Semi-bent Hase Pino questions

what does THIS button do? said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
She had a good enough time (she's still my girlfriend etc) but
remarked that she'd like to see something more than my rythmically
pumping muscular ass. Hard to believe but ... oh and she wants a
freehwheeling stoker.

So i stopped by one of my LBSs, The Bike Rack, and took a test ride on
the Hase Pimo <http://thebikerack.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=4839>. Not
cheap. Very not cheap, but i found the craftsmanship/fab/engineering
to be really nice and enjoyed the couple miles i put on it.

Convincing my SO that it's worth ~$4600 post tax... well, that calls
for another kind of engineering, mostly social.

I'd like to hear honest opinions. Do you have one? Does a friend?
thumbs up or down. I'm guessing they should hold their value fairly
well?

Honestly, we'll probably end up with a $1500 conventionally configured
tandem, mostly because i'm not all that persuasive.

TIA, etc,

.max

When we tried a standard tandem the big issue was for us was air flow,
the captain blocking the stoker. This design seems to address this
issue and solve it. TMMV

what does THIS button do? said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
She had a good enough time (she's still my girlfriend etc) but
remarked that she'd like to see something more than my rythmically
pumping muscular ass. Hard to believe but ... oh and she wants a
freehwheeling stoker.

I don't have any trike or tandem so I may not know what I'm talking
about, but that hasn't stopped me much before.

Is the point here to do hard training, or just to ride together?
For tandem use, I tend to like the idea of the trained recumbent delta
trikes best. Yes they're not fast, but that isn't the point of such riding.

Consider the advantages over a conventional tandem: each of you gets "a
trike" and adjusts it to fit yourselves, each of you gets your own
separate gears (and brakes), either can captain or stoke, and each trike
can still be used separately if desired. Your legs will still get a
workout but you won't need padded shorts, and there's no hand pressure
or neck pain. Each of you can pedal as much or as little as you want, as
long as /somebody's/ pedaling.

You'd want to test-ride them first of course; trikes can seem slow
(especially up hills) but then again,,, there's no need to /balance/ so
going up hills slower isn't that big of a drawback.

While some of the more expensive models like Kettweisels have the
connectors available, you might need to make them for cheaper trikes but
this isn't a major task. IIRC the Sun trikes go for as little as $850 or
so each.
~

DougC said:

Consider the advantages over a conventional tandem: each of you gets "a
trike" and adjusts it to fit yourselves, each of you gets your own
separate gears (and brakes), either can captain or stoke, and each trike
can still be used separately if desired. Your legs will still get a
workout but you won't need padded shorts, and there's no hand pressure
or neck pain. Each of you can pedal as much or as little as you want, as
long as /somebody's/ pedaling.

Not that I don't like the idea, but it's still the case that it
will be less efficient: 5:2 in terms of rolling resistance and
quite a bit heavier, and total storage space at home considerably
greater than a Pino.

There's a Pino review in VeloVision 34 (the titanium one). IIRC
they were pretty impressed with it.

One advantage, ISTM, is stoker and captain should be moderately
interchangeable compared to many tandems.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Quoted message said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
TIA, etc,

.max

"Were you the couple that were following me on the trail between Batavia and
Geneva?" asked the old fat guy on a Trice.

I guess six or seven large for a couple of Kettweisels hooked up as a five
wheel tandem would be out of the question?

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Peter Clinch said:

Not that I don't like the idea, but it's still the case that it will be
less efficient: 5:2 in terms of rolling resistance and quite a bit
heavier, and total storage space at home considerably greater than a Pino.

Yea but like I said--the efficiency is not the point here, riding with
someone of uneven abilities is.

If it was all about efficiency, the girlfriend would stay home and he'd
be riding with another guy matched to his fitness and abilities.
~

what does THIS button do? said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
She had a good enough time (she's still my girlfriend etc) but
remarked that she'd like to see something more than my rythmically
pumping muscular ass. Hard to believe but ... oh and she wants a
freehwheeling stoker.

So i stopped by one of my LBSs, The Bike Rack, and took a test ride on
the Hase Pimo <http://thebikerack.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=4839>. Not
cheap. Very not cheap, but i found the craftsmanship/fab/engineering
to be really nice and enjoyed the couple miles i put on it.

Convincing my SO that it's worth ~$4600 post tax... well, that calls
for another kind of engineering, mostly social.

I'd like to hear honest opinions. Do you have one? Does a friend?
thumbs up or down. I'm guessing they should hold their value fairly
well?

Honestly, we'll probably end up with a $1500 conventionally configured
tandem, mostly because i'm not all that persuasive.

Josh Putnam occasionally posts in here and has a few romantic stories
involving his current wife and a similar tandem, (a Bilenky Viewpoint
tandem, which has a similar design). http://www.bilenky.com/viewpnt.html
There's some pictures here
http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/bikepics/bikepic.html

Note the Viewpoint allows the captain and stoker to pedal at different
cadences, which is why you see some of the illustrations with a handicapped
person as the stoker in front.

--
Mike Kruger
An opinion should be the result of a thought, not a substitute for it.
[Jef Mallet]

gotbent' aka 'The old fat guy on a Trice said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
TIA, etc,

Quoted message said:

.max

"Were you the couple that were following me on the trail between Batavia and
Geneva?" asked the old fat guy on a Trice.

East or West Bank? (The east bank is smoother, but with more funky
turns).

Three (3) wheels are helpful when dealing with the "features" on the
trail.

Quoted message said:

I guess six or seven large for a couple of Kettweisels hooked up as a five
wheel tandem would be out of the question?

For that price, two-thirds of a Trice X2 Tandem [1] a Greenspeed GTT
[2], or the Organic Engines Troika [3] ( with a few thousand left
over) could be had. Making the turns on a long tandem trike to get on
the Quarry Park crossing could be a challenge, as would carrying it up
or down the steps to/from the Wilson Street crossing.

[1] <http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/custom_trikes/x2.htm>.
[2] <http://www.greenspeed.com.au/gtt.html>.
[3] <http://organicengines.com/products/troika-tandem/>.

--
Tom Sherman - Formerly in Batavia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

DougC said:

Yea but like I said--the efficiency is not the point here, riding with
someone of uneven abilities is.

If it was all about efficiency, the girlfriend would stay home and he'd
be riding with another guy matched to his fitness and abilities.

Not the whole point, but it can be /part/ of the point. You ride
tandem because you want to go on a nice tour together, and you can
account for more values of "nice tour" if you can go further for
the same effort. Round here, for example, your horizons for nice
day tours are greatly increased if you're happy to do over ~35
miles simply because of the way the geography is laid out.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

what does THIS button do? said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
She had a good enough time (she's still my girlfriend etc) but
remarked that she'd like to see something more than my rythmically
pumping muscular ass. Hard to believe but ... oh and she wants a
freehwheeling stoker.

Can you swap places so she gets the open view and you look at her ass?

Roos

Roos Eisma said:

what does THIS button do? said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
She had a good enough time (she's still my girlfriend etc) but
remarked that she'd like to see something more than my rythmically
pumping muscular ass. Hard to believe but ... oh and she wants a
freehwheeling stoker.

Can you swap places so she gets the open view and you look at her ass?

Do Medical Physics IT Officers enjoy that view?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

what does THIS button do? said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
She had a good enough time (she's still my girlfriend etc) but
remarked that she'd like to see something more than my rythmically
pumping muscular ass. Hard to believe but ... oh and she wants a
freehwheeling stoker.

So i stopped by one of my LBSs, The Bike Rack, and took a test ride on
the Hase Pimo <http://thebikerack.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=4839>. Not
cheap. Very not cheap, but i found the craftsmanship/fab/engineering
to be really nice and enjoyed the couple miles i put on it.

Convincing my SO that it's worth ~$4600 post tax... well, that calls
for another kind of engineering, mostly social.

A similar bike in a similar price range: <http://www.bilenky.com/
viewpnt.html>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

Roos Eisma said:

what does THIS button do? said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
She had a good enough time (she's still my girlfriend etc) but
remarked that she'd like to see something more than my rythmically
pumping muscular ass. Hard to believe but ... oh and she wants a
freehwheeling stoker.

Can you swap places so she gets the open view and you look at her ass?

Quoted message said:

Do Medical Physics IT Officers enjoy that view?

Our attempts at sharing an open canoe and a double kayak strongly suggest
that a tandem bicycle may not work very well...

Roos

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

On May 12, 4:24 am, Roos Eisma wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Can you swap places so she gets the open view and you look at her ass?

Do Medical Physics IT Officers enjoy that view?

We haven't tried a conventional (or indeed any) tandem together as
yet, but since I'm the short one that's the way around we'd be
unless we got a custom build. At least in theory I don't mind... ;-)

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

gotbent said:

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Quoted message said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
TIA, etc,

"Were you the couple that were following me on the trail between Batavia and
Geneva?" asked the old fat guy on a Trice.

mmm... possibly?. We rode from Mill Race Cyclery in Geneva along the
east bank up to the prairie path junction in Elgin and back, taking
the west side of the river back to the Great Western and then across
to the east bank in St. Charles and back home.

Are you part of that bent gang i see on weekend mornings? I often see
a cluster of 3~8 bent riders heading south along the east side of the
Fox on (mostly) weekends when i'm riding home from my midnight shifts
at Flab. I always say hello en passant.
....
Ya, i forgot to mention in the original article, the reason we're
looking at tandems is because my grilf and i have fairly different
levels of bike-fu.
....
She offered a tepid objection regarding the price of a Hase (and by
extension the Bilenky), but she didn't say no, so that's a yes.

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

<http://thebikerack.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=4839>

Quoted message said:

A similar bike in a similar price range: <http://www.bilenky.com/
viewpnt.html>.

I've seen a Viewpoint in action on the flats on RAGBRAI, and the
riders really seemed to like it. They were hauling ass, too! I know
my grilf would like the added flexibility of the independant
gearing.

Is there much difference in controllability or frame reliability
between the Pino and the Viewpoint?

I ask because I noticed Bilenky has a much more open geometry
quadrangle frame, with the stoker almost over the front axle compared
to the triangle-framed Hase, whose stoker sits a bit further behind
the front wheel. Not that i really expect i'd ever operate either
hard enough to reach a perfornance limit... Very similar bikes,
definitely different approaches to the problem.

thanks for the replies, all.

..max

Peter Clinch said:

Not that I don't like the idea, but it's still the case that it
will be less efficient: 5:2 in terms of rolling resistance

Not exactly. RR is not proportional to the number of tires, but
rather to the weight borne by the tires. Trikes scrub more than
bikes, and this will increase resistance when traveling in anything
other than a straight line. So the conjoined 'bent trikes will have
more RR because they are trikes, but not because they have more
tires.

Chalo

gotbent said:

I guess six or seven large for a couple of Kettweisels hooked up as a five
wheel tandem would be out of the question?

Good God, is that what they cost? That sure makes a Schwinn Twinn
with cracked tires and a broken Bendix two-speed look a lot more
appealing.

Chalo

In article <[email hidden]>,

what does THIS button do? said:

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

<http://thebikerack.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=4839>

Quoted message said:

A similar bike in a similar price range: <http://www.bilenky.com/
viewpnt.html>.

I've seen a Viewpoint in action on the flats on RAGBRAI, and the
riders really seemed to like it. They were hauling ass, too! I know
my grilf would like the added flexibility of the independant
gearing.

A note on this point: da Vinci makes a line of conventional tandems with
"independent coasting" drivetrains. Not quite the same as separate
gearing.

http://www.davincitandems.com/

My lovely bride and I also own a tandem, but so far it has only seen
light duty. It is not as unusual as a Viewpoint, but still unusual:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcousine/413380853/

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to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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gotbent said:

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Quoted message said:

I recently successfully took my bestest girl out for a tandem ride up
the Fox River Trail on a conventional tandem.
TIA, etc,

"Were you the couple that were following me on the trail between Batavia
and
Geneva?" asked the old fat guy on a Trice.

mmm... possibly?. We rode from Mill Race Cyclery in Geneva along the
east bank up to the prairie path junction in Elgin and back, taking
the west side of the river back to the Great Western and then across
to the east bank in St. Charles and back home.

Are you part of that bent gang i see on weekend mornings? I often see
a cluster of 3~8 bent riders heading south along the east side of the
Fox on (mostly) weekends when i'm riding home from my midnight shifts
at Flab. I always say hello en passant.
...
Ya, i forgot to mention in the original article, the reason we're
looking at tandems is because my grilf and i have fairly different
levels of bike-fu.
...
She offered a tepid objection regarding the price of a Hase (and by
extension the Bilenky), but she didn't say no, so that's a yes.

Different couple then, as we were heading north towards ST Chas from the
Batavia end. I'm not part of the Sunday posse, but that might be the bunch
I rode with on Wed nights a few years ago. They would drive down from Elgin
and hook up at Fabyan Park. For a while they moved the meeting point more
towards Geneva, which pushed the ride to/ride from distance a bit beyond my
comfort envelope so I mostly ride solo now.

The nice thing about a pair of Hases is that if (heaven forbid) you ever
break up, you can uncouple the stoker and easily turn it back into a single,
ready for the next GF, or to sell.

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