said:

Quoted message said:

Bathwick Hill, leading to the youth hostel, has now defeated me
three times!

and dkahn400 responded:

Quoted message said:

It's quite an exciting one to ride down though. :-)

Just as long as you don't get some old biddy step in front of you
without looking:
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> and look
for "The case of Richard Brady".

Would it make any difference to the behaviour of your newsreader if you
removed the 'url:' from the beginning of that URL? I ask as I can easily
open <http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> but not
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> with just
one click.

Cheers,
Luke

--
Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET)
Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

Tony Raven said:

Danny Colyer wrote on 23/03/2007 18:12 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just as long as you don't get some old biddy step in front of you
without looking:
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> and look
for "The case of Richard Brady".

Quoted message said:

Except that she didn't. The above link says as he "approached a central
traffic island on Bathwick Hill in Bath 66 year old Sonia Tuckett and
her husband Philip stepped into the road". The evidence in Court was
that Mr Tuckett had reached the pavement on the other side when his wife
was hit indicating that they did not step out in front of Mr Brady as
stated above but were crossing the road when Mr Brady appeared going at
high speed down the hill.

I was particularly astonished at the suggestion that the pedestrians
should have respected the cyclist's right of way. As I understand it,
the Highway Code urges consideration for the vulnerable and the cyclist
should have respected the pedestrians' right to cross the road.

Cheers,
Luke

--
Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET)
Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

Ekul Namsob asked:

Quoted message said:

Would it make any difference to the behaviour of your newsreader if you
removed the 'url:' from the beginning of that URL? I ask as I can easily
open <http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> but not
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> with just
one click.

I like to comply with usenet standards when I know about them. A few
years ago there was a thread here where Simon Brooke explained the
standard for posting url's to usenet. Since then I have made an effort
to comply with that standard, as above. Sorry if your newsreader
doesn't handle it properly.

Out of interest, is MacSOUP happier if I leave a space before the
protocol, i.e.:
<url: http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> ?

--
Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down.
Daddy, why did you put that down?" - Charlie Colyer, age 2

Ekul Namsob said:

I was particularly astonished at the suggestion that the pedestrians
should have respected the cyclist's right of way. As I understand it,
the Highway Code urges consideration for the vulnerable and the cyclist
should have respected the pedestrians' right to cross the road.

That bit bothers me too, on the basis that I know of no circumstances
where a cyclist would have right of way over a pedestrian. That doesn't
make it any less foolish for a pedestrian to step in front of a cyclist.
Although Tony tells us that this was not quite the case here, that's
at odds with everything I read about it at the time (none of which still
seems to be available online, sadly, going by a FWSE search).

--
Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down.
Daddy, why did you put that down?" - Charlie Colyer, age 2

Danny Colyer said:

Ekul Namsob asked:

Quoted message said:

Would it make any difference to the behaviour of your newsreader if you
removed the 'url:' from the beginning of that URL? I ask as I can easily
open <http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> but not
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> with just
one click.

I like to comply with usenet standards when I know about them. A few
years ago there was a thread here where Simon Brooke explained the
standard for posting url's to usenet. Since then I have made an effort
to comply with that standard, as above. Sorry if your newsreader
doesn't handle it properly.

Out of interest, is MacSOUP happier if I leave a space before the
protocol, i.e.:
<url: http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> ?

No. However, the developer of MacSOUP is usually very keen to support
standards. Would you be able to send me a reference that I could send to
him when I let him know about this?

Thanks,
Luke

--
Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET)
Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

Danny Colyer said:

Ekul Namsob asked:

Quoted message said:

Would it make any difference to the behaviour of your newsreader if you
removed the 'url:' from the beginning of that URL? I ask as I can easily
open <http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> but not
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> with just
one click.

I like to comply with usenet standards when I know about them. A few
years ago there was a thread here where Simon Brooke explained the
standard for posting url's to usenet. Since then I have made an effort
to comply with that standard, as above. Sorry if your newsreader
doesn't handle it properly.

Out of interest, is MacSOUP happier if I leave a space before the
protocol, i.e.:
<url: http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> ?

BTW, I've found a useful reference <URL:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.mountain-bike/msg/fa276b2982ea314d?
dmode=source&hl=en > and will send the details there to MacSOUP's
programmer.

Cheers,
Luke

--
Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET)
Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

Danny Colyer said:

Out of interest, is MacSOUP happier if I leave a space before the
protocol, i.e.:
<url: http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> ?

A space before and after works, I've just discovered.

Cheers,
Luke

--
Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET)
Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

Danny Colyer wrote on 23/03/2007 20:39 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Ekul Namsob said:

I was particularly astonished at the suggestion that the pedestrians
should have respected the cyclist's right of way. As I understand it,
the Highway Code urges consideration for the vulnerable and the cyclist
should have respected the pedestrians' right to cross the road.

That bit bothers me too, on the basis that I know of no circumstances
where a cyclist would have right of way over a pedestrian. That doesn't
make it any less foolish for a pedestrian to step in front of a cyclist.
Although Tony tells us that this was not quite the case here, that's at
odds with everything I read about it at the time (none of which still
seems to be available online, sadly, going by a FWSE search).

It was reported in the Bath Chronicle at the time which is where I read
it - should be available in the local library. The Chronicle reported
that in Court Brady admitted he was going fast, admitted that he saw
them and that her husband had already reached the far side of the road
when he hit her and that he thought she should have conceded right of
way to him.

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Ekul Namsob said:

BTW, I've found a useful reference <URL:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.mountain-bike/msg/fa276b2982ea314d?
dmode=source&hl=en > and will send the details there to MacSOUP's
programmer.

You've found exactly the post I was about to post a link to.

Interestingly, TB wraps the url when it's posted like that.

--
Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down.
Daddy, why did you put that down?" - Charlie Colyer, age 2

in message <[email hidden]>,

Ekul Namsob (') said:

Danny Colyer said:

Richard Bates said:

>Bathwick Hill, leading to the youth hostel, has now defeated me
>three times!

and dkahn400 responded:

Quoted message said:

It's quite an exciting one to ride down though. :-)

Just as long as you don't get some old biddy step in front of you
without looking:
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> and look
for "The case of Richard Brady".

Would it make any difference to the behaviour of your newsreader if you
removed the 'url:' from the beginning of that URL? I ask as I can easily
open <http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> but not
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> with just
one click.

The standard (in this case RFC1738) says that

<URL:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html>

is correct (and that your news/mail client should be able to select it) and
that anything else isn't. So your news client is wrong - and broken. You
should change it.

Having said that, however, many news clients are broken - largely because
Microsoft had a long campaign in the late nineteen nineties and early
years of this century to break as many Internet standards as possible, and
many people who should have known better just copied them.

If you want a standards compliant Internet on which we can all communicate
no matter whose software we buy, you need to stick to standards. If you
just want to communicate with other MacSoup users, do your own thing.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Wise man with foot in mouth use opportunity to clean toes.
;; the Worlock

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<[email hidden]>, Ekul

Namsob (') said:

Tony Raven said:

Danny Colyer wrote on 23/03/2007 18:12 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just as long as you don't get some old biddy step in front of you
without looking:
<url:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html> and look
for "The case of Richard Brady".

Quoted message said:

Except that she didn't. The above link says as he "approached a central
traffic island on Bathwick Hill in Bath 66 year old Sonia Tuckett and
her husband Philip stepped into the road". The evidence in Court was
that Mr Tuckett had reached the pavement on the other side when his wife
was hit indicating that they did not step out in front of Mr Brady as
stated above but were crossing the road when Mr Brady appeared going at
high speed down the hill.

I was particularly astonished at the suggestion that the pedestrians
should have respected the cyclist's right of way. As I understand it,
the Highway Code urges consideration for the vulnerable and the cyclist
should have respected the pedestrians' right to cross the road.

Agreed.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; Diplomacy, American: see Intelligence, Military

Simon Brooke wrote on 24/03/2007 08:27 +0100:

Quoted message said:

The standard (in this case RFC1738) says that

<URL:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/motorcarnage/justice.html>

is correct (and that your news/mail client should be able to select it) and
that anything else isn't. So your news client is wrong - and broken. You
should change it.

Works fine in Mozilla Thunderbird

Quoted message said:

If you want a standards compliant Internet on which we can all communicate
no matter whose software we buy, you need to stick to standards. If you
just want to communicate with other MacSoup users, do your own thing.

And while not specifically a newsreader Mozilla Thunderbird is compliant
and available on Windows, Mac and Linux platforms.

--
Tony

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has
taken place"
George Bernard Shaw