help with knee problem

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i haven't really been increasing my mileage lately. it's still in the 5-20 mile range. shoes still
seem alright (visual inspection). only about 250-270 miles on them. i try to run on both sides of
the road. so i don't know what it could be that's causing this problem.

i think it's a combination of hills and speed.

I think you're on the right track -- trying to find out what makes it flare up and address it. These
sort of intermittent aches aren't uncommon, especially when you're trying to push the envelope.

They are injury precursors, so when this sort of thing happens, it's a sign that it's time to back
off for a little while. How long ? A week ? A month ? It depends. Whatever works.

You said it flares up with hills and speed. What proportion of your training is either hill or speed
work ? It may be a good idea to de-emphasise the speed work for a little while and just maintain
your base. That way you will be able to rest in a way that doesn't hurt your performance (you should
be able to recover speed fairly quickly if a base is maintained).

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so, i'm wondering what this flower is? should i let it wither away by itself or should i nip it in
the bud? any suggestions/advice would be very much appreciated.

Not sure I understand the question. If easy running doesn't cause any pain, then I don't see any
reason to take an all-out rest. A short layoff may be a good idea, but if you're not feeling at all
overtrained, then there's probably no need for it.

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especially when you're trying to push the envelope.

Less than 20 mpw is 'pushing the envelope'? Only if it's the sort of envelope you get in toytown
post office sets.

Jobs, this whole disaster is your own bloody fault for missing football. It's God's way of
suggesting that you don't waste your life watching 'Everest' movies.

Roger.

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especially when you're trying to push the envelope.

Less than 20 mpw is 'pushing the envelope'? Only if it's the sort of envelope you get in toytown
post office sets.

The stress associated with training, and the injury risk that comes with it is not just a function
of milage.

HTH,
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Donovan Rebbechi said:

I think you're on the right track -- trying to find out what makes it flare up and address it.
These sort of intermittent aches aren't uncommon, especially when you're trying to push the
envelope.

i'm not sure i'm even close to pushing the envelope. i don't think i have increased my mileage or
speed or anything else..

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You said it flares up with hills and speed. What proportion of your training is either hill or
speed work ?

i have yet to immerse myself in formal speed work. the only speed workouts i get are from
playing soccer.

hill work - again, i don't do any formal hill work. it just happens that some sections of my routes
are hilly.

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If easy running doesn't cause any pain, then I don't see any reason to take an all-out rest.

i'm trying to think along the same lines but it's kind of frustrating. today was supposed to be a 5
miler but i didn't go. will try tomorrow.

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A short layoff may be a good idea, but if you're not feeling at all overtrained, then there's
probably no need for it.

so, you don't think it's ITB or other such terrifying injuries?

thanks donovan.

jobs

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Jobs, this whole disaster is your own bloody fault for missing football. It's God's way of
suggesting that you don't waste your life watching 'Everest' movies.

you know, roger, you might be right to some extent...

i have not been playing football regularly in the last 3/4 months. football used to give me a
good workout and all those twists and shouts and stops and turns probably produced a lot of
beneficial stress which helped my systems. i shall endeavor to get back on the field once i'm
feeling well again.

for now, i'll just take it easy, take some inspiration from pink floyd and "hang on in quiet
desperation in an english way."

jobs

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for now, i'll just take it easy, take some inspiration from pink floyd and "hang on in quiet
desperation in an english way."

I can't help with the knee issue BUT ... If you haven't heard Luther Wright and the Wrong's version
of The Wall (Rebuild the Wall), you should. Hopefully, a library near you should have a copy. You'll
have to trust me on this one. It's kept me amused on many a long run - with no music machinery. It's
much better than the reggae version of Dark Side of the Moon, IMHO.

Layne

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so, you don't think it's ITB or other such terrifying injuries?

The IT band runs from the hip to the outside of the knee. If it's an ITB problem the pain would be
felt on the outside of the knee. I've had slight ITB problems in the past, and I do specific ITB
stretches as part of my stretching technique - whenever there's an ITB problem on the knee, I can
feel it during the stretch. See www.nismat.org/ptcor/itb_stretch/ for more info and stretches.

If it's "runner's knee" that can be caused by relatively weak quadricep muscles. I've been there
also, and I do leg-raises to strengthen the quads as part of my stretches and often when I'm sitting
at my desk.

Good luck,

Anthony.

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I can't help with the knee issue BUT ... If you haven't heard Luther

Wright

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and the Wrong's version of The Wall (Rebuild the Wall), you should. Hopefully, a library near you
should have a copy. You'll have to trust me

on

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this one. It's kept me amused on many a long run - with no music

machinery.

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It's much better than the reggae version of Dark Side of the Moon, IMHO.

Anthony <[email hidden]> wrote: ...

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See www.nismat.org/ptcor/itb_stretch/ for more info and stretches.

thanks for the link, anthony. i took a quick peek. i'll check it out later.

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If it's "runner's knee" that can be caused by relatively weak quadricep muscles. I've been there
also, and I do leg-raises to strengthen the quads as part of my stretches and often when I'm
sitting at my desk.

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Good luck,

thanks for the input. i appreciate it.

regards jobs

Layne Wallace said:

I can't help with the knee issue BUT ... If you haven't heard Luther Wright and the Wrong's
version of The Wall (Rebuild the Wall), you should.

hi layne i'll try to check that out.

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Hopefully, a library near you should have a copy. You'll have to trust me on this one. It's kept
me amused on many a long run - with no music machinery. It's much better than the reggae version
of Dark Side of the Moon, IMHO.

will have to check that out too.

thanks jobs

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especially when you're trying to push the envelope.

Less than 20 mpw is 'pushing the envelope'? Only if it's the sort of envelope you get in toytown
post office sets.

it is still 20 mpw more than you push except to the cupboard from the computer fat [censored].