Carbon fibre frame

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Hello All
I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get

worse

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and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I

am

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going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.

rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion. If it's
bad, the fork can at least be replaced.

On Jun 11, 6:18 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

Hello All
I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get

worse

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and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I

am

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going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.

rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion. If it's
bad, the fork can at least be replaced.

Take a to a shop to have it inspected. If its minor like a chip in the
clearcoat, then apply clear nail polish. Have it checked out!

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

Hello All
I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get

worse

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and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I

am

Quoted message said:

going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.

rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion.

unless you post on psychic wednesday.

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If it's
bad, the fork can at least be replaced.

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jim beam said:

Callistus Valerius said:

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Hello All I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre
frame. I was cleaning it yesterday and noticed that the end of one
of the front forks is a bit damaged. The end of the fork is
showing a black material which I think is the inside of the frame.
The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms. It doesn't look
to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse and
lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
ideas? I am going to get it checked in the next couple of days and
I will not ride it until I work out if the experts think it is a
problem.

rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion.

unless you post on psychic wednesday.

Too bad he posted on Monday!

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Joseph said:

Hello All
I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.

Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
Cut the damaged fork into pieces.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

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Joseph said:

Hello All
I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.

Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
Cut the damaged fork into pieces.

you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
sufficiently. and they don't.

Michael Press said:

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Joseph said:

Hello All
I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.

Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
Cut the damaged fork into pieces.

....and saute them in butter and shallots. Deglaze with white wine.

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jim beam said:

Michael Press said:

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Joseph said:

Hello All
I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.

Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
Cut the damaged fork into pieces.

you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
sufficiently. and they don't.

Yes I can, and I did.
There is only one answer to a vague description of a
funny looking carbon fibre fork.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

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jim beam said:

Michael Press said:

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"Joseph" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Hello All
> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
Cut the damaged fork into pieces.

you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
sufficiently. and they don't.

Yes I can, and I did.

not credibly.

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There is only one answer to a vague description of a
funny looking carbon fibre fork.

so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.

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jim beam said:

Michael Press said:

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jim beam said:

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <[email hidden]>,
> "Joseph" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Hello All
>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>
you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
sufficiently. and they don't.

Yes I can, and I did.

not credibly.

You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
matter.

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There is only one answer to a vague description of a
funny looking carbon fibre fork.

so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.

You talk like prejudice is a bad thing. How about you
think outside your own? Do you think Joseph should ride
that fork?

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

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jim beam said:

Michael Press said:

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jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article
>> <[email hidden]>,
>> "Joseph" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All
>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>>
> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
> sufficiently. and they don't.
Yes I can, and I did.

not credibly.

You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
matter.

indeed!

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There is only one answer to a vague description of a
funny looking carbon fibre fork.

so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.

You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.

cite an example where it's useful in engineering!

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How about you
think outside your own?

i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.

Quoted message said:

Do you think Joseph should ride
that fork?

i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
to decipher that something so non-descriptive.

whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
clouding your judgment.

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jim beam said:

Michael Press said:

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jim beam said:

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <[email hidden]>,
> jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <[email hidden]>,
>>> "Joseph" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All
>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was
>>>> cleaning
>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a
>>>> bit
>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think
>>>> is
>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few
>>>> mms.
>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
>>>> worse
>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
>>>> ideas? I am
>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride
>>>> it
>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>>>
>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
>> sufficiently. and they don't.
> Yes I can, and I did.
not credibly.

You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
matter.

indeed!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.

You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.

cite an example where it's useful in engineering!

Quoted message said:

How about you
think outside your own?

i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.

Quoted message said:

Do you think Joseph should ride
that fork?

i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
to decipher that something so non-descriptive.

whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
clouding your judgment.

No, I have not prejudged. A damaged carbon fibre
component is suspect and if it is as critical as a fork
must not be ridden. This is a widely accepted
engineering judgment.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

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jim beam said:

Michael Press said:

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jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article
>> <[email hidden]>,
>> jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <[email hidden]>,
>>>> "Joseph" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All
>>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was
>>>>> cleaning
>>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a
>>>>> bit
>>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think
>>>>> is
>>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few
>>>>> mms.
>>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
>>>>> worse
>>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
>>>>> ideas? I am
>>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride
>>>>> it
>>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
>>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>>>>
>>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
>>> sufficiently. and they don't.
>> Yes I can, and I did.
> not credibly.
You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
matter.

indeed!

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>> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
>> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
> so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.

cite an example where it's useful in engineering!

Quoted message said:

How about you
think outside your own?

i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.

Quoted message said:

Do you think Joseph should ride
that fork?

i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
to decipher that something so non-descriptive.

whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
clouding your judgment.

No, I have not prejudged. A damaged carbon fibre
component is suspect and if it is as critical as a fork
must not be ridden. This is a widely accepted
engineering judgment.

but the point is that we don't know enough to make any judgment
whatsoever, whether we try to masquerade it as "widely accepted" or not!!!

reality of the situation is, if it were /that/ badly damaged, it would
have failed. especially with composite. since all we have is a report
that /excludes/ any incident of cause but /includes/ comment implying
that it's still working, followed by a really terrible description of
"the problem", the best you can say is "get it inspected" or "post
pics". other than that, only psychic powers will reveal more.
especially since the op has not obliged with even verbal response, let
alone anything visual.

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jim beam said:

Michael Press said:

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jim beam said:

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <[email hidden]>,
> jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <[email hidden]>,
>>> jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <[email hidden]>,
>>>>> "Joseph" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello All
>>>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was
>>>>>> cleaning
>>>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few
>>>>>> mms.
>>>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
>>>>>> worse
>>>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
>>>>>> ideas? I am
>>>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>>>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
>>>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>>>>>
>>>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
>>>> sufficiently. and they don't.
>>> Yes I can, and I did.
>> not credibly.
> You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
> matter.
indeed!

>>> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
>>> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
>> so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
> You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.
cite an example where it's useful in engineering!

> How about you
> think outside your own?
i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.

> Do you think Joseph should ride
> that fork?
>
i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
to decipher that something so non-descriptive.

whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
clouding your judgment.

No, I have not prejudged. A damaged carbon fibre
component is suspect and if it is as critical as a fork
must not be ridden. This is a widely accepted
engineering judgment.

but the point is that we don't know enough to make any judgment
whatsoever, whether we try to masquerade it as "widely accepted" or not!!!

reality of the situation is, if it were /that/ badly damaged, it would
have failed. especially with composite. since all we have is a report
that /excludes/ any incident of cause but /includes/ comment implying
that it's still working, followed by a really terrible description of
"the problem", the best you can say is "get it inspected" or "post
pics". other than that, only psychic powers will reveal more.
especially since the op has not obliged with even verbal response, let
alone anything visual.

If it were Al or steel I would still recommend not
riding it until it were examined by a mechanic. You
tell somebody you do not know whose fork you have not
examined that it is alright to ride.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

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Michael Press said:

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jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article
>> <[email hidden]>,
>> jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <[email hidden]>,
>>>> jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <[email hidden]>,
>>>>>> "Joseph" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello All
>>>>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was
>>>>>>> cleaning
>>>>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few
>>>>>>> mms.
>>>>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
>>>>>>> worse
>>>>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
>>>>>>> ideas? I am
>>>>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>>>>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
>>>>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>>>>>>
>>>>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
>>>>> sufficiently. and they don't.
>>>> Yes I can, and I did.
>>> not credibly.
>> You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
>> matter.
> indeed!
>
>
>>>> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
>>>> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
>>> so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
>> You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.
> cite an example where it's useful in engineering!
>
>> How about you
>> think outside your own?
> i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.
>
>
>> Do you think Joseph should ride
>> that fork?
>>
> i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
> quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
> hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
> to decipher that something so non-descriptive.
>
> whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
> destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
> clouding your judgment.
No, I have not prejudged. A damaged carbon fibre
component is suspect and if it is as critical as a fork
must not be ridden. This is a widely accepted
engineering judgment.

but the point is that we don't know enough to make any judgment
whatsoever, whether we try to masquerade it as "widely accepted" or not!!!

reality of the situation is, if it were /that/ badly damaged, it would
have failed. especially with composite. since all we have is a report
that /excludes/ any incident of cause but /includes/ comment implying
that it's still working, followed by a really terrible description of
"the problem", the best you can say is "get it inspected" or "post
pics". other than that, only psychic powers will reveal more.
especially since the op has not obliged with even verbal response, let
alone anything visual.

If it were Al or steel I would still recommend not
riding it until it were examined by a mechanic.

which is what you should say here too. instead you told them to discard
and destroy.

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You
tell somebody you do not know whose fork you have not
examined that it is alright to ride.

no, don't put words in my mouth.

callistus said:

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rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion.

to which i replied:

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unless you post on psychic wednesday.

i wouldn't have thought that /too/ obscure.