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  1. Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks? It's
    healthy for you as well as for your pocket and for the environment.
    And it can be combined with public transportation for greater
    flexibility.

    Well, Paris is just making that possible, but France is the site of
    the Tour de France. That surely is behind that overdue decision. But
    hey, we do have a champion or two to show. And we even have some
    politicians who are into bicycling and not SUVing.

    Reality check, it ain't happening here in your lifetime. Too many
    vested interests.

    That would take a revolution, but that's another subject...

    "Official Washington likes to think that it is bicycle-friendly. But
    we often hear a different story, involving dodging bricks, menacing
    drivers, annoying registrations, and brazen theives. For all but the
    most hardcore cyclists among us, the thought of negotiating D.C.'s
    streets on two wheels is harrowing, which is a shame. Washington is
    blessed with compact development, historic neighborhoods, and
    beautiful scenery which may be a bit spread out to enjoy on foot, but
    is easily covered by bike. Many who would love to tour the miles
    between Arlington Cemetary and the Capitol and beyond on two wheels
    are relegated to tour busses and Metro, which both limits their
    mobility and annoys the hell out of commuters. So, in the spirit of
    the upcoming Bike to Work Day on May 18, we pass on a solution from
    across the pond: municipal bikes.

    In Paris, city officials have long wrestled with similar issues:
    Thousands of sightseers filling the roads with cars (and the air with
    exhaust) while attempting to visit its many historic sites. In
    response, the Parisian goverment is launching an effort this summer to
    provide cheap rental bikes. Lots of them.

    Quoted message said:

    From WaPo:

    On July 15, the day after Bastille Day, Parisians will wake up to
    discover thousands of low-cost rental bikes at hundreds of high-tech
    bicycle stations scattered throughout the city, an ambitious program
    to cut traffic, reduce pollution, improve parking and enhance the
    city's image as a greener, quieter, more relaxed place.

    By the end of the year, organizers and city officials say, there
    should be 20,600 bikes at 1,450 stations -- or about one station every
    250 yards across the entire city. Based on experience elsewhere --
    particularly in Lyon, France's third-largest city, which launched a
    similar system two years ago -- regular users of the bikes will ride
    them almost for free.

    At first, we cringe at the thought of hundreds of street-clogging lost
    tourists and a cottage industry of bike thefts. With more examination,
    though, there's a lot to like. Providing bikes in those numbers
    creates a critical mass that changes the way the city deals with them
    -- pushing DDOT to crate a more continuous and extensive bike network
    in the city. Streets and paths appropriate for bikers would get even
    more so, which pulls bicycles off of streets that aren't, lessening
    the dangerous competition with autos.

    In Denmark, Copenhagen's City Bikes program has been established for
    years, resulting in huge shifts in transportation, pollution, and the
    city's image. As for theft, both Copenhagen and Helsinki's bicycle
    programs have actually reduced it. The free bike use provided by the
    program both eliminates the need for theft and removes a considerable
    market for resale.

    Now that we've got a triathlete Mayor, isn't it time to get Washington
    some bikes?"

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  2. "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks?

    Go to India to fulfill your dream. They do that now. You can even lock
    your bicycle up at the train station and let it sit in the rain all day for
    a few cents.

  3. George Conklin said:


    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks?

    Go to India to fulfill your dream. They do that now. You can even lock
    your bicycle up at the train station and let it sit in the rain all day for
    a few cents.

    And for the obverse: come visit cities of the like of Vancouver BC,
    Seattle WA, and Portland OR in the fall, winter, and spring.

    Why the [censored] would anyone ride a bicycle, and risk getting
    drowned in any month from October to April?

    The Bicycle Lobby lives in a Dream World.

  4. One of the obstacles with regard to using a bicycle in my town is
    that the local shopping centers forbid them. When I asked one of
    the shopping center's management for the reason they're ban
    bicycles from their property, they told me that their insurance
    requires it.

    On May 16, 11:16 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks? It's
    healthy for you as well as for your pocket and for the environment.
    And it can be combined with public transportation for greater
    flexibility.

  5. In rec.bicycles.misc Nobody said:
    George Conklin said:


    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks?

    Go to India to fulfill your dream. They do that now. You can even lock
    your bicycle up at the train station and let it sit in the rain all day for
    a few cents.

    And for the obverse: come visit cities of the like of Vancouver BC,
    Seattle WA, and Portland OR in the fall, winter, and spring.

    Oh, you mean like where I commute by bike year round? And where I see
    people also commuting year round by bike? If you live in Seattle, you
    don't let little things like rain stop you from doing things.

    Quoted message said:

    Why the [censored] would anyone ride a bicycle, and risk getting
    drowned in any month from October to April?

    -- copied from a previous post of mine --

    My reasons look more like this:
    1. Enjoyment
    2. Exercise as part of everyday life [1]
    3. Money saving - I save a shedload of money by not having a second car.
    4. Ease of parking [3]
    5. I enjoy working on my bikes - I'm mechanically inclined
    6. The social aspect - I see and talk to people on my bike I would never
    get a chance to see in a car.[4]
    7. It is often faster. In many cases [5] I get home faster from work
    than the people driving.[6]
    8. Pastry - I eat pastry instead of filling my car with gasoline.
    9. Engineering reasons [7]
    10. I don't like driving. [8]
    11. Greeny-weeny reasons.
    12. By riding my bike I build up self-righteousness points that i can
    spend on making my friends feel bad about themselves for driving.
    [9]

    Quoted message said:

    The Bicycle Lobby lives in a Dream World.

    I would say in a better world, but you're allowed your opinion.

    And god, can't you people stop replying to DQ's trolls? Killfile the
    idiot already.

    [1] I used to weigh 280 lbs, I weigh about 200 now. My father and
    brother are both type II diabetics. [2]
    [2] Additionally I'm a computer programmer, so my everyday job is very
    sedentary.
    [3] No joke this. You try and fight for parking at my favorite Asian
    grocer with the little old Chinese ladies. F$#% that noise. I roll up
    and park right at the front of the store. Parking at Pike Place market
    is a dream on the bicycle.
    [4] Footnote elided
    [5] Baseball games, snow, heavy rains, wind storms. This last winter
    many of my coworkers were trapped for many hours on roads completely
    jammed with traffic caused by downed trees and powerlines. One poor guy
    spent most of the night in his car. I rolled up to the downed sections
    picked up my bike, walked around, and was home about 15 minutes later
    than usual.
    [6] The best case - where the highway was completely empty - it used to
    take me 25 minutes to get to work. It takes 40 minutes by bike. 30
    minutes extra a day. In return I get 80 minuts of quality exercise I
    enjoy. And of course on the many days where traffic was not so good it
    could take much much longer in the car.
    [7] Using a 3000 lb car to move a single 200 lb person from point to
    point is just an inefficient solution. It's always grated at my
    engineering sensibilities. Not to mention the huge amount of
    infrastructure needed.
    [8] I'm far too concious of just how much damage you can do with a car
    to yourself of other people. Driving is fine at 2am when I'm the only
    idiot on the road, but how often does that happen?
    [9] That's a joke people. God, don't you people have any sense of humour
    at all?

    --
    Dane Buson - [email hidden]
    Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
    -- Dykstra

  6. On 16 May 2007 17:56:11 -0700, in misc.transport.urban-transit
    drydem <[email hidden]> wrote in
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    One of the obstacles with regard to using a bicycle in my town is
    that the local shopping centers forbid them. When I asked one of
    the shopping center's management for the reason they're ban
    bicycles from their property, they told me that their insurance
    requires it.

    Ask them for the evidence. Tell them you want to see the insurance
    policy that says that. If the policy actually says that, then start
    screaming to your state's insurance commissioner's office. There is no
    reason to allow such a limitation -- still my guess is that he made it
    up to deflect responsibility.

    Quoted message said:

    On May 16, 11:16 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks? It's
    healthy for you as well as for your pocket and for the environment.
    And it can be combined with public transportation for greater
    flexibility.

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nobody said:
    George Conklin said:


    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks?

    Go to India to fulfill your dream. They do that now. You can even lock
    your bicycle up at the train station and let it sit in the rain all day for
    a few cents.

    And for the obverse: come visit cities of the like of Vancouver BC,
    Seattle WA, and Portland OR in the fall, winter, and spring.

    Why the [censored] would anyone ride a bicycle, and risk getting
    drowned in any month from October to April?

    As a lifelong cycling car-free Vancouverite, I avow bicycling
    is my best option in wet weather. My inexpensive but effective
    rain gear keeps me nice & dry -- drier than if I hoof it.
    Fenders, and turning the bike lights on (even in the gloomy/
    overcast/stormy/rainy daytime) complete my wet weather
    defense system.

    And cycling in the rain is much more pleasant than riding on
    some steamy, crowded, jerky, disease-ridden, slow public
    transit bus.

    Vancouver drivers and cyclists are becoming quite well
    habituated to the presence of each other. From what
    I've read and heard, the same seems to be in effect in
    Seattle and Portland (OR). I do know for sure that
    each of these cities enjoy thriving bicycling cultures.

    Quoted message said:

    The Bicycle Lobby lives in a Dream World.

    I note many drivers experience a false sense of privacy
    as they sit in their cars, whistfully picking their noses.
    Dream world indeed!

    Anyways, we're not big enough to have a "Lobby" (despite
    the grandiose affectations of such as the League of
    American Bicyclists.) At best we have a bunch of
    hat-in-hand advocates who can't even agree on what's
    best for the bicycling community.

    I think it's because there are at least /two/ major
    bicycling communities (probably more,) each with
    their respective needs & wants, and the advocates
    unsuccessfully try to generalize what's best for all,
    and end up competing against each other. So we're
    also too fragmented to have a Lobby.

    I used to have inclinations toward cycling advocacy.
    Now I have inclinations toward what's good for the
    City in which I live -- and citizens' mobility within
    the City is a big part of "what's good". It doesn't
    matter to the property-tax-paying businesses in the
    City how their clienteles get there, as long as they
    and their money get there.

    I guess this is where some driver might pipe up and
    say: "I can't get there soon enough with all these
    bikes in my way!"

    And some cycling advocate might say: "I can't get there
    at all with all these cars in my way!"

    And then there'll be those who hold their peace, and
    quietly, safely get to where they want to be, regardless
    of their transport of choice. No fuss, no muss, in all
    kinds of weather.

    A pleasant urban environment that doesn't get its citizens
    anxiously grinding their teeth in their sleep or coming down
    with athsma is also good.

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  8. On May 16, 2:08 pm, "George Conklin" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks?

    Go to India to fulfill your dream. They do that now. You can even lock
    your bicycle up at the train station and let it sit in the rain all day for
    a few cents.

    Wow George your a [censored] not going to lie.

  9. In rec.bicycles.misc Mr.Cool Defender of Cities said:

    On May 16, 2:08 pm, "George Conklin" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks?

    Go to India to fulfill your dream. They do that now. You can even lock
    your bicycle up at the train station and let it sit in the rain all day for
    a few cents.

    Wow George your a [censored] not going to lie.

    That should be "Wow George, you're a [censored]. I'm not going to lie."

    See how much more erudite you sound now? [1]

    It's "your", as in "your crack pipe".

    It's "you're", as in "you're dumb as a bag of hammers".

    [1] I'm not a member of the George Conklin Fan Club, but don't mangle
    the language for Jehu's sake.

    --
    Dane Buson - [email hidden]
    "A University without students is like an ointment without a fly."
    -- Ed Nather, professor of astronomy at UT Austin

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dane Buson said:
    In rec.bicycles.misc Nobody said:
    George Conklin said:


    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    > cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks?

    Go to India to fulfill your dream. They do that now. You can even lock
    your bicycle up at the train station and let it sit in the rain all day for
    a few cents.

    And for the obverse: come visit cities of the like of Vancouver BC,
    Seattle WA, and Portland OR in the fall, winter, and spring.

    Oh, you mean like where I commute by bike year round? And where I see
    people also commuting year round by bike? If you live in Seattle, you
    don't let little things like rain stop you from doing things.

    Quoted message said:

    Why the [censored] would anyone ride a bicycle, and risk getting
    drowned in any month from October to April?

    -- copied from a previous post of mine --

    I hardly ever get drowned between October and April :-)

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  11. donquijote1954 wrote:

    Didn't you say you were leaving Usenet? (Or at least the cycling
    newsgroups?)

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bill Sornson said:

    donquijote1954 wrote:

    Didn't you say you were leaving Usenet? (Or at least the cycling
    newsgroups?)

    That was Bill B. I picture him tearfully hugging
    the hood of his 440 Charger[*] and proclaiming: "I'll
    never leave you! 'Til the end of time! You 'n me!"

    DonQui just said he was quitting riding his
    bike 'cuz he couldn't hack it. But apparently
    he still fancies himself as some sort of lyric,
    all-talk/no-walk revolutionary/[censored]-disturber
    who wants other people to do his "revolution"
    for him.

    cheers,
    Tom

    [*] Gas in Vancouver is $1.30+(Cdn)/litre

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  13. Tom Keats said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bill Sornson said:

    donquijote1954 wrote:

    Didn't you say you were leaving Usenet? (Or at least the cycling
    newsgroups?)

    That was Bill B. I picture him tearfully hugging
    the hood of his 440 Charger[*] and proclaiming: "I'll
    never leave you! 'Til the end of time! You 'n me!"

    Hey, my very first car was a (used) 1968 Dodge Charger with a 440.
    (Fire-engine red, black vinyl top.) I'm truly lucky to have survived
    teenage stupidity and that much power. (Especially with relatively skinny
    14" wheels/tires.)

    Quoted message said:

    DonQui just said he was quitting riding his
    bike 'cuz he couldn't hack it. But apparently
    he still fancies himself as some sort of lyric,
    all-talk/no-walk revolutionary/[censored]-disturber
    who wants other people to do his "revolution"
    for him.

    Ah, I thought he included a promise to take his stylings elsewhere as part
    of the parting. My bad.

    Bill "anyone taking bets on when Mensa Baka will be backa?" S.

  14. Don't hold your breath for America. With our obesity rates, lack of
    adequate cycling facilities, along with our worship of the automobile,
    there may not be much happening in the near future. I think what
    America needs is a totally CAR-FREE city. If an investor decided to
    take this on, he would have instant advertising, merely from the
    publicity.
    ----
    Jim Gagnepain
    www.OilFreeandHappy.com

    On May 16, 12:16 pm, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks? It's
    healthy for you as well as for your pocket and for the environment.
    And it can be combined with public transportation for greater
    flexibility.

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bill Sornson said:
    Tom Keats said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bill Sornson said:

    donquijote1954 wrote:

    Didn't you say you were leaving Usenet? (Or at least the cycling
    newsgroups?)

    That was Bill B. I picture him tearfully hugging
    the hood of his 440 Charger[*] and proclaiming: "I'll
    never leave you! 'Til the end of time! You 'n me!"

    Hey, my very first car was a (used) 1968 Dodge Charger with a 440.
    (Fire-engine red, black vinyl top.) I'm truly lucky to have survived
    teenage stupidity and that much power. (Especially with relatively skinny
    14" wheels/tires.)

    Bill still Peter Pan'dly lingers there.

    My very first car would have been a '48 Canadian Willys jeep
    with a real Jeep engine c/w armoured oil pan. Handed down
    from father to son to son. I would have been the next son,
    but my mom gave the ol' death trap away to some "friends"
    she didn't really like, before I could get my hands on it.
    It was a hardtop faux woody. One of its characteristics
    was that it could run on three wheels should one fall off --
    which sometimes happened. Another other was, you could flick
    a cigarette toward the windshield and it would instantly get
    sucked out the no-draft.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    DonQui just said he was quitting riding his
    bike 'cuz he couldn't hack it. But apparently
    he still fancies himself as some sort of lyric,
    all-talk/no-walk revolutionary/[censored]-disturber
    who wants other people to do his "revolution"
    for him.

    Ah, I thought he included a promise to take his stylings elsewhere as part
    of the parting. My bad.

    He was asked to, but his reply was typically wishy-washy.

    Quoted message said:

    Bill "anyone taking bets on when Mensa Baka will be backa?" S.

    Mention of Dodge 440s will be irresistable to him,
    that ol' fat-ass SUV NASCAR Lance Armstrong.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  16. (Tom Keats) said:

    [*] Gas in Vancouver is $1.30+(Cdn)/litre

    Dear Tom,

    If I'd known there'd be math, I'd have studied ;-)

    Any way you can convert that into a more digestible unit of
    measurement, like "Tim Horton's Jelly-filled's and a cup of coffee per
    US Gallon" for me?

    Thanks,

    Neil

  17. "Dane Buson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In rec.bicycles.misc Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities] <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On May 16, 2:08 pm, "George Conklin" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    > Will we ever see the day when American cities have thousands of
    > cyclists going up and down the street without unnecessary risks?

    Go to India to fulfill your dream. They do that now. You can even lock
    your bicycle up at the train station and let it sit in the rain all day
    for
    a few cents.

    Wow George your a [censored] not going to lie.

    That should be "Wow George, you're a [censored]. I'm not going to lie."

    See how much more erudite you sound now? [1]

    It's "your", as in "your crack pipe".

    It's "you're", as in "you're dumb as a bag of hammers".

    Grammar and spelling lessons are like water off a duck's back with this
    guy...

  18. drydem said:

    One of the obstacles with regard to using a bicycle in my town is
    that the local shopping centers forbid them. When I asked one of
    the shopping center's management for the reason they're ban
    bicycles from their property, they told me that their insurance
    requires it.

    They figure that cyclists would only spend peanuts, so they are not
    their priority. I'd try though not to feed them in any way. Just go
    with the ones that take you into account. Boycott is a great thing!

  19. Bill Sornson said:

    donquijote1954 wrote:

    Didn't you say you were leaving Usenet? (Or at least the cycling
    newsgroups?)

    I said "stop biking" as a way of getting around, but I guess I'm not
    alone in screaming that we are discriminated against. Things good
    though are happening in Paris that I doubt wil ever happen in this
    country. I guess our politicians are looking for the wrong issues,
    which regrettably mobilize the sheep...

    --How about a Congress and President with guts enough to push for
    small, economical cars, and penalizing the whoppers?--

    It makes sense but I don't see even the most liberal candidates
    talking about real solutions for the real world. The issues are at
    hand turn me off...

    Hillary: gender

    Obama: race

    and the rest are for those who don't have real solutions either but
    are against gays, abortion, etc. Anyone for bikes and small cars?

  20. (Tom Keats) said:

    DonQui just said he was quitting riding his
    bike 'cuz he couldn't hack it. But apparently
    he still fancies himself as some sort of lyric,
    all-talk/no-walk revolutionary/[censored]-disturber
    who wants other people to do his "revolution"
    for him.

    For the cyclists the choice is clear: Revolution or die! Well, there's
    another solution: get a stationary bike and work out from the comfort
    and safety of your home.

    Remember Orwell: "At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is
    a revolutionary act!"

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