Carbon Footprint

John Thompson said:

An interesting article on a future without cars:

Kunstler argues that the coming age of energy scarcity will change
everything about how we live in this country -- most of all our
dependency on automobiles.

http://www.alternet.org/story/50049/

Interesting and depressing. I think I'll sell all my stock and buy
gold. And a rifle. And move into the hills of Montana and raise goats
and sheep.

dgk said:

Interesting and depressing. I think I'll sell all my stock and buy
gold. And a rifle. And move into the hills of Montana and raise goats
and sheep.

Don't sell your oil and defense stocks
for a while.

Robert

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dgk said:

Interesting and depressing. I think I'll sell all my stock and buy
gold. And a rifle. And move into the hills of Montana and raise goats
and sheep.

Don't sell your oil and defense stocks
for a while.

Robert

Gold. Just steal a ton of catalytic converters. They each have about
$100 of Platinum in them. A very precious metal and Detroit found a way
to waste it.
Bill Baka

Jeremy Parker said:

I understand that making gasoline form coal becomes economical when
the oil price gets to be about $60. There's quite a lot of coal
about

Last I heard the price of oil was something like $70, so we should be
seeing this happen any day now if it is true. But somehow I doubt that
the process has really been developed to the point of being feasable.
Apparently it was used by the Germans during WWII when we cut off their
oil supplies, but it was a filthy process.

Although there is quite a bit of coal about, they tend now to just
remove all the land above it to get at the coal. Lovely future we have
in store.

--

David L. Johnson

If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach
a conclusion. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Jeremy Parker said:

I understand that making gasoline form coal becomes economical
when the oil price gets to be about $60. There's quite a lot of
coal about

Last I heard the price of oil was something like $70, so we should
be seeing this happen any day now if it is true. But somehow I
doubt that the process has really been developed to the point of
being feasable. Apparently it was used by the Germans during WWII
when we cut off their oil supplies, but it was a filthy process.

[snip]

And the same process was used in South Africa when it was being
boycotted over apartheid. One didn't hear of driving being greatly
affected by that. That was recent enough that no doubt Sasol, the
local oil company there, would still have a fair amount of expertise

Jeremy parker

Jeremy Parker said:

I understand that making gasoline form coal becomes economical when
the oil price gets to be about $60. There's quite a lot of coal
about

It's only economical if you ignore the pollution costs. And using it
would dump even more hitherto sequestered CO2 into the atmosphere.

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Jeremy Parker said:

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Jeremy Parker said:

I understand that making gasoline form coal becomes economical
when the oil price gets to be about $60. There's quite a lot of
coal about

Last I heard the price of oil was something like $70, so we should
be seeing this happen any day now if it is true. But somehow I
doubt that the process has really been developed to the point of
being feasable. Apparently it was used by the Germans during WWII
when we cut off their oil supplies, but it was a filthy process.

[snip]

And the same process was used in South Africa when it was being
boycotted over apartheid. One didn't hear of driving being greatly
affected by that. That was recent enough that no doubt Sasol, the
local oil company there, would still have a fair amount of expertise

And that worked to a large extent because the SA apartheid government
didn't give a rip about the environmental impact in the Bantustans where
the coal was mined and processed.

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Jeremy Parker said:

I understand that making gasoline form coal becomes economical when
the oil price gets to be about $60. There's quite a lot of coal
about

It's only economical if you ignore the pollution costs. And using it
would dump even more hitherto sequestered CO2 into the atmosphere.

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Power production from coal mines is not what it use to be.
they are progressive too